GUILTY Yoselyn Ortega charged with 2 counts ea-1st and 2nd Degree Murder of Krim Children

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I'm not seeing anything related to mental illness here, rather I see an enormous amount of anger and resentment toward the Krims, which Ortega took out on the most vulnerable people in that apartment - the children. I can't believe the sister had the gall to blame the Krims when she claims she knew her sister was mentally ill and did absolutely nothing about it herself . That is sickening.

Same here. Yoselyn Ortega is a dangerous injustice collector, like Betty Broderick, Lori Drew, Michelle Carter, Mark Conditt, Nikolas Cruz, Devin Kelley, Stephen Paddock, Omar Mateen, Elliot Rodger, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho, Eric Harris, and Osama bin Laden. She is a perpetual victim, which characterizes injustice collectors.

On Wound Collectors
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201509/wound-collectors

Murderous Envy
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/keeping-kids-safe/200905/murderous-envy

Yoselyn Ortega showed pathological envy like many injustice collectors ranging from bullies, jealous lovers, mass killers, serial killers, and terrorists.

The Dangerous Injustice Collector: Behaviors of Someone Who Never Forgets, Never Forgives, Never Lets Go, and Strikes Back!
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/vio.2014.1509

Identifying The Next Mass Murderer—Before It’s Too Late
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...ntifying-the-next-mass-murderer-it-s-too-late

Psychology of Terrorism - National Criminal Justice Reference Service
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/208552.PDF
 
  • #1,042
No tweets this afternoon.
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wyome....please tell me how you really feel.....:hilarious:

I feel the same way- she's not mentally ill- just a jealous, truly evil, miserable, selfish, vindictive and dangerous person and like HMSHood stated- a debt collector (and the poor Krim children happen to be handy..:(..).

She destroyed multiple lives and it's ALL about her.. There is no empathy. No regret. No remorse. No apologies.

I don't know why I don't feel any sympathy for this woman (God forgive me)

Yoselyn Ortega deserves no sympathy.

She chose to be miserable and live a life of resentment and envy. It did not happen overnight. She was like it all her life. She is a dangerous injustice collector.
 
  • #1,043
Son of ‘killer nanny’ says murders were an ‘accident’


"The son of a nanny on trial for the bloody murders of two Upper West Side children took the stand on his mother’s behalf Thursday, and promptly called the grisly crime an “accident.”...:sheesh:

“I”m sorry — did you just say, ‘the accident?’” assistant district attornney Stuart Silberg balked after Jesus Frias referred to the stabbing murders of Lucia, 6 and Leo, 2, allegedly committed by his mother, Yoselyn Ortega, as a fluke.

The 22-year-old man — who knew the Krim children and had even cared for their dog, Babar, the summer before his mother butchered them in the bathtub of their apartment– had been discussing his mom’s protracted “sadness” when he uttered the phrase: “In that time frame before the accidents.”

Frias quickly corrected himself, saying: “before what happened.”...

“Unfortunately, two children died,” Frias offered after Silberg repeatedly bellowed “Did you just say accident!?”....."

https://nypost.com/2018/03/22/son-of-killer-nanny-says-murders-were-an-accident/

Her son has his head in the sand, IMO.
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  • #1,044
Son of ‘killer nanny’ says murders were an ‘accident’


"The son of a nanny on trial for the bloody murders of two Upper West Side children took the stand on his mother’s behalf Thursday, and promptly called the grisly crime an “accident.”...:sheesh:

“I”m sorry — did you just say, ‘the accident?’” assistant district attornney Stuart Silberg balked after Jesus Frias referred to the stabbing murders of Lucia, 6 and Leo, 2, allegedly committed by his mother, Yoselyn Ortega, as a fluke.

The 22-year-old man — who knew the Krim children and had even cared for their dog, Babar, the summer before his mother butchered them in the bathtub of their apartment– had been discussing his mom’s protracted “sadness” when he uttered the phrase: “In that time frame before the accidents.”

Frias quickly corrected himself, saying: “before what happened.”...

“Unfortunately, two children died,” Frias offered after Silberg repeatedly bellowed “Did you just say accident!?”....."

https://nypost.com/2018/03/22/son-of-killer-nanny-says-murders-were-an-accident/

Her son has his head in the sand, IMO.
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The Ortega family are just as bad as Yoselyn Ortega. They are enablers. Something that has happened in the past and most recently with Mark Conditt.

I wonder what kind of childhood did Yoselyn Ortega have. I know she is the youngest.
 
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Fellow nanny scared to schedule play date with ‘killer nanny’ day before slayings

"...Chelsea Andrews, who also worked as a nanny, testified that Yoselyn Ortega was acting strange on Oct. 24, 2012, when she whined on about working for the Krim family.

“When I saw her that day, in that state of mind, I did not want to schedule a play date with her because I didn’t like the way she looked,” Andrews said in Manhattan Supreme Court....

Testifying for the defense, Andrews said she asked Ortega what was wrong that day. “Lots of work, little money,” Ortega told her. Andrews didn’t pry because “that’s Yoselyn’s business and not mine. She is working too hard and the money is too little — find a different job.”

During Andrews’ testimony, Ortega repeatedly muttered “no” and pointed two fingers at her in disagreement.

Francisca Corniel, a pal of Ortega’s for 43 years, added that the Dominican-born nanny looked unwell in October 2012.

“When she went to my house, I saw she had dark circles. She looked sick, she looked like she wasn’t all right,” Corniel testified. “She said she wasn’t sleeping well.”

Ortega told Corniel, 80, that she “didn’t feel good at that job, she didn’t feel comfortable.”..."

https://nypost.com/2018/03/23/fello...y-date-with-killer-nanny-day-before-slayings/
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  • #1,046
'Please mommy, don't cry': Heartbreaking words three-year-old daughter said to console her frantic mother after Manhattan's 'killer nanny' stabbed her two siblings to death

"The then-three-year-old sister of two siblings stabbed by their nanny tried consoling her mother as they arrived at the horrific scene at their New York City apartment.

Retired NYPD detective Luis Sandoval gave harrowing testimony on Friday of the moment he responded to the Upper West Side apartment where Yoselyn Ortega, 55, murdered six-year-old Lucia Krim and her two-year-old brother Leo on October 2012.

The former cop choked back tears as he told the jury how he found Nessie, three, consoling her frantic mother Marina in the blood-soaked bathroom where the nanny had just viciously stabbed the children...."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ther-arrived-home-nanny-stabbed-siblings.html
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  • #1,047
I have not kept up with trial in the beginning....does anyone know if the nanny was tested for drug use? Thanks
 
  • #1,048
MsJosie- I don't recall reading that she was tested for drugs
 
  • #1,049
Not many tweets:...:gaah:

Jan Ransom@Jan_Ransom
12h12 hours ago
The trial continues this week starting today at 10 am in the case of a nanny accused of killing two young children. ICYMI last week relatives of the nanny, #YoselynOrtega described a woman who was unraveling months before the murders. #nannytrial


Jan Ransom@Jan_Ransom
10h10 hours ago
On the stand now is Dr. Jonathan Arden, a forensic pathologist testifying for the defense in the #nannytrial


Jan Ransom@Jan_Ransom
9h9 hours ago
#YoselynOrtega had superficial wounds on her wrists, Dr. Arden said, referring to them as "hesitation wounds." Next the defense shows the self-inflicted injuries to her neck. She thrust the knife in twice, breaking two neck bones. #nannytrial


Jan Ransom@Jan_Ransom
7h7 hours ago
Testifying for defense, a woman who was in the elevator w/ #YoselynOrtega & kids before murder. Woman shouts angrily at defense attorney that she does not remember details, "it was 5 yrs ago"& then explains she is angry because "this is not a case of mental illness." #nannytrial
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Jury looks at wounds on ‘killer nanny’ after murder of two kids

"Horrified jurors seated on the trial of the Upper West Side nanny who butchered two tots were forced to look at more graphic images Monday , this time of the accused murderer’s own injuries suffered during her failed suicide bid.

One juror grabbed her hair and pulled it in front of her face when confronted with a blown-up image of a gaping, self-inflicted stab wound in Yos elyn Ortega’s neck, a photo taken in the emergency room following the murders of little Lucia and Leo Krim .

Another juror closed his eyes and shuddered...."

https://nypost.com/2018/03/26/jury-looks-at-wounds-on-killer-nanny-after-murder-of-two-kids/
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  • #1,051
Neighbor of slain tots says ‘killer nanny’ isn’t insane

"This witness did not do well for an accused killer nanny’s defense.

A Manhattan woman who was the last to see little Lucia and Leo Krim alive before they were butchered in their Upper West Side apartment exploded on the stand Monday during Yoselyn Ortega’s murder trial, screaming, “This is not a case of mental illness!”

Ortega, the Krims’ then-nanny, is accused of stabbing to death the 2-year-old boy and 6-year-old girl on Oct. 25, 2012. Ortega has said she was “touched by the devil” and is mounting an insanity defense.

“I’m angry!” the Krims’ former neighbor, Charlotte Friedman, a defense witness, shrieked from the stand. “This is not a case of mental illness, so I’m angry!”

While Ortega, 55, showed no reaction, defense attorney Evan Greenberg, seated next to her, dropped his head into his hands.

The woman, who still lives on the seventh floor of the building where the tots were killed, took the stand to recount how “radiant” Lucia, who went by the nickname “Lulu,” looked that fall afternoon as she rode the elevator to her death...."

https://nypost.com/2018/03/26/neighbor-of-slain-tots-says-killer-nanny-isnt-insane/
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  • #1,052
What’s Left to Learn From the Horror of the Nanny Trial?

"By the fifth week of the nanny trial, the brutality had become tedious. When a forensic pathologist displayed a close-up image of the gaping knife wound that nanny Yoselyn Ortega inflicted on herself, after killing 6-year-old Lucia Krim and 2-year-old Leo, the jury barely flinched. With a wooden ruler, forensic pathologist Dr. Jonathan Arden pointed to the wound’s jagged edge and various internal tissues it exposed. On the massive flat-screen TV that sits between the jury booth and witness stand, the wound appeared larger than Dr. Arden’s head....

...when Arden finally testified about Ortega’s self-inflicted wounds on Monday, a jaded jury and half-empty courtroom barely reacted...."

https://www.thecut.com/2018/03/nann...m_campaign=thecut&utm_source=tw&utm_medium=s1
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  • #1,053
I don’t know what death holds- I don’t know whether we are condemned or not, but her actions have condemned the living. I really never use the word hate and I am very sympathetic to mental illness but I hate her. I hate her for what she has done.


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  • #1,054
Fellow nanny scared to schedule play date with ‘killer nanny’ day before slayings

"...Chelsea Andrews, who also worked as a nanny, testified that Yoselyn Ortega was acting strange on Oct. 24, 2012, when she whined on about working for the Krim family.

“When I saw her that day, in that state of mind, I did not want to schedule a play date with her because I didn’t like the way she looked,” Andrews said in Manhattan Supreme Court....

Testifying for the defense, Andrews said she asked Ortega what was wrong that day. “Lots of work, little money,” Ortega told her. Andrews didn’t pry because “that’s Yoselyn’s business and not mine. She is working too hard and the money is too little — find a different job.”

During Andrews’ testimony, Ortega repeatedly muttered “no” and pointed two fingers at her in disagreement.

Francisca Corniel, a pal of Ortega’s for 43 years, added that the Dominican-born nanny looked unwell in October 2012.

“When she went to my house, I saw she had dark circles. She looked sick, she looked like she wasn’t all right,” Corniel testified. “She said she wasn’t sleeping well.”

Ortega told Corniel, 80, that she “didn’t feel good at that job, she didn’t feel comfortable.”..."

https://nypost.com/2018/03/23/fello...y-date-with-killer-nanny-day-before-slayings/
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Yoselyn Ortega is a constant complainer like Lori Drew. In many ways, she is like Drew, very miserable and resentful as they harbor grudges.

Websleuth Radio Interview Tina Meier
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/09/30/tricias-true-crime-radio-adult-cyber-bullying

It starts at the 20:40 mark from September 2013 Websleuths Radio Interview. Tina Meier, Megan Meier's mother. She is describing Lori Drew as an intensely person who is a constant complainer. She is described as a very unhappy and bitter person in a unhappy marriage. Drew wanted everyone to know her plight and suffering in life. Meier's description of Drew is typical of an injustice collector. In ID Web Of Lies Friend Request and Tina Meier said Lori and Sarah Drew had trouble fitting in. She always wanted Sarah to be happy, which suggests a bitter childhood. This easily describes Yoselyn Ortega as much as it describes Jodi Arias, Michelle Carter, Betty Broderick, Mark Conditt, Nikolas Cruz, Stephen Paddock, Devin Kelley, Omar Mateen, Seung-Hui Cho, Adam Lanza, Eric Harris, Anders Breivik, Elliot Rodger, and Osama bin Laden.
 
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Nanny Faces Tough Insanity Test: Did She Know Killing Was Wrong?

"Question for Jurors: Did Nanny Know Killing Was Wrong?

As the murder trial of a nanny who fatally stabbed two small children in her care entered its fourth week on Monday, the jury has begun wrestling with one of the most controversial, misunderstood and hard-to-grasp concepts in criminal law: the insanity defense.

The outcome of the trial will depend largely on how the jury interprets evidence now being presented about Yoselyn Ortega’s mental health and her state of mind when she used a kitchen knife to slay 2-year-old Leo Krim and his 6-year-old sister, Lucia, in October 2012.

Ms. Ortega’s lawyer, Valerie Van Leer-Greenberg, said in her opening statement that insanity was the only possible explanation for the grisly killings. “I will show that the lack of motive in this case is the hallmark of a mentally ill defender,” she said.

But if history is a guide, she faces an uphill battle persuading the jury. In New York, defendants must prove not just that they have a mental illness, but that the illness prevented them from understanding the consequences of their actions or that what they did was wrong.

“The problem is, being crazy isn’t enough,” said one defense lawyer, Martin Goldberg. “You have to show your client, as a result of a mental disease, lacked the ability to know right and wrong.”..."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/nyregion/nanny-murder-trial-insanity-defense.html
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From Daniel M'Naughten to John Hinckley
A Brief History of the Insanity Defense


"...THE "RIGHT/WRONG" M'NAUGHTEN TEST

The guidelines for evaluating the criminal responsibility for defendants claiming to be insane were codified in the British courts in the case of Daniel M'Naughten in 1843. M'Naughten was a Scottish woodcutter who murdered the secretary to the prime minister, Sir Robert Peel, in a botched attempt to assassinate the prime minister himself. M'Naughten apparently believed that the prime minister was the architect of the myriad of personal and financial misfortunes that had befallen him. During his trial, nine witnesses testified to the fact that he was insane, and the jury acquitted him, finding him "not guilty by reason of insanity."

Queen Victoria was not at all pleased with this outcome, and requested that the House of Lords review the verdict with a panel of judges. The judges reversed the jury verdict, and the formulation that emerged from their review -- that a defendant should not be held responsible for his actions if he could not tell that his actions were wrong at the time he committed them -- became the basis of the law governing legal responsibility in cases of insanity in England. The M'Naughten rule was embraced with almost no modification by American courts and legislatures for more than 100 years, until the mid-20th century. In 1998, 25 states plus the District of Columbia still used versions of the M'Naughten rule to test for legal insanity...."

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/crime/trial/history.html
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  • #1,056
No morning tweets

Jan Ransom@Jan_Ransom
53m53 minutes ago
This afternoon in the #nannytrial Dr. Karen Rosenbaum is on the stand for the defense. She said #YoselynOrtega told her she heard voices in the days prior telling her to hurt people, kill herself, and to kill the Krim children.


Jan Ransom@Jan_Ransom
51m51 minutes ago
But #YoselynOrtega felt the devil was trying to overtake her and it had become significantly worse in the week before the killings. #nannytrial



Jan Ransom@Jan_Ransom
50m50 minutes ago
#YoselynOrtega told Dr. Rosenbaum that "she has no strength when the devil is trying to take her. When the devil takes over it can control her mind and body. When the devil overtakes her she has no choice."
#nannytrial


Jan Ransom@Jan_Ransom
48m48 minutes ago
Testimony is over for today in the #Nannytrial. Will resume Thursday morning with more from Dr. Rosenbaum about #YoselynOrtega's mental state.
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  • #1,057
In the Daily Mail link, there are Yoselyn Ortega's handwriting.

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The handwriting was while Ortega was in the hospital bed after the murders.

What I notice in her handwriting
Angles All Over The Place
Mostly Capital Letters
Mix Of Lower Case Letters
Consistent Strong Pressure And Bold
Muddying
Letters Look Open
Some Letters Look Like Numbers

Yoselyn Ortega is not particularly sociable and has issues with social alienation all her life. She has a severely overinflated ego and is likely a social climber. Ortega likely has sexuality issues and has a lot of repressed anger that exploded on the Krims.

5 Hell Traits Revealed in Handwriting
https://handwritinguniversity.com/members/weekly-newsletters/5hell-traits/

Handwriting Analysis: The Complete Basic Book - LaSorsa & Associates
http://www.lasorsa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Handwriting-Analysis.pdf

Similar Handwriting

Stephen Paddock
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Nikolas Cruz
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Osama bin Laden
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That is not Ortega's handwriting. It is the handwriting of the Spanish-speaking detective who
interviewed her at her hospital bedside. Ortega pointed to letters on a board and the detective
wrote it down.
 
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A Crucial Question at the Nanny Trial: Is She Faking Her Hallucinations?

"Did Yoselyn Ortega really believe she heard the voice of the Devil? This has become a central question in her trial.

Prosecutors trying Ortega for the murders of 2-year-old Leo and 6-year-old Lucia Krim insist that the nanny concocted her insanity defense while convalescing in the weeks after the crime. (After stabbing the children to death, she turned a knife on herself.) Their evidence includes signs of premeditation, statements Ortega made from her hospital bed two days after the murders — which included workplace grievances, resentment, and no mention of the Devil — and testimony from a therapist who met with Ortega three days before the crime.

This week, the defense presented testimony from Dr. Karen Rosenbaum, a forensic psychiatrist who believes Ortega’s psychosis is real. Rosenbaum’s testimony will span at least two days (she returns to the stand tomorrow) and includes analysis from the approximately 20 hours Rosenbaum spent with Ortega after the crime. Rosenbaum also interviewed more than a dozen people who knew Ortega, in an undertaking that spanned several years and two countries. (The doctor added a three-hour detour to a personal vacation to interview Ortega relations in the Dominican Republic.) If the defense convinces the jury that Ortega was too sick to understand the consequences or morality of her actions, she will be sent to a psychiatric hospital instead of a prison...."

https://www.thecut.com/2018/03/nanny-trial-week-5-yoselyn-ortega-and-her-hallucinations.html
 
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A Crucial Question at the Nanny Trial: Is She Faking Her Hallucinations?

"Did Yoselyn Ortega really believe she heard the voice of the Devil? This has become a central question in her trial.

Prosecutors trying Ortega for the murders of 2-year-old Leo and 6-year-old Lucia Krim insist that the nanny concocted her insanity defense while convalescing in the weeks after the crime. (After stabbing the children to death, she turned a knife on herself.) Their evidence includes signs of premeditation, statements Ortega made from her hospital bed two days after the murders — which included workplace grievances, resentment, and no mention of the Devil — and testimony from a therapist who met with Ortega three days before the crime.

This week, the defense presented testimony from Dr. Karen Rosenbaum, a forensic psychiatrist who believes Ortega’s psychosis is real. Rosenbaum’s testimony will span at least two days (she returns to the stand tomorrow) and includes analysis from the approximately 20 hours Rosenbaum spent with Ortega after the crime. Rosenbaum also interviewed more than a dozen people who knew Ortega, in an undertaking that spanned several years and two countries. (The doctor added a three-hour detour to a personal vacation to interview Ortega relations in the Dominican Republic.) If the defense convinces the jury that Ortega was too sick to understand the consequences or morality of her actions, she will be sent to a psychiatric hospital instead of a prison...."

https://www.thecut.com/2018/03/nanny-trial-week-5-yoselyn-ortega-and-her-hallucinations.html

She could just as easily have said "God spoke to me" and it would still be a lie. But if she'd blamed God, she would be assuming people would agree that her actions were justifiable on some level. By saying the "Devil" spoke to her, she's saying "I knew it was wrong, but the devil made me do it."
Apparently the devil is outraged that she had to work for a living, and thought the innocent children should be punished for it.
 
  • #1,060
No tweets from the courthouse today...
 

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