AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

[mtnlites]

Pedophiles that kill their victims, yes. I think a pedophile that kills two people to get at their victim is quite rare. Not saying its never happened, but its rare.

It might be rare, but I can think of at least two cases where that happened right off the top of my head.

 

[Steelslady]

How long is the cross country season?

The runners go by quickly. It would have to be someone is a stationary position who can watch them. Someone at a home . At a window, they would only have a short vision as they passed. Someone in a car would not see enough as they ran by.

With exceptions to the state meets at the end of the season, Cross Country, for our kids,started two weeks before school started (in August) and always ended on Halloween. It was a huge event, that Halloween meet- so many spectators! Then there were state meets after Halloween- two or three of them, I believe- also, lots of spectators there. You would never know if people there were actually family and friends supporting the kids/teams, or they were an SO.

Winter Indoor Track starts up, but the runners do run outside in the winter months for training as well.

Track and Field is also outdoor running, hurdles, and several fielding events, where daily practices are a must.

Hope this helps!

 

[HayLouise]

‘Thirteen-year-old Jayme Closs was last seen on October 14, 2018 in her hometown of Barron, Wisconsin. The Barron County Sheriff’s Office and the FBI are investigating her disappearance. Can you, or someone you know, help find Jayme?
Investigators no closer to finding missing teen Jayme Closs whose parents were found dead in Wisconsin home’



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[Mom24]

This article says Jim was at the party and theY have Jayme’s phone?

It's not unusual for details to be wrong, so it doesn't surprise me to find out now that Jim was at the party. And now we know that Jayme did have a cellphone.
The other tidbit is that it sounds like someone called 911 but dropped the phone since the sounds they heard were from far away, like from another room. Makes you wonder if Jayme called 911 and someone grabbed her and she dropped the phone.

 

[Moonsie]

I'm not going to discount this theory, however I find it to be quite unlikely. You'd have to find somebody that was both a stone cold killer AND a pedophile wrapped up in to one package. People don't tend to blur those lines, they are either one thing or another, seldom both. And as I've said from the beginning, if the motive was to abduct Jayme for sexual purposes, there would be a bout a million better ways to go about it. If this person came to the house specifically for Jayme, then the parents would only have been eliminated because this person was or wanted to be in a relationship with her. That suggests a long term plan, which is probably why I still believe she is alive somewhere.

It makes me think of escalation. Maybe someone that has been ‘caught’ before (by the parents of the victim?) and prosecuted for it...so wanted to make damn sure it wouldn’t happen that way this time. I could see a pedophile resenting that greatly.

My other theory about why the parents were murdered is because this murderer may have had a poor or no relationship with their own parents, and thus could be ‘unemotional’ about ambushing these parents, or see some ‘purpose’ in the act (whatever that might be).

I’m still firmly in the ‘Jayme was the target’ camp. I struggle with the ‘they could have taken her more easily somewhere else’ theory. I know it seems that might be easier, but is it really? In broad daylight, or waiting for a bus, etc....they would always be people around or someone that saw something.

Again, it makes me think this now murderer has been caught before and wanted to avoid that happening again at all costs. Thus, ambush the family at home late on a Sunday night, eliminate both potential witnesses and get away with Jayme.

If that was the goal, I am sorry to say that he seems to have gotten away with it...for at least a month at this point.

moo.

 

[Mom24]

Me too.
I'm trying to think of logical explanations.
I'm imagining what happens at my family gatherings.

Let's say James got off work, two hours or so after the party started. He arrived. The main gift-giving had ended. Folks had already kind of dispersed in the house. The children were playing with gifts. Maybe the grandfather was out working in the garage on something, and didn't see James arrive at that later point. (or taking a nap upstairs, or went and did errands,etc.) So, to him, James "didn't make it to the party". But the sister was in the house the whole time, and James was hanging out with the rest of the family in the later part of the afternoon. Grandpa then returned, after the point everyone had left, never having seen James.

It could even be more simple. Grandpa was inside, Jim was outside. If there were enough people there, they might not have crossed paths. Or maybe Grandpa was mistaken or the person that wrote the article heard it wrong.

 

[Jax49]

In the first paragraph, the aunt states James came to the party with Denise... wth? I thought James didn't attend the party?? I should probably read the rest of that before I assume it means he attended, but now I think at the very least, did he drop them off????

"...who lived just a couple of miles away, came to the party with her husband Jim and their 13-year-old daughter, Jayme...."

Note that isn't a direct quote. Not at all sure it is accurate.

 

[Seattle1]

Investigators no closer to finding missing teen Jayme Closs whose parents were found dead in Wisconsin home

Update info from the link:

On a Sunday nearly one month ago, Jennifer Smith held a birthday party for her grandson at her Barron, Wisconsin home. Jennifer’s sister Denise Closs, who lived just a couple of miles away, came to the party with her husband Jim and their 13-year-old daughter, Jayme.

 

[IceIce9]

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There are legitimate reasons James might not have attended the party, although I wonder now if he might have been there for awhile and then left while Jayme and mom stayed.

He could have had errands to run, gone hunting, helped a friend with a project, or watched football. He could have gone to a sports bar or friend’s home to watch football. Or maybe if he did leave the party early he just didn’t care much for parties. I know men who are great dads and get along well with their extended family members but would rather be watching sports than attending a kid’s birthday party.

 

[andreww]

This article says Jim was at the party and theY have Jayme’s phone?

Not sure if either of those are fact? I saw a video from the search and the officer specifically said to keep an eye open for a weapon or a cell phone. So whose phone would they be looking for? James'?

 

[1987]

I keep thinking there had to be more going on at the front door than a knock. I cant see just rolling over out of bed and going to the door and if looked out a window first the person on the other side must have been known. I also cant see if was awake and heard a gun being chambered just going to the door. all I can see is if the door was actively being broken into either from kicking or a shot maybe just reaction to try to stop it or could someone have claimed a emergency, maybe yelling at the door or maybe we have the whole picture wrong of how father gets at the front door and it has nothing to do with answering the door. what would get a person to answer or even consider answering enough to be that near the door at that hour?

 

[carbuff]

When a new news article contradicts what LE has been saying, usually it's the news article that screwed up.

 

[KLM6]

I'm sure police have spoken to very single person at that party. If James was there, we'd know about it. IMO, I don't think James got along with the family and I'm not sure if work wasn't just an excuse not to go. Police have said absolutely nothing about James working a shift that day. The Chief was asked if he'd been to the casino, to which he replied that he didn't know. Surprising answer if he knew that he had been at the turkey plant for a full shift don't you think?

Within that, you made the point I tried to make earlier. Thank you.
Also I have actually wondered why so very little is known about James, or even talked about him. Not getting along with family is not what I had assumed, but it would make sense if true.
At work - or just an excuse has been discussed here many threads back. But being at the casino at any point that day would certainly fit more than a few theories that have been mentioned. Thats why the Sheriffs lack of an answer to the question got my attention.

 

[andreww]

It might be rare, but I can think of at least two cases where that happened right off the top of my head.

In those two cases, who was responsible? Friend? Acquaintance? Stranger?

 

[JRW]

Investigators no closer to finding missing teen Jayme Closs whose parents were found dead in Wisconsin home

Lots of quotes from Denise’s sister.

It mistakenly reports that James was at the party with them =(

 

[sumzero]

I’m still firmly in the ‘Jayme was the target’ camp. I struggle with the ‘they could have taken her more easily somewhere else’ theory. I know it seems that might be easier, but is it really? In broad daylight, or waiting for a bus, etc....they would always be people around or someone that saw something.

Again, it makes me think this now murderer has been caught before and wanted to avoid that happening again at all costs. Thus, ambush the family at home late on a Sunday night, eliminate both potential witnesses and get away with Jayme.

If that was the goal, I am sorry to say that he seems to have gotten away with it...for at least a month at this point.

moo.

RSBM

Yes, I think so, too. A sudden ambush late at night when no one was expecting it (and everyone probably had gone to bed). It put the victims at a distinct disadvantage. Plus, it would be dark, late, with few vehicles on the road. So, yes, I can see the logic for the killer(s) acting when they did.

 

[human]

I'm sure police have spoken to very single person at that party. If James was there, we'd know about it. IMO, I don't think James got along with the family and I'm not sure if work wasn't just an excuse not to go. Police have said absolutely nothing about James working a shift that day. The Chief was asked if he'd been to the casino, to which he replied that he didn't know. Surprising answer if he knew that he had been at the turkey plant for a full shift don't you think?

He could have gone after his shift

 

[JRW]

Let me get this straight....The police have both Denise and Jayme's cell phones...... James Closs was now at the Birthday Party...... Why did the Grandfather give statements to the Media, that James was at work, during the party, and was not there ?

I wonder if James maybe came to the party for a short time before he left for work? Maybe came to say happy Birthday and make an appearance then go to work?

 

[lonetraveler]

So, James attended the party and Jayme's cell phone was recovered in the home. That gives us a little more info to go on, anyway . If Jayme had anything at all to do with this (which most of us never believed that she did ), she certainly would have taken her cell phone.

Yes, unless there is a chance that either she or he kidnapper knew that the phone could be tracked. JMO

 

[1987]

RSBM

Yes, I think so, too. A sudden ambush late at night when no one was expecting it (and everyone probably had gone to bed). It put the victims at a distinct disadvantage. Plus, it would be dark, late, with few vehicles on the road. So, yes, I can see the logic for the killer(s) acting when they did.

if it is a sudden ambush why aren't dad and mom just shot in their bed or near their bed? why would someone come in like it seems, fast and LOUD, why not just quiet and precise?

I get hung up at different points each time I try to reason this whole thing out. today I am hung up at the front door, that is where it seems the first violent contact was made I cant move on from there without understanding at least some part of it.