What is your #1 top indicator that Terri IS responsible for Kyron's disappearance?

[tlcya]

I have been giving a lot of thought to the sexting with MC. Up until now, I have staunchly believed that the sexting was just a new phase of a relationship that existed prior to Kyron's disappearance.

But it occurred to me last night as I lay asking myself - Where is Kyron? - that Terri seems to have been pretty active online before all this. A lot of people use the internet as an escape. I personally know people who are addicted to online gaming.

If your life is falling apart, people are scrutinizing your every move, you feel attacked and vilified in your real life - you may resort to escapism. If you feel your social networking sites are being monitored and your cel phone privacy has been compromised, and those are your main sources of escape you may

1) ask a friend to pick you up a bat-phone and

2) if baited by a secretly motivated MC start escaping through sexting.

A fantasy, sexy, reality where none of this bad stuff exists.

Is it proof of guilt? not at all. Is it seriously messed up? Oh yeah. Is it indicative of someone who has really bad judgment? You betcha.

My problem with Terri eventually became the molehill that became a mountain of circumstantial evidence that at best she must be the dumbest person in the world, at worst, she has done something criminal.

 

[krowdkat]

absolutely, tlcox. Scott Peterson started his affair with Amber Frey more than a month before Lacy went "missing". Proof of any sort of sordid sexual behavior prior to or after a criminal activity is not proof that the players committed THE crime.

The totality of ALL the evidence is what most times wins a conviction in a circumstantial trial.

The MFH plot (if true) against Kaine prior to Kyron's disappearance and the in appropriate sexting (if true) shortly after Kyron's disappearance, stongly indicates serious immorality issues. At the very least it points to TH's extreme disdain and willingness to commit a serious crime against her husband without any regards of how it will affect anyone surrounding her.

 

[BeanE]

Finally! Something I'm comfortable putting as an indicator that Terri was involved.

In fact, Kyron has been assigned to teacher, Kristina Porter, and is enrolled.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/kyron_horman_wall_of_hope_move.html

It's not something that could be used in court, of course, but it's a strong indicator to me. I recognize this could just be butt-covering - or naivete - or wishful thinking - or a legal maneuver - by the school, but nevertheless, I'm comfortable enough with this one to put it on my previously empty 'involved' list.

It tells me that there may be something, perhaps a witness who heard Terri tell the teacher she was taking Kyron to the doctor, to legitimately excuse the teacher from culpability, to an extent that the school system administration - and perhaps the school system attorneys - feel comfortable not only with the teacher returning, but with Kyron being assigned to her class.

Of course, this could also be a ploy on the part of LE - an attempt to get Terri - or someone else - to speak out.

But, again, despite all the other things it could be, I'm comfortable with putting it in the 'involved indicator' list.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Wow, that really is a "vote of confidence" for Ms. Porter. And I agree that all of this is being used psychologically against TH.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Who said "hack"? I just said prove to me it was Terri sending them. If she set her phone down at any time during the day or night, prove to me someone else didn't pick it up to send the pics.

The worst case scenario is Terri sent them herself; but this is not evidence Terri did anything to Kyron; this is evidence that Terri "ugly coped" after her husband took off with her baby and slapped her with an RO and divorce papers.

But like I said, I have serious doubts.

When has Terri ever denied sending those texts and "sexts"?

She has never denied sending them. The guys who received them believed they came straight from TH and there is no proof otherwise.

There is certainly no proof that other people took naked pictures of TH and sent them to men in the name of TH. It just seems way too complicated and unlikely, and the sexting happened over several months.

I think the police have proof she sent them or we would have seen some outraged denial about that in TH's emails that were released a few weeks ago.

 

[Donjeta]

I suppose they could have been photos that she had taken herself earlier and sent to someone else or stored on her laptop. If a conspirator has access to her phone why not her computer?

But IMO Terri has a problem if we have to assume that a large number of people are liars and frauds involved in a conspiracy to frame her for no apparent reason before we can make her look innocent.

It is a pretty inefficient conspiracy at that. Sending someone pictures of her furry animal in her name may earn her a racy reputation but it is not proof that she hurt Kyron so it could be a lot of trouble for little gain. Why not text a confession to a wrong number or something?

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

"furry animal"!! LOL Too funny!!

 

[BeanE]

For illustrative purposes only:

<<< furry animal - pic taking conspirator >>>

 

[mmmagique]

Finally! Something I'm comfortable putting as an indicator that Terri was involved.

In fact, Kyron has been assigned to teacher, Kristina Porter, and is enrolled.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/kyron_horman_wall_of_hope_move.html

It's not something that could be used in court, of course, but it's a strong indicator to me. I recognize this could just be butt-covering - or naivete - or wishful thinking - or a legal maneuver - by the school, but nevertheless, I'm comfortable enough with this one to put it on my previously empty 'involved' list.

It tells me that there may be something, perhaps a witness who heard Terri tell the teacher she was taking Kyron to the doctor, to legitimately excuse the teacher from culpability, to an extent that the school system administration - and perhaps the school system attorneys - feel comfortable not only with the teacher returning, but with Kyron being assigned to her class.

Of course, this could also be a ploy on the part of LE - an attempt to get Terri - or someone else - to speak out.

But, again, despite all the other things it could be, I'm comfortable with putting it in the 'involved indicator' list.

The teacher cared enough about Kaine and his family to offer to keep an empty desk out for Kyron. Kaine cares enough about the other children to decline. Very decent loving people all the way around, imo.

"Kaine Horman said he's seen some of Kyron's classmates, and is thinking how difficult the day must be for them. He said he met with Kyron's teacher last week, and she offered to leave a desk for Kyron, but Kaine Horman suggested against it, saying it would likely trouble other students."

 

[jadejazzkayla]

When has Terri ever denied sending those texts and "sexts"?

She has never denied sending them. The guys who received them believed they came straight from TH and there is no proof otherwise.

There is certainly no proof that other people took naked pictures of TH and sent them to men in the name of TH. It just seems way too complicated and unlikely, and the sexting happened over several months.

I think the police have proof she sent them or we would have seen some outraged denial about that in TH's emails that were released a few weeks ago.

bbm...


the emails supposedly written by terri and leaked by le or the media - were likely edited.

 

[craftybatchy]

Other students and parents will be troubled regardless. I know many parents families, etc, leave a lantern burning in a window, an ornamental porch light, the whole lighting the way home idea. Perhaps it would not be out of place to
leave an ornamental lantern (LED powered light) in an are where it could be appreciated by all staff, students, and parents alike. Acknowledging this loss but at the same time, not making it a point of focus in perpetuity.

 

[debs]

The teacher cared enough about Kaine and his family to offer to keep an empty desk out for Kyron. Kaine cares enough about the other children to decline. Very decent loving people all the way around, imo.

"Kaine Horman said he's seen some of Kyron's classmates, and is thinking how difficult the day must be for them. He said he met with Kyron's teacher last week, and she offered to leave a desk for Kyron, but Kaine Horman suggested against it, saying it would likely trouble other students."

Then why register him for school before he's home?:waitasec:

 

[pufnstuf]

Then why register him for school before he's home?:waitasec:

Because, for one, he's legally mandated to do so, as Kyron's guardian, if one wants to go by the letter of the law.

As long as there is no proof that Kyron is deceased, and as long as Kaine is operating under that notion--which has not been dispelled by LE--then Oregon law states that all children residing in the state are required to attend school.

Secondly, HOPE. Hope that his son will come home and will one day go back to school, play soccer, and do the stuff that his son enjoyed doing before he disappeared.

COMPULSORY SCHOOL ATTENDANCE
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339.010 School attendance required; age limits. Except as provided in ORS 339.030, all children between the ages of 7 and 18 years who have not completed the 12th grade are required to attend regularly a public full-time school of the school district in which the child resides. [Amended by 1965 c.100 §274]

339.020 Duty to send children to school. Except as provided in ORS 339.030, every person having control of any child between the ages of 7 and 18 years who has not completed the 12th grade is required to send such child to and maintain such child in regular attendance at a public full-time school during the entire school term. [Amended by 1965 c.100 §275; 1969 c.160 §1]

339.030 Exemptions from compulsory school attendance; rules. (1) In the following cases, children may not be required to attend public full-time schools:

(a) Children being taught in a private or parochial school in the courses of study usually taught in grades 1 through 12 in the public schools and in attendance for a period equivalent to that required of children attending public schools in the 1994-1995 school year.

(b) Children proving to the satisfaction of the district school board that they have acquired equivalent knowledge to that acquired in the courses of study taught in grades 1 through 12 in the public schools.

(c) Children who have received a high school diploma.

(d) Children being taught for a period equivalent to that required of children attending public schools by a private teacher the courses of study usually taught in grades 1 through 12 in the public school.

(e) Children being educated in the children’s home by a parent or legal guardian.

(f) Children excluded from attendance as provided by law.

(2) The State Board of Education by rule shall establish procedures whereby, on a semiannual basis, an exemption from compulsory attendance may be granted to the parent or legal guardian of any child 16 or 17 years of age who is lawfully employed full-time, lawfully employed part-time and enrolled in school, a community college or an alternative education program as defined in ORS 336.615. An exemption also may be granted to any child who is an emancipated minor or who has initiated the procedure for emancipation under ORS 419B.550 to 419B.558.

I don't think that Kyron is coming home, sadly, BUT I won't look down my nose at Kyron's father for maintaining hope.

 

[Kimster]

We are all well aware of the fact that there is a line being drawn between those who feel Terri is involved and those that think she is not. There are still a few who aren't sure and are trying to work that out in their minds. ALL of those opinions are welcome on Websleuths.

We have relaxed the moderating in this forum to allow more freedom of opinion. We are not going to relax the rules about criticizing other posters' points of view. If you are unable to convince someone that your way is the right way, then please either put the poster on ignore or move along. There is nothing to be gained from commenting about how others feel except for losing your posting privileges for a period of time.

This isn't new, folks.

Carry on please and may we all remember to respect each others views.

 

[pufnstuf]

Who said "hack"? I just said prove to me it was Terri sending them. If she set her phone down at any time during the day or night, prove to me someone else didn't pick it up to send the pics.

The worst case scenario is Terri sent them herself; but this is not evidence Terri did anything to Kyron; this is evidence that Terri "ugly coped" after her husband took off with her baby and slapped her with an RO and divorce papers.

But like I said, I have serious doubts.

So, let me see if I have this right. Someone possibly broke into the Horman house after Kaine had moved out, and unbeknowst to Terri made photos of Terri in graphic sex acts, and texted the graphic photos to Michael Cook. Really? That makes more sense than Terri being solely responsible for the sexts?

Terri sending sext photos to Kaine's high school friend isn't evidence that she did anything to Kyron. But it certainly speaks to character, or lack thereof.

 

[debs]

There is no provision for mandating a father of a missing child MUST register him for school based on the hope that his child will be home in time for school to start. Even so, Kaine has stated that Kyron wouldn't start school right away; instead spending time with the family.

I guess I'm puzzled at the registration and the school's implementation of Ms Porter as his teacher (should he return), and Kaine's gentle concern for having a desk left empty for his son. It's mixed messages.

 

[pufnstuf]

According to the school:

School started at Skyline Elementary near Portland Tuesday without missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

He wasn't in the classroom, but still had a desk waiting for him at his northwest Portland school.

"He's still a student, we've got him placed in a third grade classroom and hopefully we'll see him soon," said Matt Shelby with Portland Public Schools.

http://www.mynorthwest.com/category...a-student'-says-school-of-missing-7~year~old/

 

[loves2bmom]

There is no provision for mandating a father of a missing child MUST register him for school based on the hope that his child will be home in time for school to start. Even so, Kaine has stated that Kyron wouldn't start school right away; instead spending time with the family.

I guess I'm puzzled at the registration and the school's implementation of Ms Porter as his teacher (should he return), and Kaine's gentle concern for having a desk left empty for his son. It's mixed messages.

I don't find mixed messages at all. I think it's very symbolic that Kaine is putting his stamp of approval on both the school AND the teacher. As far as registering him...if a miracle occurs and Kyron is found safe, they would want to reserve a spot for him. I thought I remember early on that someone from PPS said there were students transferring into Skyline from other nearby schools. As a parent within the school boundary, the Hormans would be guaranteed a spot but maybe not necessarily in Ms. Porter's class. Very symbolic indeed.

 

[debs]

I don't find mixed messages at all. I think it's very symbolic that Kaine is putting his stamp of approval on both the school AND the teacher. As far as registering him...if a miracle occurs and Kyron is found safe, they would want to reserve a spot for him. I thought I remember early on that someone from PPS said there were students transferring into Skyline from other nearby schools. As a parent within the school boundary, the Hormans would be guaranteed a spot but maybe not necessarily in Ms. Porter's class. Very symbolic indeed.

Okay, and if in the next ten days, Kyron sadly doesn't appear, he'll be dropped from those roles.

 

[loves2bmom]

Okay, and if in the next ten days, Kyron sadly doesn't appear, he'll be dropped from those roles.

Yep! But again, I think they were sending a very big message enrolling him in her class.