weekend discussion: discuss the trial here #155

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I am been on this forum for some time and I have read every possible scenario regarding how Arias murdered Travis, why she did it, the 20 different background stories..Blah, Blah, Blah. What my opinion of the matter is she was a woman that had NO identity, she never matured after age 16-17 when she moved out & began living with Bobby. For that; her lack of maturity, I blame the parents 100%. It is a parents responsibility to make sure their child has the proper care they need whether that is mental or physical health care. AS well as the parents responsibility to discipline their children. Neither of which the parents of Arias did. They allowed her to do whatever she wanted and get away with it rather than to deal with her. For the parents it was easier to just let her go than to treat her, treating her would have taken work, time, expenses etc. I know how this is as our 16 yr. old was failing badly at school, it was our responsibility to get him help and we did and now he is making Honor Roll, star football player that is getting Division 1 offers from major colleges to play football. Had we let him go, he would have flunked out and had far worse problems.

As Arias got older, she remained isolated from her family, thus feeding the disease even more. the only way she could function was to be in relationships with men and assume the role of whatever kind of woman they liked or had previously been with. I agree, there is something up with Darryl, he is hiding something. He knows way more than what he is telling and I can't believe Martinez didn't call him out on the DVD player and the trade for the gas cans. He is definitely hiding something.

As far as Travis knowing Arias was coming to his house on the 4th, I don't believe he knew she was coming. I think she just showed up there and I haven't seen the text messages from the 4th to know whether he actually knew she was indeed coming or not, has anyone else seen them? Also, I think Arias came BACK into the bathroom..I think Travis went upstairs to shower and she was in the Den still on the computer. She then goes upstairs after he is in the shower with HIS camera, leaving the camera bag near the outside of the bedroom doors. She remained in the Den so she could go BACK out to the car to get the gun and the knife. Arias had PLAN A and PLAN B. PLAN A was to seduce Travis into taking her to Cancun, thus the purchases for sunscreen, the bikini wax, the nails being done etc. When Travis would NOT agree to take her, she resorted to PLAN B. Arias KNEW or thought she knew that Travis had found Mimi and was pursuing her, she didn't know though that MIMI wasn't interested in Travis at all, that is why in the interrogation Tapes she states this VERY point. I am just perplexed though as to why Travis din't fight harder for his life, I can only assume that he was indeed shot first and was in so much shock he couldn't fight back. The trajectory of the bullet, the course of events and the fact Arias kept saying in the interviews...'Travis was STILL alive" over and over, makes me think her initial shot didn't do the job as she had planned and that is why she had to resort to using the knife, thus the horrific scene and Arias's complete mash up of the crime scene. She was in a hurry to get out of there because she KNEW the roommates schedule and had to get out of dodge ASAP, resulting in the camera hastily being tossed in the washer and the mess of the crime scene. She didn't have time to clean up like she had planned. that is why she had the bottled in her trunk, she planned for that water to be there for clean up measures. I also think she had a spot preplanned to toss the gun and the knife. If this TRULY was a premeditated crime, then she thought out every step, including where she dumped the weapons. I am trying to figure out through places her and Travis went, or places she mentioned before anywhere near the Hoover Dam she could have dumped them. Anyone remember locations previously mentioned or visited?

Anyway, I have been wanting to get this off my chest and see what you all thought. Thanks for letting me vent!

BBM: Really?? You are not serious... I have 3 kids they are all raised the same and yet have night and day personalities. I know a good family.. All three boys raised the same way, Loving and kind.. 2 are married productive, One is not, An addict, a goof off, Lots of bad decisions..

You can not blame parents 100% in most all cases.. Look at Travis.. He had nothing.. his parents were awful.. and yet he made something of himself.

That is harsh.. This girl is a master manipulator.. tHe bad seed sort..

No one did this to her. She developed her personality to suit what she needed... or wanted.
 
Yes! Skidmarks! Mine are men too so their laundry is someone else's problem. Thank God, none of them ever had a Jodi in their lives.

(Did ya notice how I segued myself back to the topic of this forum? I've already had one mod warning this week. :blushing:)

Saw what you did there. ;)
 
Interrupting the flow with an OT moment of "awwww".

Me (to my sweet brother who I'm taking to the movies today): I'll pick up the movie ticket Sweetie as an early birthday.

Him: Ok,thanks. I have donuts and milk for after.

In some ways you just never grow up with your siblings, ya know?

KCL,
So happy to hear your brother is doing better and you are able to hang out and have fun with him. I wish MY brother would offer me donuts and milk! I have six older brothers and every one of them would offer me a beer and some type of meat - bacon, bratwurst, burger, etc ! LOL
 
I am kind of new to this site, and don't know who the mod's are. There are 3 pictures I had never even seen. They are graphic, and quite sad. Thank you for responding!

There is a thread for timeline and media, I believe. It has the warning ***graphic*** in the name of the thread. I'm not a moderator, but I think your images will be welcome there.
ETA: here it is
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195462
 
my project for the long weekend was to go back and listen to the state's case.

after listening to it, and specifically to det. flores, i say that's what the jury needs to listen to again. the entire case is there.

her stupid stories, her phony demeanor, her answers for every single thing he puts before her----she has an answer for everything, which isn't normal at all.

i couldn't remember if her quote about getting the DP if she was guilty was in there but it was. loud and clear.

most damning is that LEFT RING FINGER. she shows it to him. the female ninja did it. it was cut. it's never been the same. it was painful. THE WHOLE THING!!

just a couple of things i caught this time around: not so sure she used bleach. there was one towel that looked like it, but there were dark tee shirts that did not. not important but i missed it before. also, through the entire phony ninja story, it's all about HER. TA is 'bleeding all over the place', but he's very much in the background of her story. it's her and the ninjas threatening HER and how she ran for her life and should've called 911 but was just too scared.

seriously worth a second listen, for anyone like me who didn't remember back that far!

I did not start following the trial until February and I need to go back and review a lot of the trial. I just hope that all these story changes, the overkill, the fact that JA was living in CA, the pictures are shown again and the fact that JA never called 911 are emphasized in the closing arguments. I really want these items drilled into the jurors heads and the fact that JA has ZERO remorse. Who does the closing arguments first, defense or the State?
 
KCL,
So happy to hear your brother is doing better and you are able to hang out and have fun with him. I wish MY brother would offer me donuts and milk! I have six older brothers and every one of them would offer me a beer and some type of meat - bacon, bratwurst, burger, etc ! LOL

You have the Atkins diet brothers. I have the "aw hell let's just get fatter" brother. Comfort food. lol
 
BBM: Really?? You are not serious... I have 3 kids they are all raised the same and yet have night and day personalities. I know a good family.. All three boys raised the same way, Loving and kind.. 2 are married productive, One is not, An addict, a goof off, Lots of bad decisions..

You can not blame parents 100% in most all cases.. Look at Travis.. He had nothing.. his parents were awful.. and yet he made something of himself.

That is harsh.. This girl is a master manipulator.. tHe bad seed sort..

No one did this to her. She developed her personality to suit what she needed... or wanted.

We can speculate till the cows come home, but none of us lived in that house when JA was growing up. Or ever. Nurture is never the complete answer. Nature sometimes makes mistakes. And hooboy, did it ever with JA.
Bashing her parents is inappropriate. I made plenty of mistakes with my two kids. Every parent has. I thank God every day that my grown kids CHOSE the type of people they are and have become.
We never had abuse or major issues in our home but I would never presume to walk a mile in any other parents' shoes. We can see a lot in hindsight and so can her parents. We don't know what life was like for that family.
There but for the grace of God, go I.
 
Hopefully Juan does play the finger segment again. She talks about how she can't close it anymore and when she shows it to him it's still fresh, the cut that is. That is absolutely when she injured it. And now she's trying to make people feel sorry for an injury she did to herself. Just stupid.
 
I wear pigtails while I clean to keep hair outta my face. I wax cuz I DON'T like to see hair creeping outta my panty lines down there. I like lollipops cuz I have a sweet tooth. BUT I AM NOT a pedophile. JA was/is grasping at VERY short straws with all of this. IMO

I think you're missing my point. First of all, I will assume you never killed anyone, right?
What I was saying, while Jodi was playing this ' school girl role' during her sex escapades with Travis, it was HER, not Travis, who enjoyed playing the part of a child.

I believe she took that, convoluted and contorted it to pin on Travis after his murder. She wanted to resurrect him again just to kill his reputation.

People generally lie within a comfort zone. So I don't believe Jodi erroneously made this 'child' story up out of thin air. SOMETHING had to have triggered that lie.

So again, I think it was HER who liked playing the role of a 12-year school girl then after killing Travis, took that familiar scenario and flipped the script and added the lie.

This isn't about JUST pig-tails, lollipops or bikini wax. It's collective and consistent with this pedophile lie she made up.
 
She does that CONSTANTLY. Blech.

WHY does she fish around in her mouth with her tongue like that? WHY?

I have yelled at the screen many times: "Can you stop with the eating the food from your teeth and gums, you're grossing me out!!"

WHY?
 
You have the Atkins diet brothers. I have the "aw hell let's just get fatter" brother. Comfort food. lol

LOL! These Midwest boys just like anything that isn't a vegetable! :rocker:
In all fairness, they have gotten more serious about their diets as they have gotten older but God help us all if there is ever a bacon shortage! :facepalm:
 
Hopefully Juan does play the finger segment again. She talks about how she can't close it anymore and when she shows it to him it's still fresh, the cut that is. That is absolutely when she injured it. And now she's trying to make people feel sorry for an injury she did to herself. Just stupid.

I doubt the jury gives a crap about the stupid finger.
They've had it with the finger.
I can't recall a single question from the jury about the finger.
Let's stop giving the finger to the jury.
Let's leave the finger where it belongs, with NG.
 
Yeah she's not the "good girl" type. She'll try and be sneaky given the opportunity. Her defense team will argue that she can "do good" in prison. I have no idea what 'good' she could do, but I do know that is one thing defense teams like to argue to help avoid the DP. But all that's still far away and the first step is her being convicted of 1st degree murder.
Since Arias is an expert photographer, maybe ASPC Perryville will let her take her fellow prisoners' mugshots ...
 
BBM: Really?? You are not serious... I have 3 kids they are all raised the same and yet have night and day personalities. I know a good family.. All three boys raised the same way, Loving and kind.. 2 are married productive, One is not, An addict, a goof off, Lots of bad decisions..

You can not blame parents 100% in most all cases.. Look at Travis.. He had nothing.. his parents were awful.. and yet he made something of himself.

That is harsh.. This girl is a master manipulator.. tHe bad seed sort..

No one did this to her. She developed her personality to suit what she needed... or wanted.

I agree with you totally. I have two kids, one highly successful and one a hell raiser. Parents can only do so much. You can take a person to get help but you cannot force them to accept the help. My hell raiser child was raised by both parents and my successful child was raised mainly by me (the father of my kids got divorced when my successful child was just a few years old). I hate when parents get blamed with everything when they really tried to straighten out a troubled child.
 
WHY does she fish around in her mouth with her tongue like that? WHY?

I have yelled at the screen many times: "Can you stop with the eating the food from your teeth and gums, you're grossing me out!!"

WHY?

It's just wrong. Absolutely wrong.

Maybe she finds it sexy? I'm sorry. :please: please forgive me.
 
She does that CONSTANTLY. Blech.

Re: teeth svveep. Me too, blech. I don't understand vvhat it is about this trial, but I've been creeped out by both JA's mouth and ALV's. I usually don't focus on a person's mouth, but these tvvo . . . shudder.
 
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