Why Burke did not kill JonBenet

[twizzler333]

This is what you see with the likes of BrotherMoon when they snub and mock God as He does continuously. I am reminded of a famous saying of the great St. Augustine:
"You are either moving toward Him, or away from Him; but
always - HE is at the center."

Amen to that! Couldn't agree more!

I have a relative that does the same thing, snubbing and mocking God....and to see the pitiful life this person leads....It is a shame! Glad I am a happy, God loving person.

 

[sissi]

hmm..I haven't paid close attention the past few days, it seems during that time there has been some infighting?
I was just thinking that maybe I dated Brothermoon? UofMd 1960's? Likely not, but the same kind of guy, the kind of guy that loved deeply, was far from abusive, put ya up on that damn pedestal that's just too shakey to not fall off. Caustic wit, yeah...perhaps a bit of manic-depression..or some such dark emotions..a tendency toward substance abuse..perhaps to numb himself from the reality of the rest of us? Who knows, but on this forum I don't find him any worse than those that tell me "there's no hope" etc. if I don't buy into THEIR theories and ideas. JMO

 

[K777angel]

Amen to that! Couldn't agree more!

I have a relative that does the same thing, snubbing and mocking God....and to see the pitiful life this person leads....It is a shame! Glad I am a happy, God loving person.

Thanks twizzler333. I know exactly what you mean.... And watch now how BrotherMoon will prove our point. :dance:

 

[KATKAT19691]

Thanks twizzler333. I know exactly what you mean.... And watch now how BrotherMoon will prove our point. :dance:

We will not be hearing from BM anymore, someone has challenged him and what he does is back down when challenged. He did try to give himself a way out by saying someone stole his password therefore we could not hold him responsible for anything that he has posted, but since I challenged him on that too he cannot use that for an excuse. He will play the victim. He backs down like he does because he only knows a little about something's, and an expert about nothing. He comments that he laughs at us all because we fall for his post, he does this because he knows he is full of s#!t and has no idea what he is talking about. Go back through his post and look and read, anytime anyone asks him to further explain his thought or theory, he does not answer, will stay gone for a while and then reappear quietly so no attention brought to himself. Then after a while he does the same thing. He attacks, blames it on someone else, either the other poster because they are just stupid, or his friends for stealing his passwords. You will find in most of his post when questions he just calls the other poster stupid and says if they cannot get it then he does not have the time to explain. What is really going on is he can't explain because he has no clue. As long as someone is calling him what he is like I have just done, he will not show again. If he does by some small chance, he will either ignore the posts or just call us to stupid to deal with.
I say good riddance!!! Now we can go on with the intelligent debate that we all agree we should be having.

Kat
IMO

 

[KATKAT19691]

hmm..I haven't paid close attention the past few days, it seems during that time there has been some infighting?
I was just thinking that maybe I dated Brothermoon? UofMd 1960's? Likely not, but the same kind of guy, the kind of guy that loved deeply, was far from abusive, put ya up on that damn pedestal that's just too shakey to not fall off. Caustic wit, yeah...perhaps a bit of manic-depression..or some such dark emotions..a tendency toward substance abuse..perhaps to numb himself from the reality of the rest of us? Who knows, but on this forum I don't find him any worse than those that tell me "there's no hope" etc. if I don't buy into THEIR theories and ideas. JMO

This man puts no woman upon a pedestal! He hates women. No fighting going on just BM insulting people treating them without respect and using foul language because he can not think of any other word to say. Shows his I.Q. right there If you dated BM or anyone like him count yourself lucky you got out alive and without the emotional damage that would come from being around someone like him. He would suck the soul out of anyone. If you believe in God to him you are an idiot so remember that the next time you feel the need to come to the defense of that person. Remember in one of his post he bragged about knocking out his 6 year old grandchild to see how he would fall to check to see if JBR was staged. What kind of person finds humor in child abuse?
Just to clear up so we don't have to worry about it anymore, when you were told "there's no hope" it was because messiecake post was easy and to the point and he could not understand it needing explained any further. However, you were reading more into the post than was there, you know sometimes we make things harder than they really are. Like saying the sky is blue and someone turns around and says blue what do you mean blue? How do you explain that any further. It's just blue.
You were just questioning to see if it was more than what you read because it seemed to simple. Messiecake was not calling you stupid or hopeless they were stating they did not see any other simpler way to explain it. I understand how it seemed offensive but he did not mean it the way you took it. So let it go.
Please do not take anything I said in a wrong way. I am not saying you are stupid or anything like that only that you misunderstood the comment that was made to you.

Kat
IMO

 

[VespaElf]

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Thanks Kat!!!!!!!

On to B/M free,intelligent discussion!!!!!!!! :dance:

 

[KATKAT19691]

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Thanks Kat!!!!!!!

On to B/M free,intelligent discussion!!!!!!!! :dance:

You are welcome! Did I explain well to Sissi, I hope she is not mad at me now.

Kat
IMO

 

[WasUp]

Thanks, it just bothers me when people say that kids are not able to do things. There is a thing and I am sure brothermoon can tell me what it is. When kids are not loved hugged, etc. they have no conscience, they have no feeling will kill animals stick pens in them, hurt brothers and sisters etc. It is some sort of seperation thing. They don't care. I watched a true story movie once on a little 5 year old girl that had been so badly abused she had it and they never could get her to be right again.

Thank you very much!!!! That is it. Was driving me nuts. :banghead: Not in the middle of the bell curve, but a 100% Texan so...........

Thank ya!

kat

Disorganized attachment syndrome will do.

http://www.psychematters.com/papers/fonagy3.htm

I see none of you know what it feels like to live a life like that. I find it appalling, how losely the terms psychopath/sociopath, narcissist, etc...are joked about on a daily basis.

Its difficult for me to understand why people have to attack one another and be hateful. There are easier ways to say, I think you've misunderstood, or let me try to help you understand, without having to bash one another

I'm not suggesting Patsy or JonBenet had any kind of attachment disorder, and I added the word syndrome. I don't know If the condition is recognized as a "syndrome". The effect on an infant of having little or no recognition through visual/auditory/tactile means is profound.

I'm a product of my environment and the words, The effect on an infant of having little or no recognition through visual/auditory/tactile means is profound.

Thats putting it mildly. I work everyday on my self-esteem, and I know I have to stop taking the words I read tonight so personally.

Do the words "I love you" really mean anything? They're simply words. I believe God saved our world because he's more interested in our actions towards others.

Murder, raping, torture, lies, arguing and fighting were not a part of god's plan. Only we as human beings on this earth can change these negative patterns with all our will and might - and yes, some of those people need medication and some of those people are completely unreachable.

I understand exactly what sissi was saying. I could've chosen a different path, one of anger and revenge, but I didn't. If I could make one of those peaks and Valley charts, you'd see a majority of my life was spent in the valley, in the dungeon with the devil. It was my choice to pull myself out of it and I'm so thankful I did. :angel:

I see alot of clear thinking, responsible adults posting here who are very interested in talking about what happens to people who grow up in a disassociated world. I'm not the only one in my family whose suffered. The other two are much worse off than I am.

They both chose drugs in order to escape their world whereas I chose to dream about mansions, candyland and kind people who would rescue me at any given moment in time. It was a nice feeling to be able to dream those things.

This was my escape, because I thought reality sucked.

Reality gets better everyday as long as I don't tumble back down into that infamous valley.
I hope I don't get bashed for telling you the truth about the way my world was when I was a child. (If it makes any difference, I was born in the 50's):blushing:

 

[WasUp]

:bang: Ut ohhh, don't shoot me ok? I forgot the most important part of my post -

I believe Patsy is guilty and John started putting the two and two together in the latter part of that morning. I don't believe John had anything to do with the killing but he had a lot to do with the cover-up. Patsy on the other hand - I believe she was "PMS" out of control and hit JonBenet, much harder than she thought.

Yes it was a rage on Patsy's part, but her intent was not to kill JonBenet.

I often wonder why she didn't just fess up and say that. No doubt their life wouldn't be as complicated as it is today, with all the legal mumbo jumbo and lawsuits, not to mention the amount of money thats been spent by the prosecution and by the defendents.

I base Patsy's guilt on several things -

#1 She found the ransom note
#2 Handwriting analysis was somewhat comparible
#3 She made the phone call to 911
#34She overdramatized her part once JonBenet was found.

#5 Why did she feel the need to maintain her composure until the body was found? This is atypical behavior IMO.

#6 After swaying on Burke's involvement, I sway to the NO side. I believe Burke was clueless as to what happened. He was then sent off to stay with the neighbors, most likely not even sure he was understanding what had taken place, because once John had figured out what had happened and realized Patsy was involved, they had no way to explain it to him, not at that point in time.

Thus the cover-up began and the rest is history! No suspect, No investigation, (a proper one at least) no trial, no jury, no conviction, Notta. What a twisted world we live in. :boohoo: The End.


:twocents: What do you think might have happened if Patsy had told the truth from the very start?

 

[KATKAT19691]

I see none of you know what it feels like to live a life like that. I find it appalling, how losely the terms psychopath/sociopath, narcissist, etc...are joked about on a daily basis.

Its difficult for me to understand why people have to attack one another and be hateful. There are easier ways to say, I think you've misunderstood, or let me try to help you understand, without having to bash one another


I'm a product of my environment and the words, The effect on an infant of having little or no recognition through visual/auditory/tactile means is profound.

Thats putting it mildly. I work everyday on my self-esteem, and I know I have to stop taking the words I read tonight so personally.

Do the words "I love you" really mean anything? They're simply words. I believe God saved our world because he's more interested in our actions towards others.

Murder, raping, torture, lies, arguing and fighting were not a part of god's plan. Only we as human beings on this earth can change these negative patterns with all our will and might - and yes, some of those people need medication and some of those people are completely unreachable.

I understand exactly what sissi was saying. I could've chosen a different path, one of anger and revenge, but I didn't. If I could make one of those peaks and Valley charts, you'd see a majority of my life was spent in the valley, in the dungeon with the devil. It was my choice to pull myself out of it and I'm so thankful I did. :angel:

I see alot of clear thinking, responsible adults posting here who are very interested in talking about what happens to people who grow up in a disassociated world. I'm not the only one in my family whose suffered. The other two are much worse off than I am.

They both chose drugs in order to escape their world whereas I chose to dream about mansions, candyland and kind people who would rescue me at any given moment in time. It was a nice feeling to be able to dream those things.

This was my escape, because I thought reality sucked.

Reality gets better everyday as long as I don't tumble back down into that infamous valley.
I hope I don't get bashed for telling you the truth about the way my world was when I was a child. (If it makes any difference, I was born in the 50's):blushing:

You know that is all well and great. I am proud of you that you did see your problem and you are trying daily to help yourself with the help of others I hope. The point is you did not get on here call us stupid, tell us we did not matter and attack us on a daily basis. Brothermoon did and that is why he gets the reaction he gets.
The fact is I grew up with a mother I am still trying to figure out what I ever did to her besides being born. I do know what that is like, she is a mean soulless woman who should have never been allowed to have kids. The point is we all have crosses to bare. Some more than others. That does not give brother the right to attack us. Yes I did defend myself and others. Mostly because it had to stop and I knew with a personality like his all you needed to do was stand up to him. Got this from exper. with my mother. So don't be offended about anything we have said until you go to memeber list, read all of Brothermoons post before you lecture or judge us.
Messiecake, had explained to sissi over and over that she took the post wrong and said sorry she would not let it go so I tried to explain a little more to her to try to help. Sorry if that one seemed to much to the point but ya know us Texans are famous for our direct approach. I in no way meant to hurt her.

kat
imo

 

[KATKAT19691]

I hope I don't get bashed for telling you the truth about the way my world was when I was a child. (If it makes any difference, I was born in the 50's):blushing:

Also, don't judge us the same as you asked us to not judge you. :furious:
We are not the type of people who would bash anyone for being a victim of abuse. That is Brothermoons:loser: M.O. Sorry if I seem so angry, but he made the mistake of cursing at me and no one is going to disrespect me like that. I also stated in my post you chose to quote and ingore that I knew people who were brought up in sit. like yours often dont have a choice and it is up to people who are around them to help them. That we were all resp. for each other.

Kat
IMO

 

[KATKAT19691]

Here is my thought on your comments.

answer (she was first one up)[/color]
#2 Handwriting analysis was somewhat comparible
answer (so was burke's)
#3 She made the phone call to 911
answer (um I would have called 911 also if my child was missing)
#34She overdramatized her part once JonBenet was found.
answer (maybe she is a drama queen, I have several friends that are does not make them killers)
#5 Why did she feel the need to maintain her composure until the body was found? This is atypical behavior IMO.
answer (maybe she had hope her child was alive until the dead body was laid before her?)
#6 After swaying on Burke's involvement, I sway to the NO side. I believe Burke was clueless as to what happened.
answer(no way anyone in that house was clueless that night)
He was then sent off to stay with the neighbors,
answer(would have sent him out to keep him away from police too.)
most likely not even sure he was understanding what had taken place, because once John had figured out what had happened and realized Patsy was involved, they had no way to explain it to him, not at that point in time.
answer(simply say your sis is missing we need you to be good and help. Please go to room and we will come and get you when we know something?)

I dont think any parent would cover for the other if they murdered a child, however you would protect your remaining child even if that meant taking the blame yourself.

Thus the cover-up began and the rest is history!
answer(Dr. Baden said Burke should be looked at.) No suspect, No investigation, (a proper one at least) no trial, no jury, no conviction, Notta. What a twisted world we live in. :boohoo: The End.



:twocents: What do you think might have happened if Patsy had told the truth from the very start?

:twocents: We all look back at things we have done and wondered what if.:waitasec: I am sure Patsy and John wish they would have handled things differently. Maybe one day we will all know the truth. Until then it is all debate, and by the way thanks for the great debate, without the insults and all.

 

[TressaRing28]

I see none of you know what it feels like to live a life like that. I find it appalling, how losely the terms psychopath/sociopath, narcissist, etc...are joked about on a daily basis.

Its difficult for me to understand why people have to attack one another and be hateful. There are easier ways to say, I think you've misunderstood, or let me try to help you understand, without having to bash one another


I'm a product of my environment and the words, The effect on an infant of having little or no recognition through visual/auditory/tactile means is profound.

Thats putting it mildly. I work everyday on my self-esteem, and I know I have to stop taking the words I read tonight so personally.

Do the words "I love you" really mean anything? They're simply words. I believe God saved our world because he's more interested in our actions towards others.

Murder, raping, torture, lies, arguing and fighting were not a part of god's plan. Only we as human beings on this earth can change these negative patterns with all our will and might - and yes, some of those people need medication and some of those people are completely unreachable.

I understand exactly what sissi was saying. I could've chosen a different path, one of anger and revenge, but I didn't. If I could make one of those peaks and Valley charts, you'd see a majority of my life was spent in the valley, in the dungeon with the devil. It was my choice to pull myself out of it and I'm so thankful I did. :angel:

I see alot of clear thinking, responsible adults posting here who are very interested in talking about what happens to people who grow up in a disassociated world. I'm not the only one in my family whose suffered. The other two are much worse off than I am.

They both chose drugs in order to escape their world whereas I chose to dream about mansions, candyland and kind people who would rescue me at any given moment in time. It was a nice feeling to be able to dream those things.

This was my escape, because I thought reality sucked.

Reality gets better everyday as long as I don't tumble back down into that infamous valley.
I hope I don't get bashed for telling you the truth about the way my world was when I was a child. (If it makes any difference, I was born in the 50's):blushing:

I was born In 1959, No bashing meant...

Honey Get over it! :boohoo: Your too old to be feeling sorry for your self .

No one lived the Leave it to Beaver life :snooty:

I am on the fence about JonBenet...

Patsy wrote the note but for whom?

Tressa

 

[sissi]

Why do we have to "get over" our experiences, aren't they the fibers that form our personalities and make us who we are?
If we are intelligent enough to use them, learn from them, make our's and other's lives better because of them,then we have accomplished something important. As they use to say in my "day" , we "rose above it all",and yep that is a feat that takes courage and of which we should be proud. It's also nice to share a good story of "beating the odds". It offers others hope! IMO

and...I defend BM because his sarcasm and caustic wit ,although not necessarily my taste , show his ability to laugh a bit at himself,and I realize the difference between the humor and the literal. What I saw was his reaction, however given his history of "offense" I was a bit surprised at his "defense". I hope no one here really believes he has brought his grandson into this case on any level. To believe that ,would be dangerous,IMO.

 

[WasUp]

I was born In 1959, No bashing meant...

Honey Get over it! :boohoo: Your too old to be feeling sorry for your self .

No one lived the Leave it to Beaver life :snooty:

Honey, I didn't post that because I'm still feeling sorry for myself, I posted it because I feel I've been extremely successful at pulling myself out of the dungeon.

Why do we have to "get over" our experiences, aren't they the fibers that form our personalities and make us who we are?
If we are intelligent enough to use them, learn from them, make our's and other's lives better because of them,then we have accomplished something important. As they use to say in my "day" , we "rose above it all",and yep that is a feat that takes courage and of which we should be proud. It's also nice to share a good story of "beating the odds". It offers others hope! IMO

Nicely said. Thank you sissi.

The fact is I grew up with a mother I am still trying to figure out what I ever did to her besides being born.

:waitasec: I've heard this somewhere before. I wonder if our mothers are related somehow?

 

[KATKAT19691]

Honey, I didn't post that because I'm still feeling sorry for myself, I posted it because I feel I've been extremely successful at pulling myself out of the dungeon.


Nicely said. Thank you sissi.


:waitasec: I've heard this somewhere before. I wonder if our mothers are related somehow?

Point is not something I dwell on. Just think she is the way she is because she is the way she is. Her mother did it to her, and my great grandmother did it to my grandmother, they were all soulless people who had no right to be on this planet with normal decent caring people. I will not do it to my kid so the buck stops here! Don't feel the need to pity myself in the least, will get a better deal in the next life. I do not pity people nor do I try to UNDERSTAND people like brothermoon. There is no excuse for people who are adults now and don't know any better than to treat others like they are dirt on the bottom of their shoe. Why does he deserve my understanding? He does not try to better himself, he does not realize his problem and try to seek help and he inflicts pain to anyone around him. He does not deserve my understanding. He belongs in that group of the soul less ones. Sorry if anyone is offended by my thoughts, fact is this is life not everyone is gonna hold your hand and say I hope you understand honey. Make yourself a little stronger, stop making excuses for people who walk or insult you and stand up for yourself. I promise it is the most empowering feeling you will ever have.

Kat
IMO

 

[KATKAT19691]

Point is not something I dwell on. Just think she is the way she is because she is the way she is. Her mother did it to her, and my great grandmother did it to my grandmother, they were all soulless people who had no right to be on this planet with normal decent caring people. I will not do it to my kid so the buck stops here!
Don't feel the need to pity myself in the least, will get a better deal in the next life. I do not pity people nor do I try to UNDERSTAND people like brothermoon. There is no excuse for people who are adults now and don't know any better than to treat others like they are dirt on the bottom of their shoe. Why does he deserve my understanding? He does not try to better himself, he does not realize his problem and try to seek help and he inflicts pain to anyone around him. He does not deserve my understanding. He belongs in that group of the soul less ones. Sorry if anyone is offended by my thoughts, fact is this is life not everyone is gonna hold your hand and say I hope you understand honey. Make yourself a little stronger, stop making excuses for people who walk or insult you and stand up for yourself. I promise it is the most empowering feeling you will ever have.

Kat
IMO

PS
I don't spend my days pulling myself out of the valley of hatred that woman who calls herself my mother tried to put me in. Simple, when I got to adulthood and realized that she or no one else had any right to make me feel that way I never looked at that dungon again. Stop dwelling on the past, stop trying to fig. out why your mom is the way she is and just realize some people are just that way not your fault you did not do anything and get on with your life. I do not understand the self esteem part either for the simple fact of why would I care what a person like my mother thinks of me. She does not get the right to make me feel bad about myself anymore. Maybe you should try the same. If you would like to talk about it have some great advice for you all you have to do is reach out and send me a private message and I will tell you how to get over what she has done to you in one day.

 

[TressaRing28]

Why do we have to "get over" our experiences, aren't they the fibers that form our personalities and make us who we are?
If we are intelligent enough to use them, learn from them, make our's and other's lives better because of them,then we have accomplished something important. As they use to say in my "day" , we "rose above it all",and yep that is a feat that takes courage and of which we should be proud. It's also nice to share a good story of "beating the odds". It offers others hope! IMO

Sissi, we all must get closer not only for ourselves but, for others. We can not grow if we live in a sad past. Reflection is indeed good, but after 40 years of the 50's additude, I do beleive WASUP needs to move on for the growth that we all need including yourself . Ok ? No offence...

 

[TressaRing28]

Honey, I didn't post that because I'm still feeling sorry for myself, I posted it because I feel I've been extremely successful at pulling myself out of the dungeon.

Success is empowering WASUP, I am very happy that you found your way out of the box... But sweety your still thinking about it, so IMO its still an issue you must get closer over.
Tressa

 

[sissi]

Sissi, we all must get closer not only for ourselves but, for others. We can not grow if we live in a sad past. Reflection is indeed good, but after 40 years of the 50's additude, I do beleive WASUP needs to move on for the growth that we all need including yourself . Ok ? No offence...

Maybe you are right, however some would call that denial. JMO