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    UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #35

    I'm not expressing any opinion other than that I think he's worth listening to and the programme was not wild and sensationalised as described by another member. I'm not equipped to deal with the medical or statistical evidence at all: do look at the programme and you'll see the statistics...
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    UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #35

    I have read the article by Dr Phil Hammond (his pseudonym there is "MD") in Private Eye and seen the TV programme in which he, not Gill, is the main narrator. I think it's a mistake to dismiss them and people should at least read and watch before making dismissive comments. Phil Hammond is a...
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    UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #35

    Didn't attend this one, I agree. One detail: they keep saying much was made of the 'I did this' notes, but as I recall the prosecution made much less of them than many of us expected - considering they are a strange thing for an innocent person to write, however much stress they were under...
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    UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #35

    The discussion goes on in the press: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/09/lucy-letby-evidence-experts-question
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #33

    I agree. These links with interviews with Dr Ravi Jayaram were probably posted on the last thread but I'll post them again: https://www.itv.com/watch/news/babies-couldve-been-saved-doctor-who-helped-catch-lucy-letby-blames-hospital/xcytcvm...
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #32

    No, not really. I just thought, this is the defence team going through the motions. As has been pointed out, BM was doing a professional job, not expressing his personal views.
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #32

    Yes, the BBC live feed makes it clear it was BM - I was confused at first by the Dan Donoghue link.
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #32

    Sky reports that a prison van has just brought Lucy Letby to court, but that she is expected to refuse to leave the cells. https://news.sky.com/story/lucy-letby-trial-live-jurors-in-tears-as-uks-most-prolific-baby-killer-found-guilty-families-devastated-and-angry-after-torturous-case-12918931
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #32

    From July 2022 'Previously, proceedings were only broadcast from certain Court of Appeal cases. The contract has now been extended to the Crown Court and Sky, BBC, ITN and Press Association are able to apply to film and broadcast sentencing remarks, with the judge deciding whether to grant the...
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #32

    Article on Operation Hummingbird: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/20/lucy-letby-dozens-more-babies-police-believe-chester-liverpool?utm_term=64e2e16bf788ea99ff2359417a156c31&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #32

    Of course you're right. The consultants were on the patients' side. Nurses would normally be too. There shouldn't be any difference. But this particular management in this situation, while claiming to be doing that, did actually seem to be grossly partisan in favour of LL and it's fair to ask if...
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #32

    I was driven to take up their free subscription offer. You just have to remember to cancel before they start charging you after 3 or 4 months (I forget which). I wasn't much impressed with that article but there are some other good ones.
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #32

    She could. You'd expect a union rep to be involved, but were they? It seems as if her parents took that role! I don't know what the dates are of the texts CS2C has quoted but I think calling the police came later, reluctantly, didn't it? Odd if this wasn't clarified when she was being...
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    GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #32

    Thank you for that link, it's an extremely interesting article, although as it's behind a paywall I had to sign up to 'four free months' to get it, and hope I'll remember to cancel it! There are a number of points I hadn't realised before, such as the fact that a different judge (Mrs Justice...
  15. M

    VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #30

    I think they can bring in new evidence or decide not to use a witness they used before, or as you suggest the defendant might decide not to appear. I also think that although the same barristers would normally appear there's no rule to say they can't be changed. Hard to imagine this working in...
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    VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #30

    Well, the police investigation of the Countess of Chester Hospital is continuing, isn't it? Operation Hummingbird. There was a recruitment ad for a DCI only last summer...
  17. M

    VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #30

    I agree. Sometimes the correct verdict on the legal evidence is not what we'd like, or even what seems fair. In that case, though, fortunately there was quite enough to put the perpetrator away for good (more or less) on the other murder charge (and there were other serious charges of which...

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