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This isn't an alley; the photo is looking down 5th street directly in front of the entrance of Tempo. The light fixture is a public street lamp. As it doesn't seem that Charlottesville has any public cameras, it's doubtful that there is a camera attached to it. The street lamps may be...

Also, "abandoned property" could also be something like an abandoned church.

That's probably a good assumption. I would say by "abandoned property," then it's almost a given that there is a structure on the property itself that is currently uninhabited or disused or at a minimum uncared for. But it doesn't mean that her body was found in said structure. The structure...

I completely agree with this theory. While evidence that someone is in the trunk definitely indicates an abduction, it seems to me that it's not necessary that the person ever have been in the trunk. That being said, I do think Hannah was in JM's trunk at some point sadly, just not at first.

yep, in other words, "abduction"

This isn't completely directed at you because this topic has come up before but I think it's a little ridiculous that people think WG is suspicious simply because he was out in downtown Charlottesville - a known entertainment area - on a Friday night. I don't find that strange at all and if you...

A very good point. And we all have to consider that most of the "evidence" made public so far has been a plea for the public to come forth with information. They showed us the video footage and gave us her known whereabouts in attempt to jog people's memory to actually help them find Hannah...

Even if someone goes with someone else willingly, if the person then is held against their will, i.e. depriving them of their liberty, that still can qualify as abduction. Not a lawyer, but that is my understanding.

Yes, you're right on that. I know that Tempo is on 5th, but I still was thinking that the would have walked on Main St. at some point or were at least likely to if they were heading that way. But others have pointed out that it isn't necessarily the case.

I think that's been discussed based on some eyewitness descriptions, but I don't think we have any photos of that.

Oh I understand. I'd be hard-pressed to tell you what I wore on Friday night, much less someone else. But it would have been really helpful if WG had gotten something right. Why couldn't he have noticed the crocs? If someone is wearing crocs in public on a Friday night, that's notable right...

To charge someone, LE just needs probable cause so the bar is lower than for conviction. They did search his car and apartment, but I think they have been able to go off of something as simple as him saying that he was going to have sex with her. Plus the fact that no one has seen her since...

I think you're right, but there's something that's troubling me now. WG described his clothes as white shirt/black pants. I'm willing to let slide that he didn't remember what kind of pants he had on, and on the video it did look like he had on a white shirt. But now we know that JM had a...

Ah thanks. I was thinking that his car was actually parked somewhere south of Main St. so I imagined that they would have had to walk on the mall to get to his car, but I guess they didn't necessarily have to.

Yes I was thinking the same thing.

OK thanks for the clarification, but no I don't believe that that's possible. The two videos from the mall basically have the same time stamps, so they back each other up. Hannah is walking toward the direction of Tempo in both videos and in the 2nd video they're both walking together. And...

Could you clarify your thoughts a bit on this? Are you suggesting that the videos of them walking together might have happened post-Tempo? I don't think that can be the case, but I'm not sure if that's what you mean.

That's the only possibility that I can think of. Tuel and Sal videos timestamps basically corroborate each other. They may be a little off in one direction or the other but they're basically in synch. There's just no way that ordering drinks at 1:09 inside a bar with door security two blocks...

God that's icky though I figured that's what you meant. Do we have a standard name for something like that?

yep, still a , even while wearing crocs.