AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

[Mom24]

The article clearly states that Jim was at work.

It does now. They edited it after they realized they'd made a mistake.
Investigators no closer to finding missing teen Jayme Closs whose parents were found dead in Wisconsin home
"Editor's Note: A previous version of this article stated James Closs was at the family gathering in Barron, Wisconsin on Sunday, October 14. James Closs was not at the family gathering; he was at work. "

 

[OhThatVictoria]

Edit: Sorry ~ this is in response to the comment re: including the salmonella cases derived from pet food. Having issues w/bells and whistle usage on my Ipad. Also edited for spelling. Also corrected the number of states affected over one year vs four months. : /


To expand on why the pet food info was included, last July the warnings from the CDC and FDA were predicated on the raw turkey used in pet/dog food. Manufacturers of pet food in MN were identified. Then, the number of salmonella cases after July 2018 jumped significantly as salmonella was also being identified in raw turkey products consumed by humans. Different sourcing / plants now in the human food chain. Here’s a comparison:

Total Cases reported Nov 2017-July 2018: 164 (23 states)
Salmonella cases reported in Nov 2017 - July 2018: 90 (35 states)
Salmonella cases reported July-October 2018: 74 (45% increase in just four months to include a dozen more states)

The FDA release in July 2018 only addressed manufacturing locations for pet food. By November 2018, CDC indicates that a single origin could not be identified so problem is potentially industry-wide (no one manufacturer identified as a source).

An outbreak this close to the biggest sales period of the year is bad news for the industry. Sourcing to any one manufacturer is a tremendous liability. It’s also interesting to note that not one case was “reported” in Wisconsin.

 

[1987]

Also, what would make a person decide to commit such a crime when there is a good chance of the homeowner having a gun? Seems risky.
I'm not making any conclusions or assumptions.
After reading your post, that thought came to mind.

not that we are going to be told but I would like to know if either parent had gun shot residue on their hands. I am wondering IF either could have fired back at the killer. no gun found does not equal no gun had. moo.

 

[Stunned]

not that we are going to be told but I would like to know if either parent had gun shot residue on their hands. I am wondering IF either could have fired back at the killer. no gun found does not equal no gun had. moo.

I thought it was reported the father owned guns and they were not found.

 

[Bugurl747]

I think that is important to keep in mind, too. How you, personally, would react to a situation is not necessarily the way that the people in the crime reacted. We don't have the information, upbringing, personalities, or life experiences that the people involved had/have. Someone may think, "Well I wouldn't have opened the door" but that doesn't mean that the Closses wouldn't. Where I live now people would do much like your father would've done. We still don't lock our doors most of the time. The other night I took my daughter to her school carnival and we left the car door wide open for 3 hours. My husband once returned to his car and found his wallet in the front seat with a note. He'd apparently dropped it and someone found it. They looked at his driver's license, realized who he was, and then scouted out our (unlocked) car and placed it inside for him. Nothing was missing. Naturally, when I lived in much bigger places, this would have been unheard of.

It's not like we're stupid or naive or don't have crime, or don't think that bad things can happen here. The culture of a place, and our history with it, is sometimes much stronger than the fear, though.

Great post, well said! My husband and I have very different approaches to matters like this and it is due to how we were raised, where we were raised, and our personal experiences.

 

[Medstudies]

Do,they train year round, weather permitting?

I’m not the person you were directly asking, but most run year round. Training varies somewhat but as a rule, running is encouraged year round for cardio/endurance.

(Looking at my kids running logs from high school: they logged at least 50 miles a week off season to more than a hundred miles a week at peak)

 

[Quill]

This article says Jim was at the party and theY have Jayme’s phone?

They have corrected the error in the current article. It now says he was at work and they have clarified the error in a bolded statement at the end of the article.

 

[mtnlites]

The article clearly states that Jim was at work.

It did NOT say that when the article was first released. A retraction and addition came later. When the article first made its way onto the board, it said that James was at the party. That has since changed. @human was referring to the first edition

 

[1987]

I thought it was reported the father owned guns and they were not found.

I don't think we have been told what is and isn't found. we just know jayme is gone.

 

[Quill]

They did not arrive from the party to their home by teleport. They know nothing of what happened. For all they know, Denise picked someone up they saw walking and brought that person home. How could LE possibly know eveything that happened on the drive home. Maybe they stopped at the perp’s isolated home for some benign reason.

Except that her sister spoke with her that night at 8:30.

 

[mtnlites]

I thought it was reported the father owned guns and they were not found.

It was reported that no guns were found (or it may have used the word "weapons") but it wasn't clear if they were referring to the perp's gun, the family's gun, or general guns. I remember us having a discussion about that a couple of days ago.

 

[katsrfun]

Hi, all. I don't want to be the pessimistic person here, but how are they ever going to find these people. There are no witnesses, no vehicles identified, no one aware of anyone angry at the family. The LE has said they are no farther along than ever. There has been no sighting of Jamie. It seems to have been planned, because they must have a very secure place to hide her. What if they took her to a far away place to hide her. People might not even be aware to look for her. I am not LE, so I don't know what capabilities they have that are not public knowledge, but in my limited ability, I can only imagine all the scenarios explored her, and don't know of any definitive way to find her, with all the options to where she may be. I hope to God I am wrong, and I pray for her safe return, but I just can't imagine, with so few clues available how they will find this unfortunate young lady. Thanks, all. Katt

 

[Mom24]

Do,they train year round, weather permitting?

My kids did xcountry and track/field. xcountry practices during the summer for high school, for middle school they began practicing a couple of weeks before school started. Most kids do both xcountry and track/field, so they practice throughout the school year. But if you only do xcountry, the practices stop after the last race (ours was also the end of of Oct.) Xcountry is different than track and field, it's not run on a track, it's run out in the open so to train kids run for long distances. The route has areas that are hidden while the kids are running a race. Races are held at farms, hiking trails, we even had meets at golf courses. So kids train in a variety of areas to improve their stamina and to prepare for uneven ground and hills...lots of hills. If Jayme ran Xcountry and did track she would have trained year round. If not, it would have ended in October.

 

[MassGuy]

Hi, all. I don't want to be the pessimistic person here, but how are they ever going to find these people. There are no witnesses, no vehicles identified, no one aware of anyone angry at the family. The LE has said they are no farther along than ever. There has been no sighting of Jamie. It seems to have been planned, because they must have a very secure place to hide her. What if they took her to a far away place to hide her. People might not even be aware to look for her. I am not LE, so I don't know what capabilities they have that are not public knowledge, but in my limited ability, I can only imagine all the scenarios explored her, and don't know of any definitive way to find her, with all the options to where she may be. I hope to God I am wrong, and I pray for her safe return, but I just can't imagine, with so few clues available how they will find this unfortunate young lady. Thanks, all. Katt

Things aren’t looking good right now, but all of that can change very quickly.

One lab result, one witness statement, one person saying too much, there’s lots of ways this case can go from freezing cold, to red hot.

LE seems to have made the right moves here, and most importantly, made them from the very beginning.

They reached out to state and federal agencies early on, and have benefited from their expertise and resources.

Sometimes the evidence just isn’t there right away.

 

[carbuff]

as I understand what we know it would seem that it could have been more of attempting to hold a door shut not answering the door. moo.

Yeah, that's what I kind of picture in my head. Maybe opened the door, saw it wasn't good, and tried to shut it again, or somebody left the house and came back with a gun.

 

[Mom24]

Yeah, that's what I kind of picture in my head. Maybe opened the door, saw it wasn't good, and tried to shut it again, or somebody left the house and came back with a gun.

Thank you! I never thought of that before. I kept wondering how someone can answer a door and have it broken down. D'oh, slapping myself upside my thick head.

 

[mtnlites]

Great post, well said! My husband and I have very different approaches to matters like this and it is due to how we were raised, where we were raised, and our personal experiences.

When I first started dating my husband, I was surprised to see that every time he left his vehicle he actually popped out the whole entertainment system (the front popped off and it wouldn't work without that part). I attended college in one of the biggest cities in the country so it wasn't like I'd always lived in a small town, but I'd never seen that before. When my mother-in-law came to visit, she was shocked to see that we never locked our cars here. (In the bigger towns, sure. In my town, no.) In 40 years my car has been broken into one time and the only thing that went missing was some Halloween candy, ha ha.

I mean, most everyone in my area has some kind of firearm at home (it takes local LE almost 30 minutes to reach us and that's only if they're in town) so breaking in on anyone would be risking it. We're not THAT lackadaisical about our safety.

I do know people who automatically grab their guns or at least put them nearby when they get a knock on their door late at night (like, after midnight). I would really like to know, as someone else said, whether there were any guns in the Closs home and if James or Denise had gunshot residue on them. If he had his on him, then I would go with the idea that he wasn't expecting anyone or was at least being cautious. If he had a gun but didn't have it on him, though, then that might make me wonder whether he knew the person or was expecting them. Earlier, someone wondered if perhaps the perp was visiting them for some reason and then grew angry, went back out to his vehicle, and grabbed his weapon with James locking the door behind him.

 

[Stunned]

I’m not the person you were directly asking, but most run year round. Training varies somewhat but as a rule, running is encouraged year round for cardio/endurance.

(Looking at my kids running logs from high school: they logged at least 50 miles a week off season to more than a hundred miles a week at peak)

In Wisconsin?

 

[Quill]

I don't understand why a more recent pic of Jayme isn't used - the Dateline image shown in previous post...?

She is younger in those pics...she really doesn't look like that anymore. There are two from the day she went missing, correct? One wherein she looks incredibly pensive & introspective and one was a full body pic. Both of those & perhaps her current school pic which they had received that day according to Jayme's aunt, would be better.

She does have plenty of pics where her smile looks forced, doesn't reach her eyes. Her habit mostly is to lower her head when she is genuinely smiling. These 'fake' smile pics seem to be more recent. Doesn't mean anything necessarily....

Also wish they would use a non-smiling pic, like the ones I already mentioned. She's unlikely, if seen in public, to be giggling & laughing.

Sorry if being snippy - just has bothered me from the get-go

I thought the one in the denim jacket was recent? Have I gotten that wrong? For some reason I thought that was taken the day of the party. Someone set me straight.

 

[mtnlites]

In Wisconsin?

Maybe they train indoors in the winter? Seems like the snow and cold would be too much otherwise.