10/28/11 Private Investigator Returns, Baby Lisas Family Leaves

[alwaysonmymind]

No MSM reports today? None at all!! I find that ODD

Due to exhaustion......

moo

 

[Debthree]

http://www.kmbc.com/r/29621147/detail.html

It states in the article that MOMENTS after Stanton returned to Kansas City, the family left with him (not exact words).

It is my impression that this was a planned dramatic convoy exodus. So are these people considered celebs now? 'Whisked away in a convoy' Really?

I just don't know what to think anymore......................

MOO

Travelling in convoy doesn't scream 'celebrity' to me at all. It just means they needed more than one car.

 

[Mandy113]

I have read some thought provoking comments here this morning. In a sense, Lisa is not the only victim here. Those two little boys have had their lives thrown into complete upheaval since her disappearance through no fault of their own. It's vitally important they be able to maintain some sense of normalcy through this ordeal.

I do not understand the parents behavior when it comes to the search for Baby Lisa. However, for the sake of those innocent little boys, I will respectfully climb back up on the fence. Where is Lisa? I don't know and I don't know who is responsible.

Prayers for Lisa and her brothers that this nightmare will be over soon.

JMO

 

[madge]

maybe they are settling the kids somewhere this weekend and going to have the interviews on Monday in some secret location. Will be interesting to see if the two networks who have been getting the big exclusives will have any ideas on where they are.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Travelling in convoy doesn't scream 'celebrity' to me at all. It just means they needed more than one car.

How about motorcade? The President frequently travels by "motorcade" to/from airports.

 

[Debthree]

How about motorcade? The President frequently travels by "motorcade" to/from airports.

Yeah but the president's motorcade is made up of custom-made bullet-proof cars worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. The cars DB, JI and their families left in looked pretty standard to me.

My family and I travelled in convoy last month....

... we were going camping and between the tents, the clothes, the climbing gear and the sausages and beans we needed 3 cars. :floorlaugh:

 

[vlpate]

It's bloody disgusting the whole thing. I have bile in my mouth as I read what's been going on. First of all there is no concrete proof that these people did anything to Lisa or made her disappear, oh yes there's a lot of speculation and disparate bits of 'evidence' and a disatrous PR circus that are all being cobbled together and make it look like they did.

I have bile in my mouth as well. I am sick to my stomach to think a mother who was given the gift of that beautiful little girl cares only about herself. When asked if she was drunk, she gives an indignant, "yeah"....like no biggie. Furthermore, she only admitted she was drunk when she got caught. LE knew that wine was there and they knew how much had been consumed - they just didn't know when the wine was bought until the surveillance video came out. Saving her own butt was more important to her than telling the truth - truth that would have helped with the time line when information about the last time she saw her baby was most important. She lied about the time she put her to bed and checked on her and she lied about what time she went to bed.

She just couldn't check the back yard because she didn't know what she would find....please...if your baby is missing you deal with what you find later, the important thing is not YOUR feelings, the important thing is finding a helpless and sick 11 month old. ALL of this causes bile in my mouth.

Maybe they did but until such time as LE see fit to make an arrest or announce they are POIs then surely human decency demands that people at least give them some benefit of the doubt and take a step back for the sake of their other children if nothing else.

Human decency is finding a baby who has no voice. Human decency is fighting for her when her own parents will not. God, imagine if you were a missing child and you saw your parents doing nothing to find you - not just sad, it's inhumane to watch. Human decency is NOT dodging the police behind the infamous Tacapino who represented Joran Van Der Sloot (who JT says killed the woman in Peru because he was driven to it by public opinion in the Natalie Hollaway case)......MORE bile in my mouth.

They left their home and took refuge with family and now have the media camped outside there, they have people on the internet demanding they talk, search, confess, have their other children taken away, nitpicking every little thing they do and say, demanding they do this, demanding they do that. Then they have people turning up unannounced at their door, sure they're well-meaning or sympathetic because they went through the same thing and want to help but, if they are feeling aggrieved because they are turned away, they have no one to blame but themselves for trying to insert themselves into this family's situation uninvited. And doing so in the full spotlight of the media smacks to me of self-serving publicity seeking. Want to know who their lawyer is? Gimme a break. It's all over the media who their lawyer is. Contact him and if you still don't get a response then too bad, deal with it, they don't want your help right now.

I agree with you on Terry Porter - she should have tried to arrange a meeting. Seeing this, and how little the parents are doing for Lisa, and how much they are doing to protect themselves, must drive her crazy....but she should have called.

The other children, IMO, should be taken away until there are answers. No one knows what happened to Lisa - no one knows whether she was kidnapped or killed in the house (cadaver dogs are 90% accurate). Until there are answers from the parents, they should be removed. I'd hate to think those little boys do know something and are terrified living with her, afraid of her. Not saying she did this, but it's a possibility.

Then we have reporters taking pictures of their other minor kids going to and from their school? The school they usually attend and kept there clearly in an effort to maintain at least some semblance of normalcy in their young lives at a time when they must be as bewildered as heck.

The pictures were blurred. Here's one....oh look, there's DB, preoccupied with something in her hand, not paying attention to where the boys are at all. They could have walked beside them, with the boys in between. All about Deborah though....she can't be bothered.

What next? The same mobs of nutjobs who picketed the Anthonys' home and Terri Horman's parents' home descending on them?

ITA, that was insane.

I don't for one second blame them for getting out and, more importantly, getting their kids out. I don't care if they went to Disney or the Bahamas or Shangri-La - fact is the adults can take care of themselves but those children at the very least need to be protected and away from all this and for those who would say they need to be taken away from the parents I'd say, unless there is some proof of abuse or neglect or endangerment, that's the last thing they need right now.

BEM: Exactly! I agree, and as far as proof of neglect....her baby is missing and she was passed out drunk when she was taken. Tanked up and snot-slinging drunk - taking care of three children under the age of 7 - ABSOLUTE neglect - Stilletto provided a link up thread, neglect is explained. Would you allow her to babysit your little ones? I wouldn't, my baby was too precious to me - why aren't these boys afforded the same protection?

I respect your opinion, and I admire those who want absolute proof before making judgments. I feel like I've seen proof of neglect and self-preserving antics on the part of DB, and in a way, JI. We just see it differently

 

[SyraKelly]

I think if Miss Porter wanted to assist, she should have made her initial contact through the police and offered her assistance and then through the attorneys. Going up to the door unannounced is inadvisable under the circumstances.

Katshep-I was saying the bold part was rude to say- if anyone came to my door looking to help me find my baby would be welcomed-the more eyes looking-the better chance in finding her-if I am innocent!!JMO

 

[SuziQ]

Due to exhaustion......

moo

I'm going to give the parents a break on that. That statement came from the former attorney. IMO, it's appears that her departure and the drama surrounding it led to the cancellations. Moo of course.

 

[Velouria]

I think if Miss Porter wanted to assist, she should have made her initial contact through the police and offered her assistance and then through the attorneys. Going up to the door unannounced is inadvisable under the circumstances.

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Er, how exactly is she supposed to make contact through the police when the parents aren't speaking to them?

And their attorney(s) will advise them not to speak to anyone, as their job is to keep the parents out of jail, not to find their missing daughter.

 

[vlpate]

maybe they are settling the kids somewhere this weekend and going to have the interviews on Monday in some secret location. Will be interesting to see if the two networks who have been getting the big exclusives will have any ideas on where they are.

These kids have relatives who adore them. One, I know of, was close to Jeremy's sister - why not send him to her? Let him go shopping for a Halloween costume? Let him go outside and play? No one is interested in stalking the little boys, they want to keep tabs on Deborah.

IMO, they are afraid to let the boys talk to anyone, or they would give them a break from all of this.

 

[KCMommie]

IMO, they are afraid to let the boys talk to anyone, or they would give them a break from all of this.

I fear gaslighting works so very well on children.

 

[Brooke]

About the family leaving......................

Gil Abeyta said on HLN yesterday that "this family has no support". I thought that odd at the time because they were staying with family and from what we've seen, there are quite a few people in that house at any given time. So, "no support" threw me a loop.


WHERE IS THIS CHILD???? (and why don't the parents seem to care if she is found?)

B&SBM


"No support".

They turn away people who have absolutely BTDT, people who are trying to help them (Abeyta & Porter). They have zero interest in talking in-depth with people with personal experience with abducted children.

They have, by their own choice, insulated themselves. They have, by their own choice, sequestered themselves.

There are legions of people who would be willing to support them. But perhaps those people might ask too many difficult questions...



Don't give me this "no support" crappola! :furious:

 

[Velouria]

These kids have relatives who adore them. One, I know of, was close to Jeremy's sister - why not send him to her? Let him go shopping for a Halloween costume? Let him go outside and play? No one is interested in stalking the little boys, they want to keep tabs on Deborah.

IMO, they are afraid to let the boys talk to anyone, or they would give them a break from all of this.

:highfive: :tyou:

 

[Brooke]

HA! AND there it is! <blows on her fingernails> Told ya.

Well, while we're all happy go lucky about how these parents are protecting their children from the press (they created) while not lifting a finger to locate or help to locate their child, lets hope little Lisa isn't in a trunk along with their luggage (or a wine box - considering Ft. Bragg). God Forbid!!

Wow. THEIR CHILD IS GONE! GONE!
No evidence?? Seriously?

Control by confusion apparently works well.

They simply do not seem to be concerned with anything other than themselves and banking on this from day two. They are NOT out looking for their child -- they became exhausted from doing interviews talking about "adult time" and how drunken stupors don't change who people are.

Maya Angelo says; "When someone tells you WHO they are; Believe them".

Unbelievable.

BBM

Another useful phrase, "You will know them by their fruits. By their fruits, you will know them."

 

[21merc7]

No support could mean he observed the family and the family probably just wants the chaos at that house to end, therefore no support. I can't imagine having 4 people move in with an undetermined amount of time hanging, media in your lawn and on your phone, just the chaos. He could have just said that as his way of rationalizing his own involvement. IDK.

As far as the children going to stay with someone else, it would seem it best to stay with their parents not other family members. They need their parents right now regardless anyone's thoughts on how they could be a better parent. There could also be an issue with custody from the other parents if the boys are not with the current parents. jmo.

 

[vlpate]

I fear gaslighting works so very well on children.

Wow, I haven't heard that term used in ages....so appropriate when it comes to children. I'm not talking about these two boys, I mean in general. Abused children everywhere are classic examples of this. It's amazing to talk to a brother and sister who were raised by the same abusive parent at the same time - both abused in the same ways, and each has their own version of how it went. One's reality was they were bad and deserved the abuse, the other saw the abuse for the stark horror that it was. Classic term.

 

[annalia]

B&SBM


"No support".

They turn away people who have absolutely BTDT, people who are trying to help them (Abeyta & Porter). They have zero interest in talking in-depth with people with personal experience with abducted children.

They have, by their own choice, insulated themselves. They have, by their own choice, sequestered themselves.

There are legions of people who would be willing to support them. But perhaps those people might ask too many difficult questions...



Don't give me this "no support" crappola! :furious:

In all fairness they didn't shut out TP, they told her to contact the attorney.

We assume that they even knew who TP was when she showed up unannounced, knocking on their door, after dark. No way would I let a stranger in my house or even talk to them if they just showed up on my doorstep.

Wasn't it reported that they did meet with Abeyta?

I'm one leaning towards DB's involvement, however people can't just invade their home, at anytime day or night. There are others living there, including children.

JMHO

 

[Debthree]

These kids have relatives who adore them. One, I know of, was close to Jeremy's sister - why not send him to her? Let him go shopping for a Halloween costume? Let him go outside and play? No one is interested in stalking the little boys, they want to keep tabs on Deborah.

IMO, they are afraid to let the boys talk to anyone, or they would give them a break from all of this.

Those boys are around their extended family all the time. In fact, in the first few days after Lisa went missing, I recall that the boys were staying with a relative while DB and JI stayed elsewhere. I remember reading posts here from people criticizing the parents for not staying with the boys. Sometimes those parents just can't win.

 

[Brooke]

In all fairness they didn't shut out TP, they told her to contact the attorney.

We assume that they even knew who TP was when she showed up unannounced, knocking on their door, after dark. No way would I let a stranger in my house or even talk to them if they just showed up on my doorstep.

Wasn't it reported that they did meet with Abeyta?

I'm one leaning towards DB's involvement, however people can't just invade their home, at anytime day or night. There are others living there, including children.

JMHO

BBM

Yep, for a whopping half hour!