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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #13

    That article you linked doesn’t say anything about Israeli army special forces guys. And guess what? It doesn’t look great in court when you tell the jury your top witnesses got immunity and $10 million in exchange for their testimony, which is why this fantastical scenario is never going to...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #13

    Hmm. At 6:25 in that Mulroney video, Donovan says, “It is quite likely that this was an attempt to have a conversation that went horribly wrong.” If this is the case there should be ample evidence and a clear electronic trail. No need to turn off your phone or use an unknown car if you’re just...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #12

    Glad to hear you're buying it and apologies for my accusatory question. In recent years, I have only heard people talk about downloading books when they are pirating. It seemed an unusual way to refer to acquiring the book and your initial posts about the book were so dismissive that it seemed...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #12

    Are you asking if it’s worth stealing or paying for? Is download a euphemism for steal? Or will you be buying it on your KIndle or KObo? Yes it’s worth paying for or getting from the library. Downloading from a pirate site is stealing.
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #12

    You make a valid point that the staging could be a representation of an execution. The manner of the staging is the essential mystery of this case. But there is no support for your claim that bodies are regularly displayed like this in other cultures. Nothing you have cited backs that up. I...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #12

    Thank you for the link, which shows a public execution in Iran. It is very unsettling so please proceed with caution. It does not show bodies positioned like the Shermans. It shows an execution style hanging with the body suspended in the air many feet above the ground. Then the body is put on...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #12

    I must have missed this. And I have never heard such a thing. What’s more, at the news conference, Greenspan seemed completely baffled by the staging. Given that many people believe that understanding the staging is key to understanding the murder, it would be helpful to understand what exactly...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #9

    <modsnip> Police are not a paramilitary organization, which is why we read so much criticism of trends toward police militarization. Not to mention that any good investigator today is aware of the dangers of "tunnel vision". That said, we can all talk about how much dissenting opinions are...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #9

    One of the things that still suggests murder suicide is that Barry was Not seriously injured as far as we know. While Greenspan and his team have never said this, they have said they believe the crime was carried out by multiple people. I think they might have drawn that inference from...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #9

    That's some House of Cards scenario. Other people have made a lot of good points as to why it's improbable so I won't repeat them. Can we at least agree the family had good reason to be upset if they were getting news from the media and not the police in the immediate aftermath of the deaths...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #9

    Well, this is what I meant when I asked why the bodies were hanging by the pool in the manner they were. The staging seems an attempt to confound and confuse. Would or could Barry Sherman do that? I think there are things in his character that suggest he might. This is why I thought for a...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #9

    I genuinely don't know. At first I thought it was murder suicide. And it still could be -- but only if the Toronto police completely botched this investigation by following the lead of the the PI team without evidence. I know that TPS hasn't exactly inspired confidence as of late, but this...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #9

    That could just be a matter of reusing the initial form. The old fax cover sheet thing. Laziness with paperwork.
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #9

    I don’t dismiss murder suicide at all. But the police have to be completely incompetent if it was murder suicide. Saunders wasn’t acting at that press conference. And the murder suicide was staged too. It’s just that you keep ignoring this fact and acting like it would be perfectly normal for...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #9

    Sorry but I find your explanation is full of holes. After Honey was beaten it was never going to look like double suicide. The plan was blown. Why would the killer think, gee my suicide plan failed with HOney, but let me give it a second shot with Barry. I’ll stage it as a murder suicide. Plan...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #9

    Sorry but I find your explanation is full of holes. After Honey was beaten it was never going to look like double suicide. “The plan” was blown. Why would the killer think, gee my suicide plan failed with HOney, but let me give it a second shot with Barry. I’ll stage it as a murder suicide...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #9

    Not professionals. This isn’t how pros kill people.
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #9

    TPS are not over worked and under staffed. It’s just about the highest paid police force in NOrth America. The problem is they have highly paid personnel doing jobs that should be done by someone earning half the salary and lots of other organizational problems. Despite their high salaries...
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #9

    Except for the fact no one believes it was double suicide.
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    Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #9

    But Barry is a smart guy and knows a bloodied Honey will not look like a double suicide. In fact, you’ve spent months telling us the cops knew it was murder suicide from the get-go. Do you really think he thought this would fool anybody? Staging bodies by the pool with coats pulled back just...

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