Zahra Baker Search and Recovery Effort and Input

[wenwe4]

EB went to South Caldwell HS which is right on Hickory close to Dudley Shoals Rd if that helps.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?rlz=1T4G...l high school&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl

Her mother Sylvia had 5 addresses in Granite Falls and 2 in Hickory before her death in 2006 I believe.

Sounds like this general area has been very familiar to EB for most of her life.

MOO

I think you are onto something very interesting here. I highly doubt AB would have knowledge for so many backroads in NC. Even if he was employed w/woodcutting for the past 6 months - honestly, this is EB's old stomping grounds. Reminds me of the Caylee Anthony case where she her bones were found some 15 houses from the family home, right next to the school KC attended off in the woods in the hollow.

 

[sarx]

I am sure that this pretty much goes without saying, but...

I seriously doubt that such large national entities as the FBI, or even the state SBI, would have local knowledge and perspectives of where local dump sites might be located.

For this reason, local knowledge and input can be invaluable and would logically be a very valid reason why LE from many jurisidctions would be perusing sites/threads such as this one.

You are so very correct. It is also very hard to explain, but the FBI and the like do not come in and take over a case like this, they are there in a supporting role, they do not march in with unlimited resources and experts in every field, and I have to throw it out there, while there are some incredible agents just as there are some incredible officers out there, there are some really bad ones too and some that are just mediocre (like any other profession). Not at all speaking to this case, but it really IMO is a bad idea to assume anything. That includes that because they are LE or because they are FBI, etc. that they automatically know what they are doing and have all the answers. You know what assume spells right?:waitasec:

 

[sarx]

I think you are onto something very interesting here. I highly doubt AB would have knowledge for so many backroads in NC. Even if he was employed w/woodcutting for the past 6 months - honestly, this is EB's old stomping grounds. Reminds me of the Caylee Anthony case where she her bones were found some 15 houses from the family home, right next to the school KC attended off in the woods in the hollow.

So, with this, can we play "connect the dots" and make a probable route?

 

[wenwe4]

I have never seen a search effort utilizing boat oars for the search in the water. Can anyone elaborate why that might be? The only thing I can come up with is the they are trying to dislodge and get items to float on down further where there might be a net to catch something. I wish someone would call Tim Miller and ask for their help, I am hoping they aren't destroying evidence while searching.

 

[wenwe4]

So, with this, can we play "connect the dots" and make a probable route?

OK - You go Sarx!

 

[sarx]

I have never seen a search effort utilizing boat oars for the search in the water. Can anyone elaborate why that might be? The only thing I can come up with is the they are trying to dislodge and get items to float on down further where there might be a net to catch something. I wish someone would call Tim Miller and ask for their help, I am hoping they aren't destroying evidence while searching.

LOL, me either. I think that may be what they have? I think they were using them as "feelers" but I'm not positive as I have not seen this "technique" before. If they are looking for a bone under water I am not so sure this would work very well. I suppose it might be able to feel a whole body? But, I don't think that's what they are looking for? It had me utterly confused. And why they were calling them "divers in the water" is beyond me... They may very well be certified, but I can tell you they weren't doing any diving in that stream. Visions of a diver with a tank high sided on a rock popped into my head multiple times today.

 

[sarx]

OK - You go Sarx!

LOL, I was afraid you would say that. I am starting to play tictactoe on my hand by myself with my pen if that tells you how I am doing this evening.

 

[wenwe4]

I am now wondering if the boat oars would only serve the purpose if they are looking for clothing, bedding, something of more substantial size but not weight. I am trying to think why a boat oar is the best tool for the job for what they are looking for. They are using boat oars for a specific reason - I would assume. Any thoughts?

 

[Sherbie]

I have never seen a search effort utilizing boat oars for the search in the water. Can anyone elaborate why that might be? The only thing I can come up with is the they are trying to dislodge and get items to float on down further where there might be a net to catch something. I wish someone would call Tim Miller and ask for their help, I am hoping they aren't destroying evidence while searching.

I wondered if perhaps remains might have been located on the bank where searchers were huddling earlier today and some other object was being looked for in the creek (weapon, piece of equipment, something of Zahra's that was missing, etc.).

I can't help but feel there would be the potential for destroying skeletal remains under the weight of the searchers' boots or with the paddles they were using to feel around (maybe sarx can help us with that).

 

[Mountain_Kat]

So, with this, can we play "connect the dots" and make a probable route?

Well, that was my thought when I started down this road. Now, I dunno. I see a Fairchild on 21st in Hickory, just like Free2ride. Haven't had a chance to map it and take a look yet.

Might be nothing...might be something.

ETA: If you want us to carry this Fairchild address discussion to The Many Moves Of EB thread until we get a hit on it, we can certainly do that. Your call.

 

[sarx]

I am now wondering if the boat oars would only serve the purpose if they are looking for clothing, bedding, something of more substantial size but not weight. I am trying to think why a boat oar is the best tool for the job for what they are looking for. They are using boat oars for a specific reason - I would assume. Any thoughts?

Outside of it's all they had? No, not really. I wonder how much of their work is swift water rescue vs. body recovery? Or how much they get called out at all. They were very nice shiny oars though.

 

[sarx]

Well, that was my thought when I started down this road. Now, I dunno. I see a Fairchild on 21st in Hickory, just like Free2ride. Haven't had a chance to map it and take a look yet.

Might be nothing...might be something.

ETA: If you want us to carry this Fairchild address discussion to The Many Moves Of EB thread until we get a hit on it, we can certainly do that. Your call.

Your call, if you think it's gonna lead to something keep it here, if you're on the fence move it over and you can always bring it back.

I really do believe that there is a whole lot more out there that hasn't been found and its along a route, I just don't know which one!!!

 

[Oriah]

Just wanted to briefly chime in here. Anyone is free to email Tricia at any time and ask if LE (of all sorts) read Websleuths. I think you will find the answer to be the same every time you ask. JMO.

As working SAR, I know I have found WS's to be a valuable resource to come to; whether it be day or night, there are many people who contribute on both professional and non-professional levels that aid in investigations. In my own experience, I do not always have time to grid a search area, and then regrid when the investigation changes course (which happens frequently in active investigations) because I am already out on the ground working an earlier grid. A quick look or PM from a resourceful member is greatly appreciated.
This has been my experience with Zahra's case.
All sorts of LE has been involved in her case- no one group, team, individual, reporter, attorney, etc has all the answers. What we have is a jigsaw puzzle that is helped to be put together by as many resources as possible. WS's is one of those resources. JMO, of course.

Now back on topic of this thread- where is Zahra? Perhaps if we go back and discuss the areas that have included 'major' searches as well as 'minor' searches , as well as the timing of these searches we can put another puzzle piece in the spot it belongs. The one where it matches up with the ones surrounding it.

Thanks again for all of the hard work ya'll have been doing in helping to aid in the search and recovery for this beautiful child.

 

[Sherbie]

Oriah, respectfully, anyone who's been here any time at all knows that LE reads WS in many of the cases we follow here. I don't think that's even in question.

I say we put this ther_beatingA_Dead out of its misery and move on.

 

[lauriej]

Thank you LCoastmom, frre2ride, paulette & Kamille. Kamille, do you have those addresses for her mom? She was close to her mom, she said.

Here is someone's map that has some addresses for her -- EB -- that I hadn't seen mapped earlier.

I'll put together the arrest record addresses I've seen in date order! Y'all let me know if that's already common knowledge. I could do something else

eta: a link would be nice

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=104702944048224668931.0004925b16f6302ffba91

---agathawanabe has a lot of EB's addresses from criminal records here"
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118937"]Criminal History & Aliases - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


http://www.wikiupload.com/PAGFsEQk EB addresses from arrest sheets.

 

[sarx]

Slightly off topic but not really.
Does anyone have a good tutorial on how to mark up google earth and google maps and for that any other mapping software you might use? I am thinking that if we could get that together we might be able to get the mods to make it a sticky as it is an invaluable tool to have in ones handbag. And I know at least a few people would have used it over the last few weeks.

 

[Oriah]

Oriah, respectfully, anyone who's been here any time at all knows that LE reads WS in many of the cases we follow here. I don't think that's even in question.

I say we put this ther_beatingA_Dead out of its misery and move on.

Fine by me. Was just trying to clarify how helpful WS's can be for people working in the field.

 

[Oriah]

Slightly off topic but not really.
Does anyone have a good tutorial on how to mark up google earth and google maps and for that any other mapping software you might use? I am thinking that if we could get that together we might be able to get the mods to make it a sticky as it is an invaluable tool to have in ones handbag. And I know at least a few people would have used it over the last few weeks.

I think that when you initially load google earth it actually has a pretty decent tutorial. Maybe someone could copy and paste that? Just a thought. I am not sure though, I usually use a different mapping program.

 

[writer7]

---agathawanabe has a lot of EB's addresses from criminal records here"
Criminal History & Aliases - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


http://www.wikiupload.com/PAGFsEQk EB addresses from arrest sheets.

Thank you I have that one and pdf's Part I and Part II of EB's criminal history.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Your call, if you think it's gonna lead to something keep it here, if you're on the fence move it over and you can always bring it back.

I really do believe that there is a whole lot more out there that hasn't been found and its along a route, I just don't know which one!!!

I think there's something we're missing too. Why go up to Christie? Dudley Shoals/Burns I can understand, she used to live there. Fits the pattern. Christie doesn't. So why there? And why would SAR go to Indian Grave? Had to be a reason other than someone saying, "Hey, here's a deserted road!". LE wouldn't have spent man hours on some random hunch, I wouldn't think. Assuming, of course, EB/AB isn't just feeeding them a load of crap.

:waitasec: