10/28/11 Private Investigator Returns, Baby Lisas Family Leaves

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Twelve of One said:
If every parent who gets drunk had their kids taken away from them, we'd spend the entire national budget on orphanages.


As a person in recovery (as in alcoholism) blackouts certainly come when you are drinking ALOT, too much and often. I am in no position to say DB is an alcoholic, but certainly people who only drink lightly and occasionally don't black out and lose their kids. Growing up in a home where my parents drank, was certainly harmful. If anyone here thinks that just because people get drunk with children in their home is ok and that it is a safe environment for two little boys to live in, I beg to differ with you. I am the last person to accuse anyone of doing anything to a child, because in this case, I'm not sure what happened, but the situation is questionable.
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Tuffy said:
BBM: not in Missouri, and actually not in Texas either. I actually grew up in Missouri and there are plenty of public lands, and many of them are undeveloped.
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If everyone would just search their own property thoroughly it would be a tremendous help.
 
lorann said:
If Lisa is still alive, she is in soimeone's home - not in a cornfield, woods, etc. We really do not want people searching someone's home. It would be a witch hunt for anyone who has a grudge against anybody.
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Alive or dead, she needs to be found, though.
 
katshep said:
I don't think they're going to Disney World. I think these people are in some kind of danger. They are moving them to a safe location.
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They are in no kind of danger. There are cameras on them 24/7. Are you referring to Tina Porter? The only danger there was having to talk to someone other than each other about baby Lisa.
 
I think the rest of the family started asking too many tough questions, Debbie freaked out, and told Jeremy that they need to live someplace else. MOO.

ETA: Who all lives in that house, anyway?
 
Did any news cars follow them? That might look like stalking, but KC's SUV was tracked by helicopter when she left jail. Just curious if there's any indication of where they went. I don't think they're going on vacation... IMO they want to hide from the media.
 
Wow! I hope i dont turn on the morning shows on monday and there is the family. moo If something has happened and they feel threatened they can thank their legal team. moo I have to take a break now this is getting to me! :seeya::seeya: I hope they find her and soon.
 
Twelve of One said:
If every parent who gets drunk had their kids taken away from them, we'd spend the entire national budget on orphanages.

Getting drunk while caring for kids is not a good idea but it is hardly grounds for taking children away from their parents. I can't imagine the trauma and damage that would be caused by removing those boys from their family right now.
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I am always amazed that people defend getting drunk with small children to take care of. When my first child was born, I realized my priority was her, not my wants. I wouldn't drink because I always figured if something happened to one of the kids and I had been drinking, I would be seen as a bad parent. If you want to get drunk, then get a babysitter. Plus I don't think it sets a good example for children to see their parents drunk. But that's just humble opinion.
 
NancyA said:
Once again I'm ready agree getting black out drunk in charge of children should be at the very least a huge societal cause for concern if not cause for intervention by the authorities. However, as stated on another thread, even the most normally assiduous of parents admit to drinking 'on the parental job' and unless and until something does happen to their children many, including professional childminders hired to babysit while parent go on a night out don't even think about the potential risks of leaving after the impaired parents come home.

The authorities aren't going to take steps unless a child is harmed or injured and yes, it can be argued that Lisa disappeared while her mom was drunk and incapable therefore that is harm or injury right there so maybe the authorities should act to protect the other kids - I don't know, I don't have the answers, I'm very torn. I just think that CPS won't intervene unless there is clear evidence of physical abuse or neglect and there doesn't appear to be any here. This case has certainly opened my eyes belatedly to things I did when my kids were little, no I never got blackout drunk but there were times when let's say I wasn't operating at 100% of cognisance so my attention wasn't what it should have been and have me thanking God no harm came to them because of my failure to think through properly what might have been.
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First...in my state it IS grounds to open a DFCS investigation if there are reports of a Mother being blackout drunk while being the sole cargiver for children. It is neglect....if there were repeated incidents...the children likely would be taken away. I do not know the statutes in KC...but I do know that they are similar to ours. I worked with DFCS for over 25 years.

This is a bit about neglect in Missouri.

http://www.ehow.com/list_6594778_missouri-child-endangerment-laws.html
Neglect
In Missouri, leaving a child without shelter, food, clothing or doing anything to compromise a child's safety is considered neglect under statute 210.110.



Read more: Missouri Child Endangerment Laws | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6594778_missouri-child-endangerment-laws.html#ixzz1cBEvufW7
 
I bet they are just going somewhere not too far and private so the boys can have Halloween and trick or treat and be kids.
 
Oh wanted to throw this out there. I think they are going to new york. too risky to fly now. They would be spotted for sure. moo


CaseSignal RT @woodsiecam: National network news also wondering where family is, Today Show stopped by looking for help in finding #LisaIrwin family #BabyLisa about 1 hour ago · reply · retweet · favorite


Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/generic/news/Lisa-Irwin-AMBER-Alert#ixzz1cBFKAaiK
 
CharlestonGal said:
I don't know the answer to your questions, but my dearest hope is that there is a flurry of child custody documents flying in from the other bio parents.
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Really? I would hope that neither bio parent would have claim to the children. They both seem to want nothing to do with the children. ANY parent that will go years without any attempt to see their child doesn't deserve them and they are not a parent in any sense.
 
packerdog said:
Really? I would hope that neither bio parent would have claim to the children. They both seem to want nothing to do with the children. ANY parent that will go years without any attempt to see their child doesn't deserve them and they are not a parent in any sense.
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I have no idea why they haven't seen these boys so judging whether or not they do or do not deserve to see them seems premature....IMO
 
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