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GUILTY WV - Michael Cochran, 38, allegedly killed by wife in ponzi scheme, Feb 2019 *arrest*
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ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 #32- Latest: oceanverde
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@Jozy_Elizabeth
Went to look at the subpoenas to find the spelling of her name - It's actually Brianna Hawley
Went to look at the subpoenas to find the spelling of her name - It's actually Brianna Hawley
@Jozy_Elizabeth
We're back from lunch.
Defense said their first witness will be Michael & #NatalieCochran 's son - who is only 17 and will not be on camera.
Also Stanley Seldon is back
We're back from lunch.
Defense said their first witness will be Michael & #NatalieCochran 's son - who is only 17 and will not be on camera.
Also Stanley Seldon is back
@Jozy_Elizabeth
Natalie and Michael’s son – being referred to as MAC – said he had a “good relationship” with his father.
MAC said Michael was his baseball and football coach
1:18 PM · Jan 23, 2025
Natalie and Michael’s son – being referred to as MAC – said he had a “good relationship” with his father.
MAC said Michael was his baseball and football coach
1:18 PM · Jan 23, 2025
@Jozy_Elizabeth
Eight or nine years ago – MAC said Michael had to have back surgery because he lifted a light pole in their backyard to move it and that’s how he messed up his back.
In 2018 – MAC said his dad was more forgetful – forget about plans, left stuff at the house, etc.MAC had Michael was also more “aggressive” towards everyone
Eight or nine years ago – MAC said Michael had to have back surgery because he lifted a light pole in their backyard to move it and that’s how he messed up his back.
In 2018 – MAC said his dad was more forgetful – forget about plans, left stuff at the house, etc.MAC had Michael was also more “aggressive” towards everyone
I dont believe I've heard one objection during this trial, thus far. Some of the questions seem speculative - moo
@Jozy_Elizabeth
End of 2018 – MAC said Michael’s condition was getting worse and Michael was “less happy.”
MAC said Michael “definitely” injected himself with steroids.
End of 2018 – MAC said Michael’s condition was getting worse and Michael was “less happy.”
MAC said Michael “definitely” injected himself with steroids.
@Jozy_Elizabeth
In Feb. 2019 MAC said Michael was less involved in activities with MAC
Victor – Had he lost interest in life?
MAC – He was worried about everything – money.
He wanted everything to be perfect. That was his biggest worry.
MAC said he recalls a time (no date was giving but after 2017) that his parents were in their room on the bed – MAC was on the bed in the middle. MAC said Natalie was watching tv with a book on her lap and Michael was on his computer looking at contract for “thousands...
...and thousands” of dollarsMAC said his father found a contract for 50 caliber guns – MAC said he helped his dad get that contract.It has been testified that the Cochran’s business that was supposedly receiving government contracts for weapons never received a single contract.
In Feb. 2019 MAC said Michael was less involved in activities with MAC
Victor – Had he lost interest in life?
MAC – He was worried about everything – money.
He wanted everything to be perfect. That was his biggest worry.
MAC said he recalls a time (no date was giving but after 2017) that his parents were in their room on the bed – MAC was on the bed in the middle. MAC said Natalie was watching tv with a book on her lap and Michael was on his computer looking at contract for “thousands...
...and thousands” of dollarsMAC said his father found a contract for 50 caliber guns – MAC said he helped his dad get that contract.It has been testified that the Cochran’s business that was supposedly receiving government contracts for weapons never received a single contract.
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Anyone questioning how someone can hit their head so hard on a kitchen counter that they cause a dent? Surely there would be a noticeable head wound of some kind, wouldn't there?
I also recall someone saying that Natalie originally said that Mike slowly slid to the floor while holding onto the counter.
I also recall someone saying that Natalie originally said that Mike slowly slid to the floor while holding onto the counter.
The defendant joins in with them at side bar 
@Jozy_Elizabeth
MAC has been dismissed
As MAC was leaving he passed his mom, patted her on the shoulder and appeared to say "love you."
1:49 PM · Jan 23, 2025
MAC has been dismissed
As MAC was leaving he passed his mom, patted her on the shoulder and appeared to say "love you."
1:49 PM · Jan 23, 2025
@Jozy_Elizabeth
No more defense witnesses available today
Judge is informing the jury about scheduling difficulties with the defense’s expert witnesses - apparently they will not be available until Monday
Judge says because of this he is going to give the jury the day off on Friday...
...– but to prepare for a full day on Monday.
Judge said the case is “winding down” said he thinks they will be finished on Tuesday or Wednesday
No more defense witnesses available today
Judge is informing the jury about scheduling difficulties with the defense’s expert witnesses - apparently they will not be available until Monday
Judge says because of this he is going to give the jury the day off on Friday...
...– but to prepare for a full day on Monday.
Judge said the case is “winding down” said he thinks they will be finished on Tuesday or Wednesday
The defense attorney (who was ill earlier) is probably thinking if I knew we were leaving early, I wouldn't have bothered coming in.
jmo lol
jmo lol
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I found it troubling the second medical examiner who gave the opinion that Michael's manner of death was homicide (at the hands of another) and caused was exogenous insulin administration, when he was totally unaware that insulin can be abused by individuals involved in strength training (and bodybuilding but MC wasn't, an actual bodybuilder). If he hasn't the knowledge to know insulin can be used by this particular cohort how can he rule out accidental death by self administration of insulin?
As a medical prescriber it's a well known fact insulin is used alongside anabolic steroids... It's not new and it is quite common. I understand after NC was charged with murder the first time, this was dismissed without prejudice awaiting the second exhumation and autopsy, where the M.E was planning to test subcutaneous tissue to test for insulin. Obviously the decomposition was too advanced but personally I would have fought the testimony of the second M.E HARD if I were the defence...
Even the endocrinologist gave a far less certain, she was NOT sure 'to a degree of medical certainty'. The M.E based nothing on the autopsy he carried out it was all based on paper records. The same information the endocrinologist had and I think she was correct to leave some room for other scenarios.
I am not suggesting I am leaning towards NC being innocent OR guilty. I'm waiting for all the testimony. However I do feel there's a lot of questions still to be answered...
I'm also really interested if anyone can find anything online regarding witness intimidation in the Charleston Gazette after TT's testimony. I gathered the state were throwing shade on TT and insinuating he as a graphic designer was potentially aware of the Ponzi scheme or produced the letterhead designs... But I'm really interested in where the witness intimidation articles are, if anywhere!
I do feel sad for the children of the deceased. Dad dead at 38, and Mother in federal prison a year afterwards and now facing a life sentence for their Dad's alleged murder...I was orphaned within a 12 months period in my 20s and the loss is immense.
As a medical prescriber it's a well known fact insulin is used alongside anabolic steroids... It's not new and it is quite common. I understand after NC was charged with murder the first time, this was dismissed without prejudice awaiting the second exhumation and autopsy, where the M.E was planning to test subcutaneous tissue to test for insulin. Obviously the decomposition was too advanced but personally I would have fought the testimony of the second M.E HARD if I were the defence...
Even the endocrinologist gave a far less certain, she was NOT sure 'to a degree of medical certainty'. The M.E based nothing on the autopsy he carried out it was all based on paper records. The same information the endocrinologist had and I think she was correct to leave some room for other scenarios.
I am not suggesting I am leaning towards NC being innocent OR guilty. I'm waiting for all the testimony. However I do feel there's a lot of questions still to be answered...
I'm also really interested if anyone can find anything online regarding witness intimidation in the Charleston Gazette after TT's testimony. I gathered the state were throwing shade on TT and insinuating he as a graphic designer was potentially aware of the Ponzi scheme or produced the letterhead designs... But I'm really interested in where the witness intimidation articles are, if anywhere!
I do feel sad for the children of the deceased. Dad dead at 38, and Mother in federal prison a year afterwards and now facing a life sentence for their Dad's alleged murder...I was orphaned within a 12 months period in my 20s and the loss is immense.
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All very good points!
I had done a quick search for any articles about witness intimidation as well and didn't find one.
Regarding losing both parents, even if NC is found not guilty in this case she received an 11 year sentence for the ponzi fraud. How long has she been in prison so far?
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LIVE: Husband Poisoned Murder Trial — WVA v. Natalie Cochran — Day Seven
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@Jozy_Elizabeth
Back at it. #NatalieCochran murder trialDay 7 of witness testimony will continue at 9 am with the defense calling its expert medical witnesses. Natalie Cochran has also indicted to the judge that she will testify but she’ll likely be the last witness the defense calls.
Here's my prediction for the remainder of the #NatalieCochran trialMonday - Defense will call it's final three witnesses - a local physician who treated the Cochran's and two expert medical witnesses.- Dr. Zachary Halsey with Access Health in Beckley...
- Dr. Priya Banerjee a forensic pathologists from Rhode Island (she's the one who has been on the phone listening to the prosecution's medical experts)- Dr. Ljubisa Jovan Dragovich, the chief medical examiner/chief forensic pathologist for Oakland County, Mich….
...Tuesday - Defense will call Natalie Cochran (I'm still skeptical of this). Then they'll go into closing arguments and hand the case off to the jury….
...Wednesday - Jury will continue to deliberate and potentially have a verdict. I don't anticipate them deliberating for long but that's just my guess.
In the courtroom today we have Michael's mother and stepfather, Donna and Eddie Bolt, as well as Natalie's mother and daughter, Daphne Jessup and Nicole Cochran.
Back at it. #NatalieCochran murder trialDay 7 of witness testimony will continue at 9 am with the defense calling its expert medical witnesses. Natalie Cochran has also indicted to the judge that she will testify but she’ll likely be the last witness the defense calls.
Here's my prediction for the remainder of the #NatalieCochran trialMonday - Defense will call it's final three witnesses - a local physician who treated the Cochran's and two expert medical witnesses.- Dr. Zachary Halsey with Access Health in Beckley...
- Dr. Priya Banerjee a forensic pathologists from Rhode Island (she's the one who has been on the phone listening to the prosecution's medical experts)- Dr. Ljubisa Jovan Dragovich, the chief medical examiner/chief forensic pathologist for Oakland County, Mich….
...Tuesday - Defense will call Natalie Cochran (I'm still skeptical of this). Then they'll go into closing arguments and hand the case off to the jury….
...Wednesday - Jury will continue to deliberate and potentially have a verdict. I don't anticipate them deliberating for long but that's just my guess.
In the courtroom today we have Michael's mother and stepfather, Donna and Eddie Bolt, as well as Natalie's mother and daughter, Daphne Jessup and Nicole Cochran.
@Jozy_Elizabeth
Continuing the theme of technical difficulties - they’re currently trying to connect with Dr. Ljubisa Jovan Dragovich, the chief medical examiner/chief forensic pathologist for Oakland County, Mich. We can see and hear him but he can’t hear us.
The system they’ve working out for virtual witnesses is that they appear via video call but they mute the audio for the video call and then call the witness on the phone and use the phone for audio. I’m no technical wiz but that seems unnecessarily complicated.
Everything’s worked out now - Dr. Ljubisa Jovan Dragovich, the chief medical examiner/chief forensic pathologist for Oakland County, Mich. now testifying.
Continuing the theme of technical difficulties - they’re currently trying to connect with Dr. Ljubisa Jovan Dragovich, the chief medical examiner/chief forensic pathologist for Oakland County, Mich. We can see and hear him but he can’t hear us.
The system they’ve working out for virtual witnesses is that they appear via video call but they mute the audio for the video call and then call the witness on the phone and use the phone for audio. I’m no technical wiz but that seems unnecessarily complicated.
Everything’s worked out now - Dr. Ljubisa Jovan Dragovich, the chief medical examiner/chief forensic pathologist for Oakland County, Mich. now testifying.
@Jozy_Elizabeth
Dragovich said he’s board certified in three pathology fields - Anatomical, neurological and forensic
Dragovich said he’s been in this line of work for nearly 40 years and performed thousands of autopsies. He said he also performed 6 autopsies this past weekend.
NatalieCochran ’s defense attorney Stanley Seldon doing the questioning for Dragovich. Stanley is preparing to question Dragovich about the report he prepared in regard to this case...
...The defense never exhumed Michael’s body so I’m assuming the report is passed on Michael’s previous medical and autopsy records
Dragovich said he’s board certified in three pathology fields - Anatomical, neurological and forensic
Dragovich said he’s been in this line of work for nearly 40 years and performed thousands of autopsies. He said he also performed 6 autopsies this past weekend.
NatalieCochran ’s defense attorney Stanley Seldon doing the questioning for Dragovich. Stanley is preparing to question Dragovich about the report he prepared in regard to this case...
...The defense never exhumed Michael’s body so I’m assuming the report is passed on Michael’s previous medical and autopsy records
Its not in the best interest of the defendant to testify. moo
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