Why did Madeleine 'go missing'?

[goldengirl57]

I cant start a new thread but it would be interesting if we could have a thread on HOW the abductor took Madeleine. Some brain storming for not against.

I have never seen anything written in any forum on how the abductor did it.....

 

[blefuscu]

That's because no abductor took her and there's no evidence of one.

 

[chlban]

Twice - don't forget the practise timeline.

Shades of the Ramsey - it's their version of the ransom note.

If

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Yes, but you have to give the McCanns credit. They learned the number one rule from the Ramsey's mistake. If you want to fake a convincing kidnapping, make sure you get rid of the body.

 

[Gem2626]

That's because no abductor took her and there's no evidence of one.

There's no evidence that the McCanns killed her! There is far more likely to be solid evidence of the McCann's killing her than than there is of an abductor.

I don't understand what you want. Someone was watching them, knew they were leaving the kids alone, took advantage of that, walked in, took Madeleine and off they went. This would have taken minutes.

What evidence would you expect specifically?

Why do you ignore that this has happened before and no evidence has been left.

Why do you ignore that Scotland yard believe that she was abducted.

 

[Gem2626]

Yes, but you have to give the McCanns credit. They learned the number one rule from the Ramsey's mistake. If you want to fake a convincing kidnapping, make sure you get rid of the body.[/QUOTE]

How, where and when? They were in a foreign country and had very little opportunity to get rid of a body and bury it so well that it's never been found.

I'd like a plausible theory to this.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes, but you have to give the McCanns credit. They learned the number one rule from the Ramsey's mistake. If you want to fake a convincing kidnapping, make sure you get rid of the body.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. And don't overdo it with a note


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[Jmoose]

There's no evidence that the McCanns killed her! There is far more likely to be solid evidence of the McCann's killing her than than there is of an abductor.

I don't understand what you want. Someone was watching them, knew they were leaving the kids alone, took advantage of that, walked in, took Madeleine and off they went. This would have taken minutes.

What evidence would you expect specifically?

Why do you ignore that this has happened before and no evidence has been left.

Why do you ignore that Scotland yard believe that she was abducted.

How about some fingerprints? Did they ever find any besides those of the McCann family or the housekeepers? I don't know about you guys, but the housecleaners I am familiar with clean doorknobs when they clean so there isn't likely to be any from former tenants, and the other people who checked on the children could have been fingerprinted to rule them out

 

[Gem2626]

How about some fingerprints? Did they ever find any besides those of the McCann family or the housekeepers? I don't know about you guys, but the housecleaners I am familiar with clean doorknobs when they clean so there isn't likely to be any from former tenants, and the other people who checked on the children could have been fingerprinted to rule them out

Yes they did
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm#p4p967

The forensic report doesn't mention the outside of the window and the inside of the shutters ever being examined or the doorknobs.

The cleaners statement.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_CLEANER.htm

As i've said before on here The abductor would have been in and out and I imagine clever enough not to leave prints anywhere. I've already linked to a case on here where a girl was abducted from her bedroom and there was no evidence of an abduction.

 

[blefuscu]

There's no evidence that the McCanns killed her! There is far more likely to be solid evidence of the McCann's killing her than than there is of an abductor.

I don't understand what you want. Someone was watching them, knew they were leaving the kids alone, took advantage of that, walked in, took Madeleine and off they went. This would have taken minutes.

What evidence would you expect specifically?

Why do you ignore that this has happened before and no evidence has been left.

Why do you ignore that Scotland yard believe that she was abducted.

If someone was watching them why was that person not seen watching them. The apartment can't be watched without someone being seen.

Why do you believe a couple who are proven liars?

 

[blefuscu]

Yes they did
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm#p4p967

The forensic report doesn't mention the outside of the window and the inside of the shutters ever being examined or the doorknobs.

The cleaners statement.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_CLEANER.htm

As i've said before on here The abductor would have been in and out and I imagine clever enough not to leave prints anywhere. I've already linked to a case on here where a girl was abducted from her bedroom and there was no evidence of an abduction.

The abductor apparently was able to climb out of a 3 foot high window carrying a 4 year old, without waking the child, or the other children, without leaving any fingerprints on the frame, without leaving any fibre traces, without being seen by overlooking flats. He also managed to close and secure the shutters, from the inside afterwards. Impressive!

 

[Gem2626]

If someone was watching them why was that person not seen watching them. The apartment can't be watched without someone being seen.

Why do you believe a couple who are proven liars?

Link to support this claim please.

On foot, in a vehicle or in a nearby apartment. Someone who had seen the McCanns dining without the children every night and put two and two together.

If someone was watching them then of course they wouldn't have let themselves be seen. So saying why didn't someone see them is a bit strange.

Please PROVIDE LINKS that directly show that the McCanns have lied.

People keep saying it but they never back up their claims.

 

[blefuscu]

I gave you links. About the jemmied window.

Also look at the different ways they have talked about Madeleine's "coloboma", you can find the evidence of this on google.

 

[blefuscu]

Link to support this claim please.

On foot, in a vehicle or in a nearby apartment. Someone who had seen the McCanns dining without the children every night and put two and two together.

If someone was watching them then of course they wouldn't have let themselves be seen. So saying why didn't someone see them is a bit strange.

Please PROVIDE LINKS that directly show that the McCanns have lied.

People keep saying it but they never back up their claims.

Ariel view of the resort.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/imagelib...rpictures/oceanclubmap.jpg&target=tlx_picjut4

Surrounded by other apartments

 

[Gem2626]

Ariel view of the resort.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/imagelib...rpictures/oceanclubmap.jpg&target=tlx_picjut4

Surrounded by other apartments

What?

How is an aerial view of the local area supposed to prove that someone couldn't have been watching them? :waitasec:

 

[Jmoose]

Yes they did
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FINGERPRINTS.htm#p4p967

The forensic report doesn't mention the outside of the window and the inside of the shutters ever being examined or the doorknobs.

The cleaners statement.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_CLEANER.htm

As i've said before on here The abductor would have been in and out and I imagine clever enough not to leave prints anywhere. I've already linked to a case on here where a girl was abducted from her bedroom and there was no evidence of an abduction.

Hmmm-absence of evidence of an abductor in the villa means he was too clever to leave any, and absence of evidence that the mcCanns harmed their daughter means they didn't do it...I don't think that's clean logic

 

[Gem2626]

Hmmm-absence of evidence of an abductor in the villa means he was too clever to leave any, and absence of evidence that the mcCanns harmed their daughter means they didn't do it...I don't think that's clean logic

The difference is that an abductor would take minutes to get Madeleine and get out and take her wherever. For the McCanns to have done it would have been waaaaay more complicated than that.

That's why when you ask people for a theory on how and when the McCann's killed Madeleine they can't give one. The usual response is 'I don't know how they did it but they did' and then as long as something makes the McCann's look bad then it's true despite the fact that it contradicts something else that's apparently true as well.

 

[blefuscu]

What?

How is an aerial view of the local area supposed to prove that someone couldn't have been watching them? :waitasec:

I know you are being deliberately obtuse, but it shows that their apartment was overlooked. Amazing that no-one spots a strange person hanging around.

 

[Gem2626]

I know you are being deliberately obtuse, but it shows that their apartment was overlooked. Amazing that no-one spots a strange person hanging around.

No i'm not. I said someone could have been hiding in a bush or something/ in their car/ even in one of those apartments. I doubt the neighbours were looking out their windows 24/7. Children have been successfully abducted from their bedrooms with others in the house.

Scotland Yard are investigating an abduction. They clearly think that it is possible that Madeleine was abducted.

 

[~n/t~]

The difference is that an abductor would take minutes to get Madeleine and get out and take her wherever. For the McCanns to have done it would have been waaaaay more complicated than that.

That's why when you ask people for a theory on how and when the McCann's killed Madeleine they can't give one. The usual response is 'I don't know how they did it but they did' and then as long as something makes the McCann's look bad then it's true despite the fact that it contradicts something else that's apparently true as well.

IMO if the parents are involved, it would have happened before the dinner. Still questioning that call. It's been a while so I would have to check the timeline to refresh my memory.

 

[blefuscu]

Sorry, but that's just speculation on your part Gem!

Link to Scotland Yard believing it abduction. Preferably direct from Scotland Yard as you don't like the media.