Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #36

[bellyup]

Who would determine the need for her to testify or not? Would she have any say in that? I guess the reason I ask is pondering the idea that she may actually want to testify.

Yes. Victims of violent crimes are nearly always given victims advocates. I've volunteered and received training as one.

The job of the advocate is to provide information, resources, emotional support and to make sure that the victims voice is heard. They are to advocate on behalf of the victim so they aren't drowned out by what LE, the family, friends, etc. tell them they "should" or "have to" do. They may accompany them to medical appointments for examinations, to court, to trial. The goal is to avoid re-traumatizing a trauma survivor and allowing the advocate to be their voice so they don't have to do anything they aren't ok with.

I am CERTAIN that Jayme will be assigned a victims advocate if she hasn't already met them already. Often times, police won't even speak to a victim of such a heinous crime until one arrives.

Jayme will be given the option to NEVER testify. To testify via alternate ways than in person (video, writing, a therapist, etc.) or to take the stand herself and her word is law in that matter. You CANNOT make a victim testify, it's illegal.

As a side note ; Prosecutors may decide to not pursue charges that would require Jayme's testimony in which case she wouldn't be called to testify BUT she would still be afforded her right to make a victims impact statement so that if she wants the court to hear her, she can.

 

[JenniD]

Here you go. Sheriff: Closs ‘targeted’ by 21-year-old suspect with no... Jayme told Nutter that Patterson was gone in his red car and was expected to be back around midnight, though she wasn’t certain when he would return. The call log states that Jayme told the woman Patterson didn’t work, used to be in the military and “turns the radio up and sometimes has people come over while he is gone.”

Thanks for finding that. RED car. Hmmm

 

[tiffkinsadder]

Good evening! I hope everyone is having a relaxing weekend.

If I repost I’m sorry.

48 hours 9 pm central time will be about Jayme. On cbs network.

Continued prayers for her always.

 

[MassGuy]

He may have tried but failed. If he made it even one day i think he would embellish bragging to his kidnapped victim who was a very naive 13 year old child.

I wouldn't be surprised either if he told her he carried out the murders and kidnapping like a secret mission he pretended he had done in his fantasy long years of military life.

I think he fed her a lot of outlandish lies.

If he planned it it was probably from playing and watching video games.

It seems if he had really served in the military for any length of time the neighbors or others who say they that knew family would have already commented. Plus the media would have found his military photo by now. Imo

Exactly. I think this was more fantasy than reality.

Video games or enlistment wouldn’t have created this fantasy, but they would have fed it.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Could she, as a minor child, testify and be cross-examined per live video and not be in the courtroom with him, ever?

It's different in every state. This is what I found for Wisconsin.

"(7) (a) In any criminal prosecution or any proceeding under ch. 48 or 938, any party may move the court to order that a deposition of a child who has been or is likely to be called as a witness be taken by audiovisual means. Upon notice and hearing, the court may issue an order for such a deposition if the trial or hearing in which the child may be called will commence:
1. Prior to the child's 12th birthday; or
967.04(7)(a)2.
2. Prior to the child's 16th birthday and the court finds that the interests of justice warrant that the child's testimony be prerecorded for use at the trial or hearing under par. (b).
(b) Among the factors which the court may consider in determining the interests of justice are any of the following:
1. The child's chronological age, level of development and capacity to comprehend the significance of the events and to verbalize about them.
2. The child's general physical and mental health.
3. Whether the events about which the child will testify constituted criminal or antisocial conduct against the child or a person with whom the child had a close emotional relationship and, if the conduct constituted a battery or a sexual assault, its duration and the extent of physical or emotional injury thereby caused.
4. The child's custodial situation and the attitude of other household members to the events about which the child will testify and to the underlying proceeding.
5. The child's familial or emotional relationship to those involved in the underlying proceeding.
6. The child's behavior at or reaction to previous interviews concerning the events involved.
7. Whether the child blames himself or herself for the events involved or has ever been told by any person not to disclose them; whether the child's prior reports to associates or authorities of the events have been disbelieved or not acted upon; and the child's subjective belief regarding what consequences to himself or herself, or persons with whom the child has a close emotional relationship, will ensue from providing testimony.
8. Whether the child manifests or has manifested symptoms associated with posttraumatic stress disorder or other mental disorders, including, without limitation, reexperiencing the events, fear of their repetition, withdrawal, regression, guilt, anxiety, stress, nightmares, enuresis, lack of self-esteem, mood changes, compulsive behaviors, school problems, delinquent or antisocial behavior, phobias or changes in interpersonal relationships.
9. The number of separate investigative, administrative and judicial proceedings at which the child's testimony may be required, the likely length of time until the last such proceeding, and the mental or emotional strain associated with keeping the child's recollection of the events witnessed fresh for that period of time.
10. Whether the use of a recorded deposition would reduce the mental or emotional strain of testifying and whether the deposition could be used to reduce the number of times the child will be required to testify."
BBM
More info can be found here: Wisconsin Legislature: 967.04(7)(a)2.

 

[Pharmasgirl]

It was only 3 years ago that he graduated in a class of 34 teens.
Only 46 homes in the South Eau Claire Acres - and only a handful of those are permanent residences.
The constable did not know the family.
No friends at high school, a loner.

Perhaps his closest friend was his brother.

His parents moved out, brother moved out of state, unknown sister location. No mention of any other family members.

And no one knew much about him or his family.

And where would he go since he didn’t work? Not the local bar.

What is the major employer in Gordon?

Link Bros in Minong is the major employer in the area otherwise you’re driving to Duluth or Superior or Hayward...there is no major employment of any kind in Gordon. Mostly consists of resorts w bars & one golf course out past the ECA.

 

[Doghairrules]

I followed the ES case closely at the time. Elizabeth Smart dealt with her ordeal quickly. She did a Katie Couric interview within a week or so of her return. She was amazingly strong and, according to her, empowered by her faith. ES is now part of the MeToo movement that encourages survivors to tell their stories.

Amanda Berry and Gina DeJesus also told their stories (sans sexual assault "details), within 2 years.

I pray by some miracle JC was spared sexual assault.

I don't think the general public wants to hear details of anyone's rape, especially that of a child. I think people just want to know if rape was involved.

Elizabeth Smart didn’t talk to Katie until 7 months after her rescue.

Bringing Elizabeth Smart home

 

[tiffkinsadder]

@Tim Constas I appreciated the article you shared:

Sheriff: Closs ‘targeted’ by 21-year-old suspect with no...

For me because of the comment from Elizabeth Smart.

May all missing be found.

Prayers.

 

[bellyup]

They can't refuse to allow her to be cross examined. We have a constitutional right to face our accusers and question them. But some courts allow certain protections. And a defense counsel would be insane to upset a child victim/witness on the stand.

The "accuser" in this case is the state prosecutor.
You have a constitutional right to face the state that is accusing you.
You DO NOT have the constitutional right to face your victim and you cannot force a victim to testify.

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

She may mean the doorbell rang when he was out...

Maybe his buddy’s came over to play video games and hang out. Jayme could have been in the basement and they wouldn’t know.

 

[bellyup]

When he is gone or home??? Strange.

I do NOT like the feeling this just gave me.

 

[stephlovescheese]

It's different in every state. This is what I found for Wisconsin.

"(7) (a) In any criminal prosecution or any proceeding under ch. 48 or 938, any party may move the court to order that a deposition of a child who has been or is likely to be called as a witness be taken by audiovisual means. Upon notice and hearing, the court may issue an order for such a deposition if the trial or hearing in which the child may be called will commence:
1. Prior to the child's 12th birthday; or
967.04(7)(a)2.
2. Prior to the child's 16th birthday and the court finds that the interests of justice warrant that the child's testimony be prerecorded for use at the trial or hearing under par. (b).
(b) Among the factors which the court may consider in determining the interests of justice are any of the following:
1. The child's chronological age, level of development and capacity to comprehend the significance of the events and to verbalize about them.
2. The child's general physical and mental health.
3. Whether the events about which the child will testify constituted criminal or antisocial conduct against the child or a person with whom the child had a close emotional relationship and, if the conduct constituted a battery or a sexual assault, its duration and the extent of physical or emotional injury thereby caused.
4. The child's custodial situation and the attitude of other household members to the events about which the child will testify and to the underlying proceeding.
5. The child's familial or emotional relationship to those involved in the underlying proceeding.
6. The child's behavior at or reaction to previous interviews concerning the events involved.
7. Whether the child blames himself or herself for the events involved or has ever been told by any person not to disclose them; whether the child's prior reports to associates or authorities of the events have been disbelieved or not acted upon; and the child's subjective belief regarding what consequences to himself or herself, or persons with whom the child has a close emotional relationship, will ensue from providing testimony.
8. Whether the child manifests or has manifested symptoms associated with posttraumatic stress disorder or other mental disorders, including, without limitation, reexperiencing the events, fear of their repetition, withdrawal, regression, guilt, anxiety, stress, nightmares, enuresis, lack of self-esteem, mood changes, compulsive behaviors, school problems, delinquent or antisocial behavior, phobias or changes in interpersonal relationships.
9. The number of separate investigative, administrative and judicial proceedings at which the child's testimony may be required, the likely length of time until the last such proceeding, and the mental or emotional strain associated with keeping the child's recollection of the events witnessed fresh for that period of time.
10. Whether the use of a recorded deposition would reduce the mental or emotional strain of testifying and whether the deposition could be used to reduce the number of times the child will be required to testify."
BBM
More info can be found here: Wisconsin Legislature: 967.04(7)(a)2.

Great searching @BlinkOfAnI ! Thank you!

 

[cluciano63]

I know some people who sent their 17-yr old to a military-like school, for wayward teens...that is what I am picturing. It was kind of a last ditch effort.

 

[LietKynes]

I do NOT like the feeling this just gave me.

^^^^ Why ?

Like there's more to the case that LE isn't divulging ?
As in important evidence ?
One thing is certain ... LE did not 'rescue' her.

 

[bellyup]

Edited to remove talk about SA per post below.

I wanted to comment on these photos. It's so great to see them, but I hope someone is working with them on how to proceed. I think it's weird that these photos are in People. I worry about exploitation and also Jayme being a sort of public figure now. Were others, such as Elizabeth Smart, in magazines right after she was found? Maybe I' being overprotective.

I actually have been wondering the same and have been concerned about Jayme. I hope that Fitzgerald will let us know SOON that Jayme has a well prepared victims advocate and psychological team working with her.

 

[margarita25]

Hi I’m sorry I’m trying to keep up here, unfortunately time is not permitting this for me atm, I hate to just jump in as I’m sure you guys have discussed this a lot, but I have a question. Can somebody please lend some insight/summarize what you guys have figured out about the discrepancies between the reports of “door kicked in” and, as it’s been confirmed now, “door shot in”? Thanks very much in advance.

 

[Doghairrules]

Great photos and great post!!! That’s one epic aunt....

And I think it will be to Jayme’s advantage that this aunt was already a caregiver to her before all this happened.

 

[Pretty Go Pale]

He'll never, ever, ever see general population.

Really? Jeffrey Dahmer did, in Wisconsin, and he was arguably much more notorious than Patterson.

 

[PommyMommy]

Chance encounter on a back road cracked the Jayme Closs case
The 911 dispatcher was skeptical.

“I think 911 thought I was lying, because there was that whole false story that happened just hours prior,” KK said. “I kept saying, ‘This is for real, she’s sitting in my room. She knows details, this is for real!’ ”

Jayme told the K's that her captor’s name was JP.

She said Patterson had kept her in his cabin, hiding her when people stopped by. He left her alone that day, she said, telling her he’d be back at midnight.

Sometime after, she made her break.

‘My God. I know him.’

The Patterson name rang a bell with KK, a science teacher at Northwood School in the next county.

My God, she thought. “I know him,” she exclaimed. “I’ve had that student.”

Acting on the information Jayme provided, police found Patterson within five minutes. He was driving his car along area roads.

Police believe he was looking for Jayme.

Saturday afternoon, the day after seeing the 13-year-old granddaughter he feared might be gone forever, “Grandpa Red” pulled a green ribbon off the mailbox in front of his house in Cornell, not far from Barron.

Earlier, he had taken the “Bring” off a sign that used to read: “Bring Jayme Home.”

After spending three months worrying about her — bringing back an ulcer, he said — RN could rest easy. Finally, he knew his granddaughter was safe.

 

[klind55]

No...you can be discharged for adjustment issues within a certain amount of time from graduating boot....or during boot I assume. It's called an ELS discharge. It's a separation like you never joined the military at all.
Thankfully it doesn't seem he was one of The Few...The Proud.

Thankyou! Glad I asked because I had no clue!