Why did Madeleine 'go missing'?

[Cappuccino]

Why would the rest of the tapas crew have to have known about it? It could have been just Kate and Gerry knew.

If they'd done something to her earlier, why would they let one of their friends go and check on the children at 9.30? Unless he was in on it, that was one helluva risk because they couldn't count on him not going into the room and taking a proper look, (even though, in fact, he didn't).

 

[Cherwell]

All this is entirely theoretical of course, but if there had been an accident of whatever kind, they might have sought help from one or more of their friends to try and resuscitate. Most of them were also doctors or medics, yes?

 

[Hexe]

Would the abduction really make them look better people than the truth about overdosing her?

You are kidding, right? Two doctors who sedate their kids, to be able to spend their night boozing in the bar, and then they OD their oldest kid... well this picture looks much much worse than two poor (and of course innocent) parents, who lost their kid by the hands of some swarthy boogeyman.

They're already massively frowned upon due to leaving three children alone in a foreign country, despite mass sympathy for the fate of a little girl.

They might have not be aware that it would be frowned upon. It was acceptable for them and for their friends, so why not for everyone else? People tend to measure others by their own yard stick.

 

[UKgirl]

All this is entirely theoretical of course, but if there had been an accident of whatever kind, they might have sought help from one or more of their friends to try and resuscitate. Most of them were also doctors or medics, yes?

How do you know they didnt. Kate said madeline was a difficult to control child. Accidents happen and I dont think it was on purpose. I believe now after reading tons of things that it was a punishment gone wrong. Both doctors so had to cover it up, they would lose the other children, careers, house, lifestyle they had alot to lose IMO. I still believe its all a coverup.

 

[UKgirl]

If they'd done something to her earlier, why would they let one of their friends go and check on the children at 9.30? Unless he was in on it, that was one helluva risk because they couldn't count on him not going into the room and taking a proper look, (even though, in fact, he didn't).

They had to still check on their own children and the twins also.

 

[Cappuccino]

They had to still check on their own children and the twins also.

I'm not seeing how that answers my question.

 

[liz b.]

If they'd done something to her earlier, why would they let one of their friends go and check on the children at 9.30? Unless he was in on it, that was one helluva risk because they couldn't count on him not going into the room and taking a proper look, (even though, in fact, he didn't).

Perhaps they were hoping someone else could "discover" that she was missing ? jmo moo

 

[Cherwell]

How do you know they didnt.

I don't know anything.

I was merely offering a plausible explanation on why the friend might have been "in on it", in response to the post above mine. All theoretical.

 

[Cappuccino]

Perhaps they were hoping someone else could "discover" that she was missing ? jmo moo

So you think they actually disposed of the body earlier that day, before dinner?

 

[Revolver]

You are kidding, right? Two doctors who sedate their kids, to be able to spend their night boozing in the bar, and then they OD their oldest kid... well this picture looks much much worse than two poor (and of course innocent) parents, who lost their kid by the hands of some swarthy boogeyman.



They might have not be aware that it would be frowned upon. It was acceptable for them and for their friends, so why not for everyone else? People tend to measure others by their own yard stick.

Neither picture looks good. I don't think they'd have concealed their child's body (SOMEHOW - surely an impossible task) to save their blushes. I don't see any motivation for them to have done it and they lack the know-how to have done it.

She was abducted. No doubt in my mind whatsoever.

 

[Hexe]

Neither picture looks good.

But the McCanss themselves look worse in the scenario where they kill theit child, accidentally overdosing the sedative. That would tarnish their reputation, could cost them their jobs, the custody over twins or even their freedom (I don't know Portuguese law, they didn't too so they could be afraid about getting some jailtime for a neglect or something). Plenty of motives here.

I don't think they'd have concealed their child's body (SOMEHOW - surely an impossible task) to save their blushes.

See, there is a problem. I don't know McCanns. I don't know what kind of people thay are so I can't assume what they would do and what not. I don't exclude the possibility of an intruder, but I cannot also exclude the McCanns just like that, because they look loke a nice, middle class couple. I don't know what they are capable of to defend their reputation and lifestyle.

I don't see any motivation for them to have done it and they lack the know-how to have done it.

Gerry was known to read some true crime literature, as far as I remember. Also the extensive knowledge is not required to hide a body effectively. If it was that difficult we wouldn't have here all these cases of the people missing without a trace.

Hipothetically speaking if McCans were able to find a place to stuff Maddie's body for the first few days, I don't know, a flowerbed, a freezer or what, after that they would have plenty of opportunities to transport her body away from PDL and hide her somewhere. They traveled a lot around Portugal and Spain, so finding some cave, cranny or just the bushes thick enough in the area secluded enough, would be a piece of cake.

 

[Donjeta]

Not saying they did anything but I have never understood why these two smart, educated people are frequently claimed to be so stupid that they couldn't dispose of a body.
It's not exactly rocket science to drop a trash bag in a dumpster, for example.

I would never dispose of anyone, of course, but I'd be mighty offended if people claimed it as a fact that I couldn't because I'm too dumb to know how.

And as for the motive, why do people usually hide bodies? Because there is evidence on them that they don't want found.

 

[Revolver]

But the McCanss themselves look worse in the scenario where they kill theit child, accidentally overdosing the sedative. That would tarnish their reputation, could cost them their jobs, the custody over twins or even their freedom (I don't know Portuguese law, they didn't too so they could be afraid about getting some jailtime for a neglect or something). Plenty of motives here.



See, there is a problem. I don't know McCanns. I don't know what kind of people thay are so I can't assume what they would do and what not. I don't exclude the possibility of an intruder, but I cannot also exclude the McCanns just like that, because they look loke a nice, middle class couple. I don't know what they are capable of to defend their reputation and lifestyle.



Gerry was known to read some true crime literature, as far as I remember. Also the extensive knowledge is not required to hide a body effectively. If it was that difficult we wouldn't have here all these cases of the people missing without a trace.

Hipothetically speaking if McCans were able to find a place to stuff Maddie's body for the first few days, I don't know, a flowerbed, a freezer or what, after that they would have plenty of opportunities to transport her body away from PDL and hide her somewhere. They traveled a lot around Portugal and Spain, so findink some cave, cranny or just the bushes thick enough in the area secluded enough, would be a piece of cake.

I appreciate that they would have lost their careers and custody of the children had they overdosed Madeleine, but I don't believe any non-psychopaths would think to concoct an abduction, stuff their dead child into a bag and bury them. Any 'the McCanns did it' line of thought really does rely on them being mentally unstable and morally bankrupt. It's possible, but to do what they would have to have done really would make them extreme psychopaths. Would they have pushed for this latest appeal?

Seriously, I can't imagine any way that they could have hidden the body - especially given that this was in foreign land. The only real way would have been to go out into deep sea and they would surely have not been able to do this without media attention. Was the land not scoured by dogs? How far could they have taken her? She would have turned up.

I don't follow your theory, tbh. There was a media frenzy surrounding them. They couldn't have waited a few days and then moved her. Impossible. Unless one of the friends did it, but that's another morally bankrupt psychopath into the mix!

She was abducted by a paedophile ring who had been observing their routine for days and had checked the apartment numerous times. She was either trafficked into distant rural areas away from the mass media's globalisation (somewhere in Eastern Europe, or perhaps Africa/India) or killed (more likely) upon realisation of the global frenzy and her distinctive image. IMO. The McCanns are a bit odd and I give you that. They appear very cold at times, there are certainly inconsistencies, and I think they may have misled certain elements of the investigation to protect themselves, but they didn't kill Madeleine.

 

[goldengirl57]

Not saying they did anything but I have never understood why these two smart, educated people are frequently claimed to be so stupid that they couldn't dispose of a body.
It's not exactly rocket science to drop a trash bag in a dumpster, for example.

I would never dispose of anyone, of course, but I'd be mighty offended if people claimed it as a fact that I couldn't because I'm too dumb to know how.

And as for the motive, why do people usually hide bodies? Because there is evidence on them that they don't want found.

I could easily hide a body lol..put one in the recycle bin and rubbish on top, the bin men just load the bin onto the tipper and up it goes into the back....of the rubbish lorry.

Just kidding.

There was talk of someone turning up at a pet crematorium, and also I wonder what happened to the statement by the taxi driver who's son is a policemen he swore 3 people (i think it was 3), got into his taxi with a young blond girl and he said he saw her eye and it was maddy, and the lady he said was Mrs McCann.

I am just waiting for more of these sightings to turn up.

Oh yeh what about Mr McCann taking the twins to the beach with a suitcase?

so much stuff eeeeek.

I would think a child sadly is easily to move and hide poor maddy i feel gutted we have got no further with her disappearance. Poor baby.

Do you remember the child they found in the swamps in a blue box, they thought it had come from the sea and did DNA for maddy in the states.....

No so many places you can hide a tiny body sadly......doesnt bear thinking about.

 

[Linda7NJ]

If they'd done something to her earlier, why would they let one of their friends go and check on the children at 9.30? Unless he was in on it, that was one helluva risk because they couldn't count on him not going into the room and taking a proper look, (even though, in fact, he didn't).

It simply means someone else would have discovered she was missing.


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[Cappuccino]

It simply means someone else would have discovered she was missing.


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Which pre-supposed that she was not only dead, but already disposed of before they sat down to dinner that night. Not sure how that fits in with their timeline?

 

[Hexe]

I appreciate that they would have lost their careers and custody of the children had they overdosed Madeleine, but I don't believe any non-psychopaths would think to concoct an abduction, stuff their dead child into a bag and bury them.

Ah, we are again at the point zero. You assumed that the McCanns are non-psychopaths. How can you be so sure about it?

Any 'the McCanns did it' line of thought really does rely on them being mentally unstable and morally bankrupt. It's possible, but to do what they would have to have done really would make them extreme psychopaths. Would they have pushed for this latest appeal?

Psychopaths and egocentrist usually love attention, you know. And, to be honest if someone leaves their kid alone for the night again, after that kid asked "where you were when I cried last night?" well, the morals and mentality of such a person are highly questionable for me.

Seriously, I can't imagine any way that they could have hidden the body - especially given that this was in foreign land. The only real way would have been to go out into deep sea and they would surely have not been able to do this without media attention. Was the land not scoured by dogs? How far could they have taken her? She would have turned up.

They drove to Fatima, they drove to Spain. Plenty of land to hide one little body.

I don't follow your theory, tbh. There was a media frenzy surrounding them. They couldn't have waited a few days and then moved her. Impossible. Unless one of the friends did it, but that's another morally bankrupt psychopath into the mix!

Oh, but they could. They traveled around, completely alone. Nobody watched them. Not even media.

She was abducted by a paedophile ring who had been observing their routine for days and had checked the apartment numerous times. She was either trafficked into distant rural areas away from the mass media's globalisation (somewhere in Eastern Europe, or perhaps Africa/India)

Smuggling little, blonde girls to the Eastern Europe is like carrying wood to the forest. Seriously.

 

[UKgirl]

I don't know anything.

I was merely offering a plausible explanation on why the friend might have been "in on it", in response to the post above mine. All theoretical.

We are actually thinking the same thing. Me not reading post properly:facepalm:

 

[UKgirl]

Why did they rent that car after madeline was missing. Usually if you were going to rent a car wouldnt it have been the first day of the holiday.

 

[chlban]

Revolver;9903754sense.

They overdose their daughter and find her dead. Or she falls off the sofa and breaks her neck - another theory. Why would people seriously cover this kind of event up with a feigned abduction, have to somehow dispose of the body despite having constant media on their back (someone on here suggested they hired a deep sea boat! In the midst of the global media frenzy, Kate and Gerry board a deep sea boat unbeknownst to any soul, clutching body bag in hand!)

Why cover it? Let's see.

So they are not charged with criminal negligence, possibly Mansalughter or 2nd. degree murder if the drugging took place, or whatever Portugal's equivalent may be?

So not to have their careers ruined?

So not to lose custody of their other children?

So as not to be vilified even more than they currently are because the negligence would be even more difficult to defend?

So as to appear to be "victims" thereby gathering sympathy from many, which has obviouosly worked as proven on any one of these threads. If they admitted their part in it, all this intruder nonsense would not be bantered about would it?

And maintain a six year public presentation to feign trying to find her?

While I don't think that part was pre planned it has worked out far better than they ever could have imagined. They have become celebrities, tragic hero's, and made quite a tidy bundle on top of it, all funds being for the "search" :floorlaugh:

It's ridiculous. There is no way they could have done it. Where would they have hidden her?

I don't know. I also don't know where Kyron Horman's body is or Trenton Duckett or Lisa Irwin. I think that's why they call it hiding

Could the abduction really make them look better people than the truth about overdosing her?

Gee, let me think. If I think parents drugged their child for their convenience or I believe that the child was abducted, which parent would I think looks better?
:seeya: I've got it now. The parents whose child was abducted definitely look better,

They're already massively frowned upon due to leaving three children alone in a foreign country, despite mass sympathy for the fate of a little girl.

Yes, but they are not in prison, have not lost their jobs, their money, their other children, they are celebrities with more money now than they had when Maddie disappeared.

Have they been entirely truthful? I don't think so. Was Madeleine really abducted? Yes

Why on earth would innocent parents whose child had been abducted not be entirely truthful? Wouldn't innocent parents want to be sure that every single detail was conveyed so that LE had everything they needed to find their abducted child?