Was/is Shawn abusive toward Billie?

[Lera213]

But Billie doesn't do drugs, never has.
Billie is innocent in the child , didn't even know the thumb drive was in her house.
She doesn't need a lawyer, she hasn't done anything wrong.
Why in the hell didn't she just tell LE, yes he's here.

my first thought and sorry for this mental picture was that BJD and SA just finished having sexual relations

 

[isa]

I think Billie is covering for Shawn, but first and foremost she's covering for herself. She's knee deep in whatever he's into, so spilling the beans on him....... it wouldn't be in her best interests. I believe when he goes down, she's going with him.

 

[Melanie]

My 2 cents about the protection order...not only are there different laws for different states/counties, there are sometimes different terms. My brother has one against his "ex" girlfriend, but it allows for them to meet in a public place because of their child...I know they have no children together, but my point is that protection orders don't necessarily cut off all contact all the time...

I kind of believe BD about getting the PO, she wouldn't lie about something that is so very easily verifiable IMO...Maybe SA came over aggressively and threatened her to tell the police he was not there...once out of the situation, maybe she told LE that, and they let her know how dangerous that is...

BBM.

That made my mind wander back to Casey Anthony. She said she was working at Universal Studios, and even took investigators down the hallway before turning around and saying...ummmm....I really don't work here.

You'd be suprised! Not many people are as bold as ICA -- but they're out there

Hugs,

Mel

 

[For The Kids]

"Sure, he's here. And he's trying to blackmail me with a DVD of me doing abc."

And then the police seize the material with which he was threatening blackmailing you and you end up in trouble for sure, whereas keeping quiet could prevent the evidence of your having engaged in abc (illegal activities - drugs, certain deviant acts?) being turned over to police.

They already have material. What would any more matter to be honest?

Either this woman is scared of Shawn and needs a protection order..or isnt afraid and doesnt need one. I have seen NOTHING whatsoever that suggests she is scared of him sorry.

 

[isa]

my first thought and sorry for this mental picture was that BJD and SA just finished having sexual relations

I figured that they hadn't done the deed yet and that's why Billie didn't want LE to take him away....... Shawn still had work to do. :twocents: :blushing:

 

[yllek]

BBM.

That made my mind wander back to Casey Anthony. She said she was working at Universal Studios, and even took investigators down the hallway before turning around and saying...ummmm....I really don't work here.

You'd be suprised! Not many people are as bold as ICA -- but they're out there

Hugs,

Mel

It also reminded me of Billie's very first appearance on Nancy Grace. Within minutes of first introducing us to the case, Billie explained how her boyfriend came home from work at 3 p.m. on 12/27 and saw Hailey. Billie knew at least 5 days before that appearance that Shawn had not been at work that afternoon; she lied anyway. It was easily verifiable and quickly debunked. She also said she had not seen Shawn many times when there were plenty of eyewitnesses who'd seen them together (then she admitted they were "hanging out"). Imo, Billie will lie about anything at any time as long as it serves her immediate purpose. She'll just cover the lie with another lie when the first lie is exposed; it's her pattern. JMO..

 

[crimejunkie]

I personally don't believe that BD thought they would ask to search her home for SA. Either she thought they wouldn't search or she thought he could hide well enough that they couldn't find him, but imo....she wasn't expecting the search. She thought LE would take her "word" for it. Imagine that, after everything.

I think that after everything went down she HAD to come up with some excuse for lying to them and that's where the....."I had to lie, because I was scared of him" thing comes in and the P.O. What else is she going to say? She was protecting him? I did think it was interesting that the sheriff said this "doesn't look good for her cause" (link up a few posts), as it's clear that he didn't believe the lies or the "I was scared" stuff.

BD has not stayed away from SA when:
1. He was named as the ONLY suspect in her child's disappearance
2. He lied to her about his whereabouts the day her daughter went missing (job thing)
3. He was found to be connected to child
4. He was cheating on her with other women
5. He was exchanging naked pictures with women on the day HD went missing (according to the BTH interview)

What suggests that she is going to stay away from him now? Does anyone believe that after she gets over being mad about spending the night in the jail that she won't be sneaking around with him again?

One more thing....When I had a protective order with an ex....the judge told him in court that if he came over (even if I invited him) and someone called the police or if we were riding in the car together and got pulled over (even if I said I wanted him there), he would be arrested, if the P.O. was still active. If I changed my mind, I would have to drop the order for us to be together (no way in my case!). So, this tells me that the P.O. was not in effect when BD was arrested or SA would have been arrested too. IF she has it, she just got it and it's a temp. order, as he has the legal right to go to court and answer to the order before it's made permanent. He has to be served and given a court date. It doesn't make sense with the time frame that she has a permanent one year order already.

ETA: I am on a bunch of cold medicine, so I hope my thought process makes sense here! I know it's a bit jumpy from one point to another.

 

[CuriousG]

Personally, I am in doubt as to whether or not BD actually obtained a PO. If she did, at this point, it is temporary and will expire if she does not attend the court hearing to get it finalized by a judge.

I can describe the process that I had to go through, if that helps anyone understand what the process is like for someone who truly needs a protective order.

I had to fill out the paperwork at the courthouse, and yes, I did have to describe in detail all the reasons why I felt it was necessary to be protected. I had to wait while the paperwork was reviewed by a judge. I was granted a temporary order of protection and notice of hearing. I was given my copy of the order, as well as the copy to be served on the respondant.

The next step was having the respondant served. In my case, he would not leave my residence, so serving him immediately was pretty important to me. I contacted the police and described the situation to them and they agreed to serve him with the protective order.

Edited to add: You cannot just decide to "end" a protection order. It is valid until it expires or you can appear before the judge and ask him to dismiss the order.
I was instructed to deliver the return of service notice signed by the police officers to the courthouse to be filed, which was what made the order technically binding - meaning that if he violated, having the return of service filed would make prosecution easier, because there would be proof that he was aware of the order.

I appeared at the hearing and had to stand right next to the respondant and listen to his insane reasons why I shouldn't get a protective order. The judge granted me the order and it was valid for a year.

He violated the order less than an hour after being served. I called 911 and he was arrested. This guy thinks he is above the law - and he decided to fight the violation and asked for a jury trial. I was subpoena'ed to testify as a witness against him. Thankfully the jury saw right through his story and he was found guilty and had to serve more jail time. He was also fined and ordered to attend anger management classes for a year. He was also served with an additional no contact order that is valid for 5 years.

He didn't mess around with me anymore after that.

I think BOTH parties should be found in violation of protective orders if they are violated. It would eliminate a lot of the game playing and manipulation like what many of us feel is going on in this case!!

Thanks for listening. This subject is near to my heart - it took a lot of courage to follow through with the process in order to protect myself and my child.

 

[dodie20]

I personally don't believe that BD thought they would ask to search her home for SA. Either she thought they wouldn't search or she thought he could hide well enough that they couldn't find him, but imo....she wasn't expecting the search. She thought LE would take her "word" for it. Imagine that, after everything.

I think that after everything went down she HAD to come up with some excuse for lying to them and that's where the....."I had to lie, because I was scared of him" thing comes in and the P.O. What else is she going to say? She was protecting him? I did think it was interesting that the sheriff said this "doesn't look good for her cause" (link up a few posts), as it's clear that he didn't believe the lies or the "I was scared" stuff.

BD has not stayed away from SA when:
1. He was named as the ONLY suspect in her child's disappearance
2. He lied to her about his whereabouts the day her daughter went missing (job thing)
3. He was found to be connected to child
4. He was cheating on her with other women
5. He was exchanging naked pictures with women on the day HD went missing (according to the BTH interview)

What suggests that she is going to stay away from him now? Does anyone believe that after she gets over being mad about spending the night in the jail that she won't be sneaking around with him again?

One more thing....When I had a protective order with an ex....the judge told him in court that if he came over (even if I invited him) and someone called the police or if we were riding in the car together and got pulled over (even if I said I wanted him there), he would be arrested, if the P.O. was still active. If I changed my mind, I would have to drop the order for us to be together (no way in my case!). So, this tells me that the P.O. was not in effect when BD was arrested or SA would have been arrested too. IF she has it, she just got it and it's a temp. order, as he has the legal right to go to court and answer to the order before it's made permanent. He has to be served and given a court date. It doesn't make sense with the time frame that she has a permanent one year order already.

ETA: I am on a bunch of cold medicine, so I hope my thought process makes sense here! I know it's a bit jumpy from one point to another.

you made perfect sense and I was wondering why BD didn't just say it was a temporary order if that's what it is. Something may have happened after the interview that made her decide to get one, so she may have jumped the gun a little and said she already had one...not realizing that there's more to getting a protective order than just requesting one. IDK what the deal is, but she has been caught in so many lies, that I won't believe this until I get verification from LE. MOO.

 

[tlcya]

um, the best way to enforce a RO, is not to let the hide out in your home while lying to LE about it.

Had to be said.

I have not followed this case except for in lurk mode. Bak to lurk mode I creep. carry on good sleuths.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I have always wondered what constitutes a "weapon"? Is an axe a weapon? A chainsaw? A decorative samurai sword? A baseball bat? Rope? A box cutter? A crossbow? Where is the line drawn?

I don't expect that you know, and assume the general interpretation is "firearms," but... :waitasec:

On the last page of my PO:

FEDERAL:

Title18 United States Code Section 922(g)(8).

In effect it says that for the term of PO no ....'firearm or ammunition that has been transported in interstate of foreign commerce'....

Title18 United States Code Section 922(g)(9).

....IF that is violated during term of PO and there is a DV assault there can be a lifetime ban on firearms ownership....

STATE:

Where there is judicial discretion [special circumstance] then other items can be included, in my case my ex was martial arts trained [military] so he didn't have to have an actual weapon in his hand. In SA's case, he is into swords, knives or any type of item like that then the judge can include those.


I will add, in my state the person applies for the PO but it is the state that is the plaintiff against the defendant/respondent, not the person assaulted.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Personally, I am in doubt as to whether or not BD actually obtained a PO. If she did, at this point, it is temporary and will expire if she does not attend the court hearing to get it finalized by a judge.

I can describe the process that I had to go through, if that helps anyone understand what the process is like for someone who truly needs a protective order.

I had to fill out the paperwork at the courthouse, and yes, I did have to describe in detail all the reasons why I felt it was necessary to be protected. I had to wait while the paperwork was reviewed by a judge. I was granted a temporary order of protection and notice of hearing. I was given my copy of the order, as well as the copy to be served on the respondant.

The next step was having the respondant served. In my case, he would not leave my residence, so serving him immediately was pretty important to me. I contacted the police and described the situation to them and they agreed to serve him with the protective order.

Edited to add: You cannot just decide to "end" a protection order. It is valid until it expires or you can appear before the judge and ask him to dismiss the order.
I was instructed to deliver the return of service notice signed by the police officers to the courthouse to be filed, which was what made the order technically binding - meaning that if he violated, having the return of service filed would make prosecution easier, because there would be proof that he was aware of the order.

I appeared at the hearing and had to stand right next to the respondant and listen to his insane reasons why I shouldn't get a protective order. The judge granted me the order and it was valid for a year.

He violated the order less than an hour after being served. I called 911 and he was arrested. This guy thinks he is above the law - and he decided to fight the violation and asked for a jury trial. I was subpoena'ed to testify as a witness against him. Thankfully the jury saw right through his story and he was found guilty and had to serve more jail time. He was also fined and ordered to attend anger management classes for a year. He was also served with an additional no contact order that is valid for 5 years.

He didn't mess around with me anymore after that.

I think BOTH parties should be found in violation of protective orders if they are violated. It would eliminate a lot of the game playing and manipulation like what many of us feel is going on in this case!!Thanks for listening. This subject is near to my heart - it took a lot of courage to follow through with the process in order to protect myself and my child.

BBM

I'm glad that you and your children are safe now.

After I had my 5 year PO, the first time he violated by standing outside my house I was so scared I couldn't stop shaking and couldn't remember the simple numbers 911, one of my girlfriends had to call for me because I could not function. It is not an easy process to go through, definitely takes courage.

I think if VAWA were retooled, it could make /ROs uniform throughout the country.

 

[crimejunkie]

you made perfect sense and I was wondering why BD didn't just say it was a temporary order if that's what it is. Something may have happened after the interview that made her decide to get one, so she may have jumped the gun a little and said she already had one...not realizing that there's more to getting a protective order than just requesting one. IDK what the deal is, but she has been caught in so many lies, that I won't believe this until I get verification from LE. MOO.

You might be dead on with this one.

A p.o. is a civil matter, so the news should have no problem getting a copy of it on Monday and releasing it. We'll get the details and find out if it's temporary. If it is temporary right now, then BD will just say she was confused and thought it was already granted. I will be EXTREMELY interested to see if BD actually shows up for the hearing to make it permanent. It will also be VERY interesting if SA shows up and we get to here HIS side of things. She may wish she hadn't of gone this route...if SA shows up and starts saying she was the one calling him, wanting him to come over, etc.... It won't look good for her (not that much else does....just sayin'). Sad to say, but I think I would believe SA's version to the court of their current relationship over BD's version of "we're not together, but we are always being seen together and he's at my house everyday."

For example look at this quote:

Host: Last night, Billie stated that she was really confused now after everything that’s been found on the computers… how do you feel about this?

Shawn Adkins: In all our talks that I’ve had with Billie, she’s always told me that she believes that I had nothing to do with it, and, and before the child was ever made public, I’d already told her about that

I believe that BD was saying that to him and that is certainly not what she has portrayed in the media.

She knew about the child long before we did, yet she still stood by him. Though, according to SA....she has always stood beside him, she has not been honest about her unwavering support in the media. She has gone from "I don't know if he was involved" to "I don't think he would do anything" to "I know he wouldn't do anything like that" to "I've thought about the possibility of him being involved a little bit." to "I am confused" to "I know him and he didn't have anything to do with this" and back to "I don't know and I can't stand by him" now that I've talked to le "a little bit" ....yet I'll have him over at my house every night, etc.... More jumbled up lies and different versions every time she speaks! So, if this goes to court for the P.O., I think I will take Shawn's version of why he was there, who invited him, the nature of their relationship during the course of this case, the initiator of contact, etc.... as more truthful than Billie's, sad to say.

I bet that IF Shawn choses to defend himself over this, we will hear a whole lot about how he and Billie have been together the entire time and she was just as much an active participant in the relationship as he was and never gave the impression that she was scared of him. If she was scared....don't you think she would have been scared when he was named the only suspect or when they "couldn't clear" him in the disappearance or when he confessed to her about the child , etc...? Why now? Why did she again question his involvement when the child info hit the media and not when HE told her about it long before?

I am just not buying it. The only reason (imo) to continue to keep a person who is suspected of being involved in your daughter's disappearance and suspected of being involved in child (again involved in hurting children) is because you already know what happened and you are OK with it. IMO. I don't buy the "I wasn't scared when they said he was a suspect or when I found out months ago he was looking a people having sex with animals or looking at child . I wasn't scared when I saw these freaky masks or read about him talking about killing people on the Michael Myers site or when he was drinking at my party on New Years Eve instead of worrying about my daughter or when he stayed here many nights after being named a suspect, etc... BUT, I was scared when he came over unannounced on Thursday and the police were at my house, so I had to lie." Whatever.

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/hai...awn-adkins-blog-talk-radio-interview-march-3/

 

[Jacie Estes]

I understand, but I am through giving her the benefit of the doubt. She has known for two months that he is the prime suspect in her child's disappearance. I would think that might strike fear in a woman.

She has known for two years that he is capable of threatening to KILL HER if he gets angry. He threatened her and Clint and she took it seriously enough to call 911. After that charade she moved him into her home with her kids.

She has known all along about his little hobbies, and his obsession with violence and sick perverted acts. She decided to share in these hobbies herself. She WANTED to be his 'dirty little girl.' This did not scare her, she seemed to enjoy it.

When Shawn quit his job, he admitted that he 'was afraid' of telling Billie. She wore the pants in the family, not him. Even Clint has said that. She is not the little innocent weak scared lamb that she likes to pretend to be. MK pointed that out as well.

LE has asked her since day one to stay away from him. She did stay with him, but not out of fear, imo, but out of sick perverted sense of 'love.'

She has no reason to be afraid of him. She has plenty of people watching over her and the cops are watching him too. If she had truly wanted him to stay away it would have been very easy to accomplish. Instead they snuck around together- on purpose. He is not the big bad wolf here, imo, she is.

I agree with you; I am not a Billie Dunn fan. My point is and maybe I just stated it incorrectly, if a Protection Order is there for one person it has to be there for everyone, no matter what the circumstances. It's about the order not her; what she does with it is up to her. That is why I hope it isn't a 'cry wolf' situation.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I think Billie just painted herself in a corner with this PO thing. I think she told LE a batch of lies about Shawn scaring her, coming over to threaten her, bla bla bla....so they called her bluff and said she should swear out a Protection Order IF she is telling the truth.

That forced her hand so she had to do it to cover her own arse with LE. I am sure they stressed to her the abundance of illegal charges coming down the pike too. So she is trying to separate herself from Shawn all of a sudden. Let's see what his reaction will be. Hopefully he will push back and share some of his own stories with LE now, in response.

Since history has a tendency to repeat itself. One can look back a year ago in Feb. and see BD and SA going at one another through different police depts. I think his reaction will be that similar to the incidents in Feb. He will dish too. I think it will be just a matter of when not if SA starts talking to LE or MSM. The fur is about fly! JMO of course.

 

[GEORGIAGIRL69]

Yeah I guess so but part of me wonders if she was just blinded by love. I honestly don't know what to think. I mean she lied for him when police came to her house the other night and that speaks a lot of volumes. I hope she didn't do anything to Hailey.

BBM. Too bad she wasn't blinded by maternal love all this time. I don't believe we would even be discussing this if that were the case.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

BBM. Too bad she wasn't blinded by maternal love all this time. I don't believe we would even be discussing this if that were the case.

:goodpost::goodpost::goodpost:

 

[crimejunkie]

Since history has a tendency to repeat itself. One can look back a year ago in Feb. and see BD and SA going at one another through different police depts. I think his reaction will be that similar to the incidents in Feb. He will dish too. I think it will be just a matter of when not if SA starts talking to LE or MSM. The fur is about fly! JMO of course.

Very Good Point Truth! What does Dr. Phil always say....lol, something to the effect of "past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior" or something to that effect.

The pressure really has to be on SA right now...the noose tightening with this huge search of G-ma's house and the new information that is following him on every device connected to him. With recent arrests/convictions related to child in the news, the idea that he could be next and with BD's recent apparent anger with him (if it is not some ploy between the two of them and she really is angry with him about her having to going to jail), you'd think that it might be time to strike a deal. If I were in his shoes, I'd be begging and pleading for a deal after realizing with these new search warrants that this CP stuff isn't going away and in fact is just getting started.

Billie's reasoning now for talking or taking a deal, would be her anger at him for arrest, her fear that he'll get a deal first or her fear that he'll implicate her in Hailey's disappearance when he goes down for the CP. The police don't appear to have much on her now (though I know they likely have A LOT more than we know...all we know are a bunch of lies), so I am curious to see if she'll just try to separate herself from him and portray him as the bad guy that she was "blinded by" and is now fearful of. All the while, keeping tight lipped, as if she knows nothing. I think BD thinks that even LE believes most of her lies!!! So, this makes sense to me that she'd continue to claim to know nothing, while pointing the finger at SA.

On the other hand, Shawn knows they have something on him. He knows this is getting deeper by the minute, they are finding more stuff, they are connecting it to him and it's not going away. He knows he'll likely be arrested soon. He knows that he'll likely lose Billie in the process (as she'll move on....he has already said that she hasn't been faithful in the past) and especially IF the p.o. is her doing alone and not a ploy as a couple. She'll separate herself from him, get a new boy toy and go on with her life, while he goes down for the CP. I would think that thought both scares and angers him. I would think just the thought of going to jail for child for the rest of his life would scare him. So, knowing his freedom is on the line, thinking BD's turned away from him with the P.O. (if it's true) and worrying about her blaming him....he has more reason to strike a deal than she does. So, will he try to save himself and make a deal or make a deal, but only implicate himself thus saving Billie (as a last statement of "love" for her) or will he save no one and keep his mouth closed? Something to ponder at least. I think he needs to start talking and will be the first to break. I imagine his family will likely advise him of the same.....kinda a "save yourself and forget about Billie!" type thing. What do you all think?

 

[Jacie Estes]

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[Pondering Mind]

BBM - Not really. The PO will only be enforced if BD calls the PD if SA comes around, right?

10 bucks says they are still talking and will be sneaking around. IMO the PO is only a manipulative ploy to substantiate any comments BD may have made to LE that SA threatened her which is why she lied about his whereabouts...

EXACTLY what I'm thinking! Even IF it's true, it's not like LE knocks on doors to see if a TPO/RO is being violated! Billie Dunn is making a mockery of her daughters memory IMO and she has taken this so far beyond ridiculous that I'm having trouble even justifying listening to any more of her BS. I just can not wait for the day when these 2 are taken out of society for good.

I have now come to the conclusion (in my mind anyway) that if Hailey did ever go to BJD about any concerns about Shawn and/or his inappropriate behavior her words would have fallen on the deafest of ears..you know they would have! Although I believe BJD knew exactly what was going on, she didn't want to hear anything about it. She would have shut Hailey down cold...and that thought just breaks my heart and infuriates the living h@ll out of me..:furious:..