Why did Madeleine 'go missing'?

[Donjeta]

no the beeb is not the devil - neither is the mail - I never said that - the mail does make things up though - and if you follow the Jimmy saville case then some people think the Beeb has got a lot to answer for - but that is another case

I just see Tanner as someone who was caught in an awful horrible case -- and she thinks she might have witnessed the actual abduction. She was always clear that she had a fleeting side view

I just think that the online abuse of this woman has been pretty poor - she has kids and does not deserve sole of what has been dished out

No, I haven't followed the Savile case. I know it's about sexual abuse by some a TV celeb but that's about it.

 

[Hexe]

exactly if amaral had just did a bit of police work and interviewed all the tourists in the are that night taken statements - find out where they where at the crucial time then maybe this person could have been found and and discounted.

it was his case his JOB to do some proper police work

But ypu know how difficult is to take statements from all the people in a tourist resort, where people come and go as they will? What was Amaral supposed to do, close all the town? Cut him some slack here.

 

[Cappuccino]

It is clear from his book that Amaral and his colleagues discounted Jane Tanner's "sighting" ages ago. Now I'm off to bed, so please excuse me if I don't reply any further.

Nobody spoke to the man before SY traced him, so on what grounds did they discount him? Telepathy?

The fact that they've turned out to be right doesn't excuse them for not looking in the first place, its just left a big red herring out there for 6 years.

 

[Cappuccino]

But ypu know how difficult is to take statements from all the people in a tourist resort, where people come and go as they will? What was Amaral supposed to do, close all the town? Cut him some slack here.

How about looking for the parents who had their children in the night creche that night? Interview them and see if any picked their children up around the same time as the JT sighting.

That's what SY seems to have done. I'm surprised it wasn't done six years ago.

 

[Donjeta]

I know what Jane Tanner said. She seems a bit suggestible, to say the least. So she was sure it was Madeleine once she'd heard the pyjamas described - anyone listening to that statement should have ignored what she was "sure of" and realised that all she'd actually seen were the pyjamas.

Yeah, there probably is a hint of suggestibility.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/7098703.stm

Last month the McCanns released artist's sketches of a man drawn by an FBI-trained forensic artist using details from Ms Tanner.

She had described the man she saw as aged about 35 to 40, 5ft 6in (1.7m) tall, and slim and the child he was carrying was described as wearing the same pyjamas as Madeleine.

The artist, commissioned by private detectives working for the McCanns, left the man's face blank as Ms Tanner was unsure about some details

So apparently the child she thinks she saw had Madeleine's pajamas on, and she was pretty sure about it, as otherwise it would have been left blank in the artist rendition.

Okay... but Madeleine's pajamas and the actual pajamas the child was really wearing are not very similar in reality.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cent-British-father-mistaken-key-suspect.html

It is not uncommon for eye witnesses to be suggestible and it's nothing to blame anyone for, it's just a factor of how human cognition works. A useful reminder.

 

[Cappuccino]

True. And its a thing to bear in mind with the Smith sighting as well. Mr Smith said in his second statement that he was sure the man he saw was Gerry McCann when he saw Gerry on television carrying one of the twins. When he said it to the rest of the family, the only one who agreed was his wife.

So that tells us that the man the Smith family saw bears some resemblance to GMcC but not necessarily that it was him.

 

[Donjeta]

True. And its a thing to bear in mind with the Smith sighting as well. Mr Smith said in his second statement that he was sure the man he saw was Gerry McCann when he saw Gerry on television carrying one of the twins. When he said it to the rest of the family, the only one who agreed was his wife.

So that tells us that the man the Smith family saw bears some resemblance to GMcC but not necessarily that it was him.

Yeah

It is also possible that the image of Gerry they had in their minds influenced the e.fits.

How many Smiths were there?

 

[Cappuccino]

There were nine of them, four adults and five children.

Whoever they saw must surely have seen them too, nine of them walking together all spread out across the street.

 

[Inana]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...leine-abducted-insists-Tapas-Nine-friend.html

Apparently she knew what she saw!

"I know what I saw. I think it's important that people know what I saw because I believe Madeleine was abducted."

Unfortunately, this link is for a November 2007, and since then the magazine was sued for lies and hyperbole against the McCanns and the Tapas 7. So, no offense, but not very reliable. The mccannfiles.com and mccannpjfiles.com have all of her official statements.

 

[Donjeta]

Unfortunately, this link is for a November 2007, and since then the magazine was sued for lies and hyperbole against the McCanns and the Tapas 7. So, no offense, but not very reliable. The mccannfiles.com and mccannpjfiles.com have all of her official statements.

It is a quote from the BBC Panorama show that the Mail just copy pasted. Just because they were sued doesn't mean they made absolutely everything up.

Panorama - Mystery of Madeleine McCann - Nov 19/2007 - YouTube
Fast forward to 41 minutes.

 

[Inana]

It is clear from his book that Amaral and his colleagues discounted Jane Tanner's "sighting" ages ago. Now I'm off to bed, so please excuse me if I don't reply any further.

G'night fftobed:

He discounted Jane's sighting because he took her for an ignorant twit. Not because he had actually done any research. I have yet to find in the evidence any sign that it was an officially closed tip. Until you do the paperwork, no job is over.


And there are pages and pages of those, many just say they couldn't find suspect car so lead is closed, or couldn't find so & so, again, just closed the lead. Very poor organization. Shooting from the hip.

Just a little reading material for you.
POLICIA JUDICIARA INVESTIGATORS
GNR INVESTIGATORS
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm

 

[Venom]

For goodness sake she never ever gave a positive id that it was maddie. She was always clear that she had a very fleeting view. If you can give a verifiable quote and link to her 100% id I would like to see it.

the abuse that she has received over the years has been disgusting

'I know what I saw': Jane Tanner, pictured here during the interview, is adamant that she saw Madeleine McCann being abducted

'I DID see Madeleine being abducted,' insists Tapas Nine friend

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...leine-abducted-insists-Tapas-Nine-friend.html

:dunno:


MADDIE kidnap witness Jane Tanner yesterday told how she watched the tot being snatched – and insisted she has NO doubt (1) about what she saw.

In an exclusive interview with The Sun – her first with any newspaper – Jane forcefully hit back at critics who have suggested she is lying.

Amid sobs, she said: "I DID see a man that night carrying away Madeleine.

"She WAS abducted."

Tears welling in her eyes, she went on: "I wake up to that image ever day. Every day I see him there, striding away, carrying Madeleine and I try desperately to remember more detail, what his face was like. (1)
"I think about it over and over again. It’s horrible.

http://thetapas9janetanner.blogspot.com/

 

[Linda7NJ]

It is a quote from the BBC Panorama show that the Mail just copy pasted. Just because they were sued doesn't mean they made absolutely everything up.

Panorama - Mystery of Madeleine McCann - Nov 19/2007 - YouTube
Fast forward to 41 minutes.

Exactly how far away was the room from where they dined? I've heard from 50 feet up to 200 yards.



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[Inana]

How about looking for the parents who had their children in the night creche that night? Interview them and see if any picked their children up around the same time as the JT sighting.

That's what SY seems to have done. I'm surprised it wasn't done six years ago.

Completely agree. I have done my reading and research, maybe not every piece, but a lot. I have never seen even a hint of the fact that there was more than one crèche at the Ocean Club. Not in old files, PJ files, Amaral's book. And I don't think that Amaral knew.

Maybe that's why he is saying that this is all a big "dog & pony" show.
IMO opinion, he should keep his low profile.

 

[Jmoose]

Completely agree. I have done my reading and research, maybe not every piece, but a lot. I have never seen even a hint of the fact that there was more than one crèche at the Ocean Club. Not in old files, PJ files, Amaral's book. And I don't think that Amaral knew.

Maybe that's why he is saying that this is all a big "dog & pony" show.
IMO opinion, he should keep his low profile.

Is it a second creche, or the same one the McCanns used earlier in the day? If the same, that might explain their reluctance to use it at night-their chidren would have spent something like 10 hours/day in the child care facility.

 

[Cappuccino]

An article written by David James Smith back in 2007 (I think?) mentions a night creche at the Ocean Club. I just found it when I was googling for info on the Smith family. It would be odd if a random British journalist knew, but Amaral didn't.

 

[Hexe]

Completely agree. I have done my reading and research, maybe not every piece, but a lot. I have never seen even a hint of the fact that there was more than one crèche at the Ocean Club. Not in old files, PJ files, Amaral's book. And I don't think that Amaral knew.

Maybe that's why he is saying that this is all a big "dog & pony" show.
IMO opinion, he should keep his low profile.

Praia da Luz is a tourist spot, with many hotels and places like Ocean Club. Estrela da Luz, Belavista da Luz, Aurora Sol, Waterside Village, to name just a few, most of them having creches. The man allegedly seen by Tanner was walking on the street OUTSIDE of the Ocean Club, and it is nowhere stated that he was returning his child from creche in the OC. So finding him was not that easy and I don't think that the police anywhere would have enough of people at hand to be able to check the creche registers in umpteen hotels, when they had so many other things to do and leads to check.

 

[Jmoose]

I am just not sure that it means a different facility-it might mean simply that the creche was operating at night. I'm surprsed that Amaral didn't realize that there was evening child care. How could it not have come up?

 

[Jmoose]

Praia da Luz is a tourist spot, with many hotels and places like Ocean Club. Estrela da Luz, Belavista da Luz, Aurora Sol, Waterside Village, to name just a few, most of them having creches. The man allegedly seen by Tanner was walking on the street OUTSIDE of the Ocean Club, and it is nowhere stated that he was returning his child from creche in the OC. So finding him was not that easy and I don't think that the police anywhere would have enough of people at hand to be able to check the creche registers in umpteen hotels, when they had so many other things to do and leads to check.

Thanks-that makes sense!

 

[Hexe]

I am just not sure that it means a different facility-it might mean simply that the creche was operating at night. I'm surprsed that Amaral didn't realize that there was evening child care. How could it not have come up?

But he knew it. It was the same creche that offered the daily care.