WA - 3 children, ages 13, 9 and 7, among 5 killed inside Fall City home, 15 y.o. in custody - 21 October 2024

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6/10/25

The next status conference is scheduled for Sept. 9.
The defense team has encountered additional challenges in gathering background information about the suspect.

Gestaut noted that "there is very limited school and medical records" and that "it has been difficult in some respects to obtain information from certain family.


The irony in the second paragraph, jumps out at me. He killed two of the people who knew him best.
 
  • #484

6/10/25

The next status conference is scheduled for Sept. 9.
You know these WA cases so well @Seattle1. Do you think they will try him as an adult @ 15?

It was so violent, him checking to see if they were all dead (by pulses or by their breathing) and the fact he tried to set up the younger brother as the shooter tells me he was well aware of the nature of his actions.

It's a miracle the younger sister survived thankfully, but I cannot imagine how hard and traumatic it is and will be for her to process this. :(

JMO
 
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You know these WA cases so well @Seattle1. Do you think they will try him as an adult @ 15?

It was so violent, him checking to see if they were all dead (by pulses or by their breathing) and the fact he tried to set up the younger brother as the shooter tells me he was well aware of the nature of his actions.

It's a miracle the younger sister survived thankfully, but I cannot imagine how hard and traumatic it is and will be for her to process this. :(

JMO

I believe the youth offender here will be tried as an adult. However, WA State long ago adopted the Supreme Court Miller decision prohibiting youthful offenders from serving LWOP sentences, and WA Judges have much discretion at sentencing.

For example, I recall in 2023, Gabriel Davies and Justin Yoon, both 17, robbed and murdered Davis' mother's former fiance in Orting, WA. They took plea deals for 2nd-degree murder, and sentenced to 150 months (only 12 years plus 33 months probation).

Ben Eastman, 16, of Randle, WA, was brutally murdered by Benito Marquez, 17, his best friend since age 5, and his 21-yr old brother. Ultimately, about 5 others including their mother were also charged in Ben's death.

Benito was charged as an adult, and he pled guilty to first-degree murder, first-degree rape, tampering with evidence, and unlawful disposal of remains. The prosecutor's office recommended a sentence of 413 months. Both cases are on WS and the sentences don't include the early-time release credits for good behavior, etc.



GUILTY - WA - Ben Eastman, 16, raped and murdered, Lewis County, 23 Jun 2018
 
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I believe the youth offender here will be tried as an adult. However, WA State long ago adopted the Supreme Court Miller decision prohibiting youthful offenders from serving LWOP sentences, and WA Judges have much discretion at sentencing.

For example, I recall in 2023, Gabriel Davies and Justin Yoon, both 17, robbed and murdered Davis' mother's former fiance in Orting, WA. They took plea deals for 2nd-degree murder, and sentenced to 150 months (only 12 years plus 33 months probation).

Ben Eastman, 16, of Randle, WA, was brutally murdered by Benito Marquez, 17, his best friend since age 5, and his 21-yr old brother. Ultimately, about 5 others including their mother were also charged in Ben's death.

Benito was charged as an adult, and he pled guilty to first-degree murder, first-degree rape, tampering with evidence, and unlawful disposal of remains. The prosecutor's office recommended a sentence of 413 months. Both cases are on WS and the sentences don't include the early-time release credits for good behavior, etc.



GUILTY - WA - Ben Eastman, 16, raped and murdered, Lewis County, 23 Jun 2018
Thank you @Seattle1. Wow, he could be looking at 10-12 year sentence IF found guilty. I wonder if the number and violent nature of the crimes would result in a longer sentence?
 
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IMO 10 -12 years wouldn't be long enough. Not for justice, not for the surviving sister to feel safe with him out there, and not for rehabilitation, if someone like him even could be.
 
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Thank you @Seattle1. Wow, he could be looking at 10-12 year sentence IF found guilty. I wonder if the number and violent nature of the crimes would result in a longer sentence?
The victims' lives mattered and each life worthy of 10-12 years! IMO, if convicted, he'll probably be eligible for parole after 25 years, for 5 lives. :(
 
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The victims' lives mattered and each life worthy of 10-12 years! IMO, if convicted, he'll probably be eligible for parole after 25 years, for 5 lives. :(
The cases you cited were single murders. In this case five people were brutally gunned down.

There is no way this kid would be sentenced to 10-12 years, there would be no basis for a sentence that light. Even if his parents were monsters, he killed/attempted to kill four of his siblings. Twenty five years is a light sentence.

How long do you estimate this case will take to reach a sentencing phase?
 
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IMO 10 -12 years wouldn't be long enough. Not for justice, not for the surviving sister to feel safe with him out there, and not for rehabilitation, if someone like him even could be.
Totally agree.
Wondering if the surviving sister will be key in the trial or a plea deal. I have mixed feelings on that. The only reason she is alive, as we all know, is that she acted as if she were dying and then was able to run out of the house and go to a neighbor.
I feel sure that the surviving son could certainly cause trouble -- or worse -- for her.
 
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Possibly new info in this video
 
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Claims that the family was isolated, paranoid of the government and medical professionals, and that the home was abusive, tightly controlled, and dominated by extreme religious beliefs. The documents also allege that the children were given access to firearms and raised under a “rigid, militant survivalist ideology.”

The children's maternal grandmother allegedly reported that her daughter, the 15-year-old's mother, "was abusive and demeaning to the children." She allegedly told law enforcement she threatened to report her daughter if the abuse did not stop, court documents say.
 
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Claims that the family was isolated, paranoid of the government and medical professionals, and that the home was abusive, tightly controlled, and dominated by extreme religious beliefs. The documents also allege that the children were given access to firearms and raised under a “rigid, militant survivalist ideology.”

The children's maternal grandmother allegedly reported that her daughter, the 15-year-old's mother, "was abusive and demeaning to the children." She allegedly told law enforcement she threatened to report her daughter if the abuse did not stop, court documents say.
Holy smokes, if these allegations are true, then I feel sympathy for all of the children who were forced to grow up in such a psychologically/emotionally unhealthy home—and, though I hate to admit it, my sympathy on account of this extends even to the accused murderer.

HOWEVER. I do wonder if possibly the maternal grandmother might be pulling out all the stops, so to speak, to try to save her grandson from the harshest penalties of the law. If I recall correctly, the grandmother and other relatives have previously made comments in support of this teen, so it wouldn’t shock me if there is some exaggeration in her description of the accused murderer’s home environment. Thankfully., the accused murderer’s surviving sibling should be able to corroborate or contradict the grandmother’s accounts. This article doesn’t say where she currently lives, but I hope she is somewhere safe with family members who support her— and I hope that the defense is not successful in its attempts to delay the actual trial to October 2026 because (IMO) that is too long a time for a young teenager to have to live in fear that her brother might come back and finish the job he started.
 
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Claims that the family was isolated, paranoid of the government and medical professionals, and that the home was abusive, tightly controlled, and dominated by extreme religious beliefs. The documents also allege that the children were given access to firearms and raised under a “rigid, militant survivalist ideology.”

The children's maternal grandmother allegedly reported that her daughter, the 15-year-old's mother, "was abusive and demeaning to the children." She allegedly told law enforcement she threatened to report her daughter if the abuse did not stop, court documents say.

Very interesting, but I’m still not convinced. This is coming from the defense after all.

He didnt just kill the parents, he killed all of his siblings-except for the sister who survived. Then tried to pin it on his brother. There is more to this story which needs to come out.
 
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Timing about right to blame the victims-- defense wants more time, still trying to keep the defendant out of adult court. Also doesn't explain why the defendant shot his younger siblings point blank in the face, and tried to blame his brother for the atrocities. :mad:


8/1/25
 
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The children's maternal grandmother allegedly reported that her daughter, the 15-year-old's mother, "was abusive and demeaning to the children." She allegedly told law enforcement she threatened to report her daughter if the abuse did not stop, court documents say.
^^rsbm

I think if this goes to trial, we might hear something more from this grandmother-- maybe how she was allegedly bleeding her daughter dry, threatening to sue for hourly payment as the 'nanny granny.' Instead, the victim quit her RN job and moved far away from Edmonds to the Lake to enjoy being a stay-at-home parent full-time. MOO
 
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Very interesting, but I’m still not convinced. This is coming from the defense after all.

He didnt just kill the parents, he killed all of his siblings-except for the sister who survived. Then tried to pin it on his brother. There is more to this story which needs to come out.
Agree, the job of the defense at this point is to keep their client from being tried as an adult. Lots of blaming the victims here, but that is the defense's job in a case like this. And who knows if the daughter and grandmother were estranged and the grandmother didn't like the lifestyle and/or values of the daughter and sees that as somehow abusive, same with some neighbors. Lots we don't know at this point, and I'm not ready to blame the victims.
 
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^^rsbm

I think if this goes to trial, we might hear something more from this grandmother-- maybe how she was allegedly bleeding her daughter dry, threatening to sue for hourly payment as the 'nanny granny.' Instead, the victim quit her RN job and moved far away from Edmonds to the Lake to enjoy being a stay-at-home parent full-time. MOO
Ahhh, the plot thickens. The defense is severely limited in ways to defend this kid. Vilifying the parents he murdered is disgusting, but predictable.

I hope the maternal grandmother gets everything she deserves and more, if that motive is true.
 
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Claims that the family was isolated, paranoid of the government and medical professionals, and that the home was abusive, tightly controlled, and dominated by extreme religious beliefs. The documents also allege that the children were given access to firearms and raised under a “rigid, militant survivalist ideology.”

The children's maternal grandmother allegedly reported that her daughter, the 15-year-old's mother, "was abusive and demeaning to the children." She allegedly told law enforcement she threatened to report her daughter if the abuse did not stop, court documents say.
I don't know why this article and the DM are saying their extreme religious beliefs, etc., are new news. I posted about that back in last October, almost a year ago. From my post:

family insiders told DailyMail.com that their idyllic existence had a dark side, with the ultra-religious parents imposing a strict schedule on their five children and having extremely 'high expectations' of them.
Full post with link to source if interested:

 
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Its quite possible they were terrible parents. Its no excuse, but its good if things like that are uncovered. It wouldn't absolve his criminal responsibility, imo.
 

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