VA - Virginia Tech Shooting, 32 murdered, 23 injured, 16 April 2007

  • #601
Has anybody read or heard anything about Seung-Hui's family or people who knew him growing up? The descriptions of his withdrawn behavior and the violent plays he wrote suggest that his family life was far from ideal. I am curious if anybody knew him to be abused or, at the least, emotional neglected by his parents. The one play has a boy, mother and stepfather, with implications of sexual and physical abuse. Was Sung-Hui relating his own experiences? I haven't heard anything on the media that addresses his family life.

Cypros,

Just this morning scrolling across the bottom of the screen on FOX News I saw a little blurb about the family. It said that Cho's family lives in a slum in Soule(sp?) Korea. It said that they live in a small basement apartment. I am confused about that. Maybe it meant before they came to America when He was 8? Or did he come with other family members? I heard something yesterday that said that his family owned a Dry Cleaners in Centreville,VA. I am surprised that the media has not gone to the Dry Cleaners yet. Things are just not clear yet as far as his family goes.
 
  • #602
Where have you seen information about his parents? I have been watching and reading the news for two days and have found no mention of his family. The only thing about his life before VT that I have learned was that he went to the same high school as two of his victims. This was in another Virginia town (can't remember the name) that has a relatively high number of Asians.

Fox News

Several times on Fox...

They have shown their home, a condominium in a nice row of homes joined together...

They talked with neighbors... His parents were described as always smiling and quiet...but friendly. They helped a pregnant neighbor one time with a problem....
 
  • #603
about the victim seen in one of the first photos after the shooting. It was the photo of the the four policemen carrying a wounded student. It could easily be seen that he was shot in the leg. His name is Kevin Sterne. He is from my area. He will be graduating form VT in May. I'm fairly close to Blacksburg and alot of the kids from here go to either VT or WVU. In fact my sister, a high school senior, just got a full ride to WVU....and now I'm scared to death for her. Silly, I know.....but I just can't even imagine.....anyway, back to Kevin.
There was a write up in our local paper...his dad was giving us some news.
He was one of the students who helped block one of the classroom doors after the shooter left. He had been shot twice....once in the leg and once in the hip. One shot severed an artery....but he was a boyscout and new to put a tournicate(sp?) on his leg to stop the bleeding. The doctors said it my have not only saved his life but his leg too. He was lucky...the three students around him were dead. He managed to pull himself over to the door to help block the shooter from coming back. A girl who helped block the door with him was shot through the door in the left hand. Both are recovering nicley. His dad said that the hospital staff has been so wonderful. They helped the family find a place to stay as all of the hotels in the area are full. A minister took them in.
Here's a link to that story:

http://www.times-news.com/local/local_story_108092442.html


Prayers to all of those still recovering and to the falmilies of the ones not coming home.

Off topic:
On a side note....other news in our area is the Barton coal miners that are trapped under 70 feet of dirt. Barton is about 15 minutes up the road. Please keep these miners in your prayers. They still haven't got to them yet.

Link about coal miners:
http://www.times-news.com/local/local_story_107115422.html

Our little small town paper is thicker today than it has been for a long time.


Just thought you guys would want to know who the student in that now famous picture is doing. I just can't imagine how his parents kept it together for the ride down there.
 
  • #604
Cyprus,

Just this morning scrolling across the bottom of the screen on FOX News I saw a little blurb about the family. It said that Cho's family lives in a slum in Soule(sp?) Korea. It said that they live in a small basement apartment. I am confused about that. Maybe it meant before they came to America when He was 8? Or did he come with other family members? I heard something yesterday that said that his family owned a Dry Cleaners in Centreville,VA. I am surprised that the media has not gone to the Dry Cleaners yet. Things are just not clear yet as far as his family goes.

Fox said the 'run' a drycleaning business. I have never heard them say that they own it, but they may very well own it as well.

Reporters have gone to their home here and talked with neighbors and interviewed them. One guy who knows them was sitting in his car as he was interviewed and said that as a child Cho stayed inside the home most of his childhood as he remembered it... He didn't interact much and seemed very shy.
 
  • #605
Fox News

Several times on Fox...

They have shown their home, a condominium in a nice row of homes joined together...

They talked with neighbors... His parents were described as always smiling and quiet...but friendly. They helped a pregnant neighbor one time with a problem....

Thanks for that information angelwngs. Fox News. .. that explains why I haven't seen the reports.
 
  • #606
I have enough books and papers and visual aids to lug across campus to classes every day to then also have to carry an extra walkie talkie device (which I would have to keep charged, I assume) with me in the remote chance that someone on campus may go postal. It is also unrealistic to expect colleges to have code drills and to have students learn the code system at orientation. They are taxed enough to grasp the basics of campus life -- location of classes, rules of conduct, student ID, getting to know new dorm mates, new teachers, newfound freedom -- I doubt that a complex code system would make much of an impression.

While I do think that attention must be given to security issues and that there ARE things that can be done to more effectively respond to such situations, there is also a limit. If we are going to live in a free society then we have to accept that sometimes terrible things happen. There is no way to prevent the occasional travesty without becoming a militarized police state -- and I have no desire to be a part of such a state. Those who do might consider moving to Israel where every entrance to every public building has a bomb check, the universities are manned like fortresses, soldiers with uzzis patrol every public square and street, and every gradeschooler is trained to notice and report suspicious objects and people -- and yet still suicide bombers manage to make their way into public spaces to kill innocent victims.

I go to a uniersity in VA and we do have fire drills once a semester in each Hall not all at the same time mind you, but each Hall at least once a semester. The fire code says we have to usually the teachers know in advance but even in the smaller Halls there is still a large grouping of students on the lawn during the drill. Also it's not like highschool teachers don't take attendance. Some classes have a few hundred people in them and nobody goes and checks in with the teacher during the drill. Fact is if you are at a university they feel you are an adult and don't need to be tracked by teachers while on campus. Back to the start, I am sure they had fire drills as well because it's a VA state code. Also I thought they said the bomb threats were unrelated. I was just wondering does anyone know his GPA? Graduation is just a few weeks away. I know our exams start next Wed., and as much as I hate to say it; I always worry at this point in the semester that someone who is not doing well is going to loose it.
 
  • #607
Fox said the 'run' a drycleaning business. I have never heard them say that they own it, but they may very well own it as well.

Reporters have gone to their home here and talked with neighbors and interviewed them. One guy who knows them was sitting in his car as he was interviewed and said that as a child Cho stayed inside the home most of his childhood as he remembered it... He didn't interact much and seemed very shy.

Angelwings, I may have been mistaken in saying they owned the business. I honestly don't know which was said.:innocent:
I have seen the interview with the neighbor that you mentioned also which is why I am confused about what I saw this morning about the family living in the basement apt in Soule,Korea. I guess that we will just have to wait for more information to come out about the family to know for sure. :)
 
  • #608
  • #609
Angelwings, I may have been mistaken in saying they owned the business. I honestly don't know which was said.:innocent:
I have seen the interview with the neighbor that you mentioned also which is why I am confused about what I saw this morning about the family living in the basement apt in Soule,Korea. I guess that we will just have to wait for more information to come out about the family to know for sure. :)

I guess growin up in his 'formative years' 0-5 in the slums of Soule, Korea, if this is true, could very well explain Cho's serious issues with 'rich kids' in America... Even though they apprently moved to America, providing Cho with much better living conditions, he apparently still felt deeply unworthy and as if he did not 'fit in' and never fully appreciated the fact that his parents afforded him a much higher standard of living in America than he once had in Soule........

So very sad.... What a tortured mind this young man had and rather than someone, some where, identifying the severe problems and being able to legally force Cho to seek treatment, OUR LAWS protected Cho from being forced to get the intense treatment he needed.....
 
  • #610
Heard about the photographing?

Students described Cho's descent from campus oddball to chilling loner with a loathing for "rich kids" as he began secretly photographing pupils in class, started going to the gym to "beef up" and had a military-style haircut.
It emerged today that at one stage students were so scared of his behaviour that only seven out of 70 turned up for class, forcing lecturers to give him one-to-one tuition.
One teacher even suggested today he was given A grades because he was so "intimidating and staff wanted to keep him happy".
Nikki Giovanni, who teaches poetry, said she threatened to resign if Cho was not taken out of her class. She said: "I think he liked the idea he was a scary guy. Some people like that. That is how they define themselves. Kids write about murder and suicide all the time. But there was something that made us all pay attention closely.
"Students absolutely would not come into class. They said, 'He is taking photographs of us. We don't know what he is doing. It is very strange'."


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...nts+lived+in+fear+of+campus+gunman/article.do

I missed the part about him taking pictures of people without permission.
 
  • #611
Heard about the photographing?

Students described Cho's descent from campus oddball to chilling loner with a loathing for "rich kids" as he began secretly photographing pupils in class, started going to the gym to "beef up" and had a military-style haircut.
It emerged today that at one stage students were so scared of his behaviour that only seven out of 70 turned up for class, forcing lecturers to give him one-to-one tuition.
One teacher even suggested today he was given A grades because he was so "intimidating and staff wanted to keep him happy".
Nikki Giovanni, who teaches poetry, said she threatened to resign if Cho was not taken out of her class. She said: "I think he liked the idea he was a scary guy. Some people like that. That is how they define themselves. Kids write about murder and suicide all the time. But there was something that made us all pay attention closely.
"Students absolutely would not come into class. They said, 'He is taking photographs of us. We don't know what he is doing. It is very strange'."

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...nts+lived+in+fear+of+campus+gunman/article.do

I missed the part about him taking pictures of people without permission.

Now that is weird. That sounds like something someone with schizophrenia would do. I have a relative who did the same sort of thing. She photographed "bad people". She never killed anyone though. :(
 
  • #612
Has anyone found his My Space page yet?
 
  • #613
The CNN link I posted a bit ago covers the photo taking, PrayersForMaura. ;)
 
  • #614
The CNN link I posted a bit ago covers the photo taking, PrayersForMaura. ;)

Sorry. there's just so much to read, isn't there? :blushing:
 
  • #615
i disagree 100% with you guys who are saying those violent video games are no big deal-- they are SICK. at least, much of what i have seen is really sick. it's all about shooting and killing, and shooting to kill as many people as you possibly can. and you're going to tell me that's not going to do something negative, on some level, to a kid's mind? if they spend HOURS doing this every day?? sorry, i do not buy it. just because it's so common now, and your kids do it, their kids do it, everyone else's kids do it.. does NOT make it OK or healthy. we as a nation are in serious denial about this and one of these days we are going to have to WAKE UP. NO.. video games do not "make you a killer" (duh, and double-duh). i never said that and if you think i'm saying that then you are missing the point entirely. i am saying there is a definite correlation to these psycho young people who go on shooting rampages and the violent video games. for those who are already mentally unstable, and anti-social, it's just going to exacerbate their problems, their disassociation with reality, their violent tendencies, their distorted sense of reality, 'good vs. evil' mentality.. AND it significantly reduces their time spent gaining important REAL-LIFE SOCIAL SKILLS.. which is so crucial especially at a young age. so.. no, there's nothing you can say to convince me that letting your kids play hours upon hours of these violent games is a good thing. parents just let their kids do it because we are such a permissive society, and 'all the kids do it'.. so nobodfy wants to be the 'bad uncool parent' who says NO to these games.

anyway.. we don't know yet is there was a correlation with this guy and obsessive gaming.. but just wait, i'm sure it will come out... once they review his computer. he fits the typical profile exactly.

I have read that Cho's 'high school friends' have said that he did in fact spend most of his free time playing Counterstrike. Hopefully, the computer he used in high school is still available for testing its hard drive.

Dateline or 60 Minutes or 20/20 did a show about gaming and discussed how similar games as Counterstrike and WOW are used in military training. These games were obviously something, as a parent, with which I did NOT want my own son to be obcessed, but he already was. Indeed, he was totally obcessed and addicted to them.

My son spent every spare minute in his own room playing Counterstrike in highschool and then he progressed to WOW, (World of Warcraft).

During this same timeframe, I spent countless hours reading, viewing and messageboarding on the subject of crime......

It was very difficult to justify my concerns to my son over his computer gaming practices, when he constantly came back to me and suggested that my obcession and addictive interest in crime investigation was equally as disturbing and possibly equally as desensitizing as were his gaming practices. My son also brought up the negative physical damage that I was doing to myself by smoking cigarettes, as I practiced my own 'hobbies'.

After taking a close look at ourselves, we both decided to greatly altered our free time exposure to negative hobbies and addictions.

My son lost 50 pounds, is very active socially, enjoys fishing, basketball, weightlifting, golf and baseball. He has gotten his 'act together' so to speak.

I, myself on the otherhand, started back smoking, came back to the internet, the library, and the television...and rarely involve myself with social activities outside the home...

In my home, it is my 50 year old bootey that needs to get a grip and reconsider my options of how best to spend my free time...

Thanks reb, for making me see the light, once again!

I just got off the phone with my son, mentioned above, and told him how very proud I am of him. I read him a quote from the other thread about Cho's violent actions which stated that classmates had their pictures taken by him and that they and his teachers FEARED Cho. I reminded my, now college age, son to always TRUST his own GOOD, SOUND, GOD GIVEN inner voice when it comes to WEIRD people in his own college classes and in life in general. I thanked my son for being a better role model for me today than I, myself, have recently been for him.

I told him that I am now getting up from this computer and taking our dog, Katie outside for a LONG, Healthy walk! I promised to try very, very hard to once again turn the tables and to once again become the more positive role model for him that I should have always been...

Later, Folks... See You on the Flip Side...............
 
  • #616
I go to a uniersity in VA and we do have fire drills once a semester in each Hall not all at the same time mind you, but each Hall at least once a semester. The fire code says we have to usually the teachers know in advance but even in the smaller Halls there is still a large grouping of students on the lawn during the drill. Also it's not like highschool teachers don't take attendance. Some classes have a few hundred people in them and nobody goes and checks in with the teacher during the drill. Fact is if you are at a university they feel you are an adult and don't need to be tracked by teachers while on campus. Back to the start, I am sure they had fire drills as well because it's a VA state code. Also I thought they said the bomb threats were unrelated. I was just wondering does anyone know his GPA? Graduation is just a few weeks away. I know our exams start next Wed., and as much as I hate to say it; I always worry at this point in the semester that someone who is not doing well is going to loose it.

My first thought when I was watching the reports on this shooting was that it was a disgruntled student unable to deal with the pressures of college. Whenever I have to fail a student or submit an academic integrity report (usually due to plagiarism) I worry that the student may want to get revenge. We have an amazing number of unstable students on campus these days. Apparently nobody can be denied an education -- even if they are not emotionally or intellectually capable.

In January, a student enrolled in one of my classes was arrested for involvement in a shooting (off campus). I had no say about him being in my class. Fortunately, his busy schedule of meetings with lawyers and hearings caused him to miss so much class -- and I refused to make exceptions to my established rules of attendance, makeups, etc -- that he chose to drop the class. Whew!!

Fire drills are a completely different thing from the complex code system some people are suggesting be adopted by universities. I think we all are familiar with fire drills and just about every large complex -- businesses and institutions -- conduct fire drills so that everybody knows the fastest route out of a building. However, in the 5 years that I have taught at my current university, I cannot remember a single fire drill. In do have recollections of fire drills while a university student -- and one false alarm right in the middle of Finals!!

I do think that universities should have some kind of notification system in place to promptly inform people in the case of emergency. Emails and text messages are insufficient as they are hidden and may not be checked until too late. A speaker system is ideal, but if no already in place, would be tremendously expensive. I still think that the use of an automatic call sent out to all campus phone extensions would be the most efficient way to get word to the majority of people on campus. Emails and text messages could help to notify some of those who are commuting in from off campus.
 
  • #617
I heard on something where someone who knew him said that when he heard the shooter was "Asian", he said his first thought was that it was Cho. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Now THAT is TELLING!!!
 
  • #618
ETA: Replying to Adnoid He was here legally though. I think he'd become a "naturalized citizen", but I am not certain on that. I think so, given that he was a child when he came to the country, he probably got citizenship with his parents. (If they did, and likely they did given that they operate a dry cleaner's.)
 
  • #619
ETA: Replying to Adnoid He was here legally though. I think he'd become a "naturalized citizen", but I am not certain on that. I think so, given that he was a child when he came to the country, he probably got citizenship with his parents. (If they did, and likely they did given that they operate a dry cleaner's.)

Cho was here as a legal alien, with a "green card". Don't know about his parents, but Cho was not a citizen.

ETA: I wonder if they can deport his parents now that this has happened?
 
  • #620
Now the courthouse in Blacksburg has been evacuated.
 

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
71
Guests online
999
Total visitors
1,070

Forum statistics

Threads
632,423
Messages
18,626,369
Members
243,149
Latest member
Pgc123
Back
Top