NOT GUILTY WA - Parents try to kidnap daughter over forced marriage - November 3, 2024 (NG of attempted murder; Guilty of lesser charges)

[IQuestion]

I’m missing something because 9+3=12. Am I glaringly missing a point?

I believe it is "sarcasm." I think the implication is that a juror is a juror regardless of gender.

 

[IQuestion]

If it’s in the DM it is an approved source.

Thank you Luna20

Shocking new revelations about father in attempted 'honor killing'

Ihsan Ali, 44, and his wife Zahraa Subhi Mohsin Ali, 40, are charged with second-degree attempted murder and attempted kidnapping after the attack on October 18.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Intervention please...

 

[Izzylizzy]

I definitely appreciate that insight. I hate the fact that violent criminals might be given low/no bonds.

(Nod to your comments as well @Kalanit )

I just find it odd that this jury didn't convict Dad for attempted murder. Left-leaning citizens hate abuse by males.

I'm still so upset with this outcome.

When I think of FA, Isiah and his family I get a sick feeling in my stomach.
All one can do is ask any powers that may be that the parents learned the lesson that their big mouths, ignorant arrogance, and violent lifestyle of abusing their children didn't actually pay off for them.

The jury may have let them off but they're infamous now and at the touch of a keyboard they'll live for as long as we have wifi.
Hopefully, if they already have or get their 2 young boys back due to IA's "domestic violence" conviction CPS will stay on top of the family.
LE knows all about them along with the local schools neighbors etc.
At least they can't go back to being unnoticed and we have no idea what the local reaction is to the trial's outcome.
I believe there has been and will continue to be support surrounding Fatima, there's Isiah and his family and all the wonderful people who have been helping and guiding her throughout this horrific time and will continue to.
FA said she's in a new school so that was great news and hopefully she's concentrating on her art .
Going from her testifing she comes across as a soft-spoken gentle young woman.
imo

 

[Luna20]

Thank you Luna20

Shocking new revelations about father in attempted 'honor killing'

Ihsan Ali, 44, and his wife Zahraa Subhi Mohsin Ali, 40, are charged with second-degree attempted murder and attempted kidnapping after the attack on October 18.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Intervention please...

Oh gosh that is awful! He has a history of chronic abuse. This man is filled with rage and no one around him is really safe. I can’t imagine living in this environment. I hope that she has the support that she deserves and needs.

 

[Izzylizzy]

If it’s in the DM it is an approved source.

Had any of those events of domestic assault /child abuse been reported to the police they might have been able to have been entered as evidence against IA by the state.
I'm sure the mother was/is right there with her husband.
She and her daughters can now go visit him in jail.

After seeing the parents in action I wasn't surprised when I read about the sister(s?) assaulting FA.
The abused become the abusers and/or the Cinderella Syndrome or both.
Those poor little boys, I can't even think good thoughts knowing that they've not been with their parents in 10 months because they're supposedly in Canada with IA's mother and brother and god only knows if IA didn't fall far from the tree.

imo

 

[Charlot123]

It's not that type of area. Without giving out too much personal information, each and every person I know in Lacey is extremely left-leaning. Evergreen State College is a short bus ride away. My personal feeling with the jury, knowing what I do of the area, is that they didn't want to seem prejudiced against the defendants, so they swung the pendulum hard the other way. Similar to the argument the defense lawyer made for the mother- he knew the jury. The defense lawyer for the father only used the tactic of parenting because it was the only defense he had at all.
I didn't mention sentencing, someone else did. But judges only sentence that way because they think that is what their constituents want- because of the area they are in. That is the jury pool, that is what is has to do with lenient judges and overall politics of an area.
* my opinion

p.s I'm steaming mad too!

Living in Washington, I can see how it can happen. We are so scared of even presumed to be racist or anti-immigrant that we might overdo it in our sincere wish to be supportive. Sometimes, we may miss the cross-cultural, pragmatic essence of it, the very usual: “extreme domestic violence in the family.”

How do you think they would have judged if they simply focused on the too-common-pattern?

Why didn’t they see it? The whole community knew that the father was “stark mad”.

I sometimes wonder if adding the “honor killing” and “forced marriage” flair ended up being counterproductive. The court threw the baby out with the bathwater. The baby, sadly, was a too-common situation “a mentally unfit and ill father torturing his children culminating in nearly killing one of them”.

I am shocked, too.

 

[AnyNameIWish]

I couldn't even post here earlier I was just SO HORRIFIED HOW WRONG the JURY WAS..... Especially thanks to how much coddling the judge gave to the parents. Seriously such a disservice to everyone including the parents, who aren't facing the errors of their ways.... since they're going to do it again, perhaps to another daughter.

I hope FA gets all the love she deserves and she is in loving hands. The way it panned out, it's as if the USA justice system told her "sorry hun, you were born into that kind of family and the justice system isn't going to touch that with a ten foot pole." If the parents had physically restrained another adult or unrelated child, I suspect the jury would have felt a LOT more protective. I don't know if FA was wearing a hijab during her testimony but I suspect the jury didn't want to pass judgment on "a little family cultural squabble" in court.

 

[LunaticFringe]

With the way the world is now I am not surprised in the least with the verdict.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I was under the assumption from reading about jurors that the defendant's demeanor is noticed and can play a role in how they feel about their credibility, sincerity, remorse etc.
I'm gobsmacked on how both defendants never cracked a facial expression or any show of emotion throughout the trial and especially when Fatima testified.
imo

 

[turaj]

I will continue to watch here for any updates or juror interviews. It is almost like no media even wants to touch this case either. Don't expect jurors to talk. I live in a part of US where this result could have easily happened...too afraid to call out certain immigrants who are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime. I guess "attempted murder" not good enough had to have murdered her? So much did not come in and in reading the DM article I am fairly certain he is more angry now that ever and will do harm to more of his family. Sort of ironic that they get what seems like "preferential" treatment for abusing their children. If this had been the "all american family" I think Mr Ali would have been found quilty as charged and not some lesser. Frankly the sister should have been on trial too. Maybe they will all go to Canada?

 

[Mielegirl]

What a horrible outcome for Fatima. She was so brave to continue to stand up for herself to her family. I hope she can get far away from them and live a happy life.

 

[turaj]

What a horrible outcome for Fatima. She was so brave to continue to stand up for herself to her family. I hope she can get far away from them and live a happy life.

I doubt we will ever know what happens to Fatima. Her and Isiah may be together right now and this situation has been her escape for now but she will need to leave the area and at 18 and not even working this is going to be tough. It must have been awful to have to make the choice to charge your own parents and the state charged both of them. Don't trust Mrs. Ali either.

 

[Deerrun]

@Izzylizzy It was not an arranged marriage it was a forced marriage which is illegal. It was not an honor killing it was an attempted murder. At the very least the forced marriage should have been included as it was ongoing and the reason she ran away. The judge was wrong and she makes me ill. Imo

 

[IQuestion]

Good morning?...well it is morning anyway. Still reeling from this "slap-the-hand," verdict. Next thing ya' know he'll file a lawsuit for parental alienation, invasion of privacy and royalties for his online cruelty views. This reminds me of The Handmaid's Tale (The novel and series explore themes of totalitarianism, religious extremism, gender inequality, reproductive rights, and resistance: AI assisted summary) and life can be scarier of fiction.
And, nothing says we-miss-you-so-much like a death gripping choke hold, huh? (My Joan of Snark
persona is surfacing, big time.)
At least I know there are still brave citizens/unsung heroes who were willing to risk physical injury and endangering themselves to stop the assault.

 

[bugenjoyer]

Unless I missed it Court TV sure disappeared quickly after the verdict...no post verdict commentary at all. I think this judge gonna be real easy on IA and he could back home by the end of the year.

i saw some post verdict commentary on court tv with Vinnie Politan and 3 other people who's named i don't remember. but i turned it off pretty quick because they were all saying that they felt that the jury "got it right"

 

[cujenn81]

It’s really too bad the prosecution wasn’t able to use this quote from the TV show The Practice in her closing —

“This man comes from a society that treats women as commodities. In America, we don’t do that. We don’t condone honor killings. We don’t consider any murder to be honorable. You all know what he did. Come back with a verdict which reminds him what country he is in now.”

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

can you tell us if there is a large presence of immigrants from middle east including Iraq? Wondering if they are known in the community?

Why does that matter? I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I'm kind of offended by some of the comments around this trial all over the Internet. There are plenty of cases where people we all think are guilty are found not guilty. We ask a jury to make that determination and we can have our opinions regarding guilt or innocence, but we're not on the jury. The fact that the jury's decision in this case has been ridiculed with regard to nationality, foreign cultures, and politics is sad and disappointing to see.

These are 12 individuals who took time out of their lives to do their civic duty. We may feel they got it wrong, but assigning ulterior motives to their decision feels just as wrong.

MOO. This is not commentary on the guilt or innocence of the parents. This is commentary on how the jury's decision is being interpreted as being manipulated by political or cultural leanings, which if I find offensive.

MOO.

 

[fridaybaker]

What coddling? I think this was driven by jurors that thought that no one should speak against parental rights. I think it relates to Libertarianism. No one should tell me what I do with my kids.

I think most left-leaning people are aghast at this verdict.

Yeah. I agree. Coddling.

 

[fridaybaker]

Sick of the coddling.
Fully expected from this part of Washington state.
I'd leave here if I could.

Yeah. I agree. Coddling.

 

[fridaybaker]

Why does that matter? I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I'm kind of offended by some of the comments around this trial all over the Internet. There are plenty of cases where people we all think are guilty are found not guilty. We ask a jury to make that determination and we can have our opinions regarding guilt or innocence, but we're not on the jury. The fact that the jury's decision in this case has been ridiculed with regard to nationality, foreign cultures, and politics is sad and disappointing to see.

These are 12 individuals who took time out of their lives to do their civic duty. We may feel they got it wrong, but assigning ulterior motives to their decision feels just as wrong.

MOO. This is not commentary on the guilt or innocence of the parents. This is commentary on how the jury's decision is being interpreted as being manipulated by political or cultural leanings, which if I find offensive.

MOO.

Except that we know that juries are often swayed by political or cultural leanings. It's the reason for preemptory challenges during voir dire. It's a huge part of our judicial system. It's why attorneys spend colossal amounts of time studying jury pools, both live and in "practice sessions".

Yes, we hope that every "12 individuals who take time out of their lives to do their civic duty" do so in good faith, listen impartially to evidence, etc. However, we know that's not always the case. Often, juries get things wrong out of ignorance, personal biases, or other problems.