Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #62

[ZoriahNZ]

I had to run out earlier. Part 2 of Dr. Phil.

The picture of where Gabby was found and the small cross is at the 35:44 mark in this video:

Screenshotted that for ya!

 

[JudgeJudi]

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1448083318701010944

We will be live at 9pmET on@NewsNationNow -- talking the Gabby Petito autopsy findings with former FBI Agent Jennifer Coffindaffer. CoffindafferFBI

House is quiet tonight.

 

[WillieMac]

Brian Laundrie has been missing for 29 days. Survival experts say he's had help, he's blending in, or he's dead.

Survival experts told Insider it's unlikely Laundrie would be alive if he'd been hiding in the Carlton Reserve for the past 29 days

Former US Marine Robert Urban said he believed there were three scenarios. The most likely, he said, is that Laundrie is not in the reserve.

"The second one is that if he is cached somewhere, someone's helping him - someone's giving him supply or food. But everyone in his tight circle would be watched intently.

"Third, he's dead."

Most people who find themselves stranded in the wilderness "break down within five or six days," Jason Marsteiner, the founder and lead instructor of Colorado Mountain Man Survival, told Insider.

"Especially if they don't have food; you're not eating what your body needs," he added. "You're either going to get angry or you are going to have some sort of emotional distress that makes you make poor decisions. Plus, he's got this stress of the situation - why he's being pursued to begin with."

Robert Urban, the founder and chief instructor of the Urban Survival Academy in Florida, said a large part of surviving in the wilderness involved a person's mental strength rooted in the hope they'll eventually be found.

"Survival is based on the hope that I'm going to get rescued," Urban, a former US Marine, said. "When I do, my life's going to be better, and I'll be back with my friends and family and get back to normal. So there's a big positive mental attitude, even for experienced guys like myself.

"And the only way that you really have that mental fortitude is if there's that hope of it. So in this specific scenario of if this guy gets rescued - 'rescued' - his life is not going to be better than it was in the past," he added, alluding to the legal hurdles Laundrie could face if he's found.

The police have been searching for Laundrie in the Carlton Reserve in Florida. North Port Police Department

Experts said Laundrie would have faced numerous dangers, from bears to contaminated water

In the Florida reserve, Laundrie would have had to endure hot temperatures; insects such as mosquitoes; animals like bears, wild hogs, snakes, coyotes, and alligators; poisonous or otherwise inedible food; and dangerous bacteria or other contaminants in the water he could try to drink.

Marsteiner said Laundrie would likely need to get food and water from other people near him, though the reserve has been closed to visitors since September 21 during the search for Laundrie.

Even if he had access to a water-filtration device, it could still be difficult to find drinkable water, Urban said, especially if Laundrie were looking for a source far from other people.

Marsteiner said that while there were ways to start fires that go relatively undetected, it was unlikely that someone without training would be able to do so. The police in North Port have said they've found no evidence of any campsite in the park.

Marsteiner speculated that Laundrie could be on the Appalachian Trail, a 2,193-mile hiking path that stretches from Georgia to Maine.

Officers with the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission ride up a private road near the entrance of the Carlton Reserve on September 21. AP Photo/Phelan M. Ebenhack

"To most people, that sounds like he will get caught, but people live in their own little world, their own little bubble," Marsteiner said. "They don't pay attention to the environment around them usually. He could very well be scavenging off of the people on the trail or at the places where people go to resupply for their food."

Marsteiner said that if Laundrie died in the reserve, police search dogs would most likely be able to pick up the scent of his body. But Urban said it wouldn't be impossible for Laundrie's death in the park to go undetected.

"You have so many animals that are hungry," Urban said. "You can be in a snake stomach, you can be in a gator stomach, or you can be eviscerated by a bear.

"An animal is not going to eat out in public. It's going to take back to where it feels safe and sheltered," he said, adding that a "pack of hungry animals" or "even buzzards" could destroy a body and leave behind little evidence.

"Some of these animals can destroy you in this Florida heat," he said, adding that any scent would likely dissipate in 12 to 24 hours, making it difficult for even search dogs to detect a body.

This is all good info but doesn't it presuppose that there is no 4th theory where mommy&daddy's special lill child may have been secreted away from that Ft DeSoto Campground Family Retreat (& last goodbye) by another yet unknown "family friend" with enough connections to somehow move BL somewhere off-shore? ...somewhere that he's very likely sitting pretty & relaxing comfortably in the good care of whoever mom&pop set him up with? This is all very much MOO of course. & it's not even a theory I'm dedicated to - but more just what seems to be a possibility that could be as likely other possibility shared in the above statement.

 

[OceanElix]

Speaking of control... In their SM posts and vids, I noticed that Gabby was always reading books by HIS favorite author. Anyone else catch that? I never saw Gabby reading something that was not on-brand for him and his "edgy" artwork aesthetic. She read his books. He didn't read her books. I wonder if he forced her to do that.

Social media is heavily staged.

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Goodness me! I feel like it's getting a tad silly on these threads so it's probably time to take a break for me.

 

[cady]

Former acting atty gen McCabe was on CNN w AC. And didn't mention that this may be a WY case. He answered questions with the presumption that it is an FBI matter.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Really confusing...so are we to expect a Wyoming (Teton county) grand jury to be seated investigating the homicide? Will the Laundries be subpoenaed to give testimony?

Now, I think we cannot be as definite as we all want to be.

Many members have just pointed out open issues which may leave us back in "we still don't know yet" territory.

@AugustWest pointed out concurrent jurisdiction (which I would think they would kick it to the state) but @dacjess then reminded there are already outstanding federal charges (which I can't see them trying this case piecemeal if it ever gets to that point). So, not sure. Anyone have a thought on this?
MOO

 

[A2FMNST]

Screenshotted that for ya!

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Thank you!

There are a few small trees and brush/shrubs around the area.

 

[SuziQ]

Agreed! I thought it couldn't be strangulation because I was expecting a crime of passion. This changes the case so much.

Crimes of passion are usually strangulation or blunt force trauma.

Moo.

 

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[ZoriahNZ]

Just a reminder that there's no proof that the photos with the two nephews in blue is even from Sept 6th.

The only photo that is claimed to be attributed to that particular De Soto trip on the GMA ABC interview is the one with the red "bandana" (T-shirt wrapped around his head).

 

[Jurisprudence]

right? Why is BL's attorney offering us up information we didn't ask for? First he tells us BL took the flight home (without anyone asking), now he tells us he used GP's card (without anyone asking whose card).

Here's the spin BL's attorney is putting in the MSM in case you missed it:
BL flew home and GP helped him pay for it...therefore "they shared expenses", therefore he was allowed to use her bank card, therefore he is not guilty.

...ya...good luck with that.

He's been trying the case in public for weeks bc he knows no one is challenging him. It's irritating IMO. MOO

 

[x_files]

Today's news was welcome, because the trash has been taken out and the meat of the saga has become clearer. Now, the main thrust of energy is locating other witnesses and evidence...and locating Brian.
Wherever you go, keep a little snapshot inside your noggin and use it for reference should those droopy eyes and brows show up under a hat brim or over a beard in Publix or your local skateboard park.

He won't hide forever, he'll hide throughout this winter but he'll out and about come spring. I highly doubt he thinks he did anything wrong.

 

[LRinCA]

This thread is moving so fast today and I don't know if I can search for three letter words/acronyms. I could have sworn there was a post that indicated the FBI went to the Laundrie home today. This was much earlier today, soon after the press conference with the coroner wrapped up. Does anyone else recall that post?

 

[x_files]

right? Why is BL's attorney offering us up information we didn't ask for? First he tells us BL took the flight home (without anyone asking), now he tells us he used GP's card (without anyone asking whose card).

Here's the spin BL's attorney is putting in the MSM in case you missed it:
BL flew home and GP helped him pay for it...therefore "they shared expenses", therefore he was allowed to use her bank card, therefore he is not guilty.

...ya...good luck with that.

To control the narrative.

 

[samanthadaniels1995]

I totally expect the defense will try to excuse any of Gabby's/Brian's injuries as "rough sex". It's the same excuse rapists use. It's so obvious the defense is reaching each time I hear that excuse in a court case.
edit: quote bolded by me

What are the potential list of defensible positions BL could take ? I believe, for BL to surrender, then his defense lawyer must have a reasonable defense. If not, then BL will remain missing as long as possible. And at that point, the challenge would be to bring him in alive to face justice. That is assuming that he currently has an indefensible positions

 

[cady]

https://twitter.com/BrianEntin/status/1448083318701010944

We will be live at 9pmET on@NewsNationNow -- talking the Gabby Petito autopsy findings with former FBI Agent Jennifer Coffindaffer. CoffindafferFBI

House is quiet tonight.

If someone is going to watch this, could you please post it when it goes live? Not sure I can see it even then but maybe. thanks jmo

 

[Jurisprudence]

The statute doesn't say what you think it says. There are a lot of areas of law where there is concurrent state and federal jurisdiction. The District of Wyoming website says very clearly that they are the prosecuting office for even misdemeanor and violation level crimes - which are state law crimes. Jurisdictions are allowed to divide up enforcement and prosecution based on resources. The District of Wyoming opened a Yellowstone office specifically to deal with crimes in these popular National Parks and Forests.

For example, you can get into federal court on state issues under diversity jurisdiction when the parties are from different states and the amount in controversy is over $75,000. So if I bring a big breach of contract case in SDNY under diversity jurisdiction, that doesn't mean - and no one would argue - that New York state no longer has jurisdiction over New York state contract law. It just means that invoking 28 USC § 1332 gets you into SDNY for your particular case. On the criminal side, there are competing state and federal cases all the time with drug possession and weapons possession. Sometimes the state starts and it is kicked over to the feds. In some cases the feds take it from the time of the arrest. It can also depend on the relationship between the local attorneys and the AUSA responsible.

We can read the District of Wyoming website that instructs us on who we need to call if we are arrested in Bridger-Teton. Violations In Yellowstone And Grand Teton National Parks And In Other Federal Enclaves

If the District of Wyoming did not have jurisdiction here, the local county attorney could have charged Brian with state-law theft claims. Or Florida could have charged him with theft. Or the Middle District of Florida could have charged him under 1029 which would have been closer to the key witnesses in the case. I think they went with 1029 out of D. Wyoming so all of the prosecutions would be based out of the same office. Otherwise it does not really make sense why they would get involved at all.

Yeah @AugustWest just pointed that out too.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

@ExpectingUnicorns I wanted to clarify something from the previous thread. You responded to a post I made about the deadlines involved in filing charges against someone, asking about the time issues, and someone else answered about statutes of limitations. Maybe others replied too, I had to skim since I just got back online.

But I wanted to clarify that I wasn't referring to statute of limitations but rather to the "speedy trial" rights of defendants -- unless they waive that right, prosecution has to be prepared for trial within a fairly short time after charging someone. (Hopefully a legal type poster can tell us whether it being a federal case means any different deadlines than in a state case.)

I just wanted to be sure you understood I wasn't talking about statutes of limitation but of speedy trial rules.

Thank you, Auntie, because I am still confused about this. My real question is whether prosecutors would delay accusing BL of murder because they are required to meet some specific time requirement that might jeopardize their charges. Ha ~ you can clearly see I'm a real legal eagle ~ Not!

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Thank you!

There are a few small trees and brush/shrubs around the area.

I was wondering if the circle of stones to the bottom right of the picture might be the possible fire ring that was discussed. Evidence of a campfire?

 

[lonetraveler]

Is it Double Jeopardy to Charge a Crime at State and Federal Level?

Don't know about State and Federal but I do know that you can be tried by Military and sentenced to death, win a new trial tried by State and found not guilty, and then the military can retry you and find you guilty and sentence you to death again. I was a juror on one of the trials.
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