US threatens to annex Greenland - 2025/2026

  • #101
Trump called himself "a big fan of Denmark," but he also said "that just because you arrived by boat 500 years ago doesn't mean you own the country."
Then take your minions and go back to Europe, Trump. Native Americans will be happy.
 
  • #102
Then take your minions and go back to Europe, Trump. Native Americans will be happy.
Please, no 😩

But seriously, good point.
 
  • #103
Trump called himself "a big fan of Denmark," but he also said "that just because you arrived by boat 500 years ago doesn't mean you own the country."
Coff coff Mayflower coff coff.
 
  • #104
If America invades Greenland by force, what does everyone think happens as a result?
 
  • #105
If America invades Greenland by force, what does everyone think happens as a result?
Technically, NATO is supposed to come to their defense, minus the USA in this case of course. I really don't know though! All I know is that the USA already has a military post in Greenland. They have even closed down several others over the years there). So of course their prez is after more than that, resources (oil,gas,rare earth elements) & satisfaction of his massive ego. IMO.
 
  • #106
Technically, NATO is supposed to come to their defense, minus the USA of course. I really don't know though! All I know is that the USA already has military posted in Greenland. So of course their prez is after more than that, resources & satisfaction of his massive ego. IMO.
But USA is part of NATO. Are there provisions if a NATO country attacks another NATO country??

jmo
 
  • #107
But USA is part of NATO. Are there provisions if a NATO country attacks another NATO country??

jmo
Good question! I think they never really thought that scenario would happen!!! I'm guessing they may've discussed that privately now, at least I hope so! As a Canadian, we seem to be on the back burner in the prez's sights these days, but if I was a Greenlander I would be feeling anxious.
 
  • #108
If America invades Greenland by force, what does everyone think happens as a result?
I don't know. Possibly isolate the USA. Impose strong sanctions against them and send all of the American ambassadors back to the USA. Does Canada dare turn off all of the electric power to the US? At this point I trust China more than the USA. Sad but true.
 
  • #109
Good question! I think they never really thought that scenario would happen!!! I'm guessing they may've discussed that privately now, at least I hope so! As a Canadian, we seem to be on the back burner in the prez's sights these days, but if I was a Greenlander I would be feeling anxious.
Oh Trump is not going to stop at Greenland. Definitely not. He will go after the Panama Canal, Colombia, etc. ... and eventually Canada if he's not stopped.
 
  • #110
Trump called himself "a big fan of Denmark," but he also said "that just because you arrived by boat 500 years ago doesn't mean you own the country."
That is ironic as the main and lasting wave of European settlers to North America "arrived by boat 500 years ago."

Going deep into historical trivia, Viking explorers from Europe and Inuit people from Canada arrived in Greenland at relatively the same time in the historical sense (Inuit beat the Vikings by 200 years). The initial Vikings, however, later died out.
 
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  • #111
Oh Trump is not going to stop at Greenland. Definitely not. He will go after the Panama Canal, Colombia, etc. ... and eventually Canada if he's not stopped.
Just saw this article from today. Sounds like a plan on part of NATO to appease Trump, it is actually a well played comeback. MSN I mean, let's see if it really is about his military worries solely.
 
  • #112
  • #113
If America invades Greenland by force, what does everyone think happens as a result?
Some European leaders have threatened to seize US military bases in Europe if there's an invasion.
 
  • #114
Some European leaders have threatened to seize US military bases in Europe if there's an invasion.
That might not bother Trump at all. In the end, he is a dedicated isolationist and might be looking for an excuse to just withdraw from NATO.
 
  • #115
But USA is part of NATO. Are there provisions if a NATO country attacks another NATO country??

jmo
According to the NATO website, If a NATO country attacks another, Article 5 is invoked. The first bullet point in Article 5 states that an attack on one is considered an attack on all. Article 5 also states that any Sate that is the victim of an armed attack has the inherent right to individual or collective self-defense.

NATO involved Article 5 for the first and only time in its history after 9/11.

NATO.INT - Collective Defense and Article 5
  • Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty states that an armed attack against one NATO member shall be considered an attack against all members, and triggers an obligation for each member to come to its assistance.
  • This assistance may or may not involve the use of armed force, and can include any action that Allies deem necessary to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
  • NATO’s Article 5 is consistent with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which recognises that a state that is the victim of an armed attack has the inherent right to individual or collective self-defence, and may request others to come to its assistance. Within the NATO context, Article 5 translates this right of self-defense into a mutual assistance obligation.
  • NATO invoked Article 5 for the first and only time in its history after the 9/11 terrorist attacks against the United States in 2001.
  • While Article 5 itself has been applied only once, it underpins all of NATO’s broader activities in the field of deterrence and defense, including the regular conduct of military exercises and the deployment of NATO’s standing military forces.
  • NATO takes a 360-degree approach to collective defense, protecting against all threats from all directions.
 
  • #116
According to the NATO website, If a NATO country attacks another, Article 5 is invoked. The first bullet point in Article 5 states that an attack on one is considered an attack on all. Article 5 also states that any Sate that is the victim of an armed attack has the inherent right to individual or collective self-defense.

NATO involved Article 5 for the first and only time in its history after 9/11.

NATO.INT - Collective Defense and Article 5
  • Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty states that an armed attack against one NATO member shall be considered an attack against all members, and triggers an obligation for each member to come to its assistance.
  • This assistance may or may not involve the use of armed force, and can include any action that Allies deem necessary to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
  • NATO’s Article 5 is consistent with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which recognises that a state that is the victim of an armed attack has the inherent right to individual or collective self-defence, and may request others to come to its assistance. Within the NATO context, Article 5 translates this right of self-defense into a mutual assistance obligation.
  • NATO invoked Article 5 for the first and only time in its history after the 9/11 terrorist attacks against the United States in 2001.
  • While Article 5 itself has been applied only once, it underpins all of NATO’s broader activities in the field of deterrence and defense, including the regular conduct of military exercises and the deployment of NATO’s standing military forces.
  • NATO takes a 360-degree approach to collective defense, protecting against all threats from all directions.
Does that specifically include a fellow NATO member as the attacker or does is assume the attack would be from a non-NATO member?

It makes no sense it would be consider attack against ALL since it wouldn't be an attack against USA if USA is the attacker.

I think they would first have to kick USA out of NATO before taking united action.

jmo
 
  • #117
Does that specifically include a fellow NATO member as the attacker or does is assume the attack would be from a non-NATO member?

It makes no sense it would be consider attack against ALL since it wouldn't be an attack against USA if USA is the attacker.
Yes it specifically states if one NATO member attacks another, it’s viewed as an attack on all, minus the aggressor.

However Article 5 has no predetermined definition of what 'help' is.

You could argue some stern words denouncing America’s actions to the U.N. could be considered 'help'. So could a trade embargo, removal of US military bases, and the dissolution of NATO as we know it.

Britain will never help the US invade Greenland

UK Defence Secretary John Healy replied
“[…]so far as the UK’s support for any nation with any military action, we will do so if the purpose is correct and if the legal basis is sound.”

On Jan 6th, Britain, France, Germany and other European allies joined forces also shared a joint statement


All these strongly worded statements come across as a polite way of saying ‘we won't come to defend Greenland if the US decides to press the invasion command’
 
  • #118
Yes it specifically states if one NATO member attacks another, it’s viewed as an attack on all, minus the aggressor.

However Article 5 has no predetermined definition of what 'help' is.

You could argue some stern words denouncing America’s actions to the U.N. could be considered 'help'. So could a trade embargo, removal of US military bases, and the dissolution of NATO as we know it.

Britain will never help the US invade Greenland



On Jan 6th, Britain, France, Germany and other European allies joined forces also shared a joint statement


All these strongly worded statements come across as a polite way of saying ‘we won't come to defend Greenland if the US decides to press the invasion command’
 
  • #119
I think that NATO members will support Greenland from everything that I've been reading tonight online. I don't think they counted on one of their members threatening to invade another member though, so that wasn't covered in their rules. Let's just hope it doesn't come to that. Getting late though so g'night all!
 
  • #120
All these strongly worded statements come across as a polite way of saying ‘we won't come to defend Greenland if the US decides to press the invasion command’

Which part exactly points to that?
 

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