Thank you for posting Amys account of the night of the 15th. I am rewatching the hearing at the moment and am frustrated by the number of lies Cindy told.
What hearing are you referring to? The one regarding whether the 911 call would come in? I'm trying to locate it!
I have a question for anyone who knows. In Lee's INTERVIEW with the State and Cindy's and also George's, they all slander Amy H and Tony and Ricardo - Lee goes so far to say she is into heroin, but is unable to prove this and says he never asked for proof from Dominic Casey (who told him this to beging with).
My question - can Amy H. sue for slander.
She can but she probably would not win. She has to be able to show that as a result of the lies, her reputation was damaged and that the damage to her reputation caused financial loss somehow. For example, she is called a heroin user and is fired from her job due to the lie, or she has a business but after people hear that she uses heroin, she loses clients and her business suffers.
Yes but the records are from December 2007 on. Logic, if you checked your account at the end of a month and saw several checks to your daughter and several checks to Target and a check for 167 to T Mobile and you know you didnot do it, you would put a stop to it and call the bank and say my daughter has been doing this and I want to make sure no one can write a check but me, wouldn't you. Cindy lets this go on and on and just closes her account and KC starts on another account about a month after she closes it but not before she steals from her grandfather.
There is no way that Cindy did not know about this unless she did not want to.
Cindy. What can I say? She is so disordered it's not funny. I think, in a way, she may have felt some weird sense of control by allowing casey to keep stealing her money. First, she could track her and find out what she was doing or buying and second, it gave her a reason to pry and to question everything that went on in casey's life. It also gave her a reason to criticize her princess, and scream at her, which I think CA sort of enjoyed in a subconscious, masochistic manner which I'll explain below.
Cindy could not differentiate between casey and herself, IMO. She was and is completely enmeshed. But when a parent enmeshes themselves totally with their child, often the child rebels by becoming very manipulative, secretive and closed off, revealing only superficial things to the enmeshed parent, so as to protect themselves from the utter domination of such a parent.
I know people like CA and I know what kind of parents they make. I bet dollars to donuts that she gave casey two very confusing and contradictory message as she grew up - messages that resulted in the monster we now see before us. Those messages were that casey was a princess who could do no wrong, at least when it came to other people's opinions and viewpoints (in other words, cindy would instantly take casey's side if casey complained about someone accusing her of something), and that casey is a horrible, out of control person who needs to be totally controlled by her mother to keep her in line. These messages came from Cindy's subjective identities, which were also conflicting: That of a deservedly indulged princess and that of a person with little talent, intelligence or grace who could never measure up and thus needed to be punsihed. Since CA saw herself this way, she saw this in casey and she helped create this in casey. So, casey became a narcissist, desperately hiding her feelings of not measuring up with delusions of grandeur, and a sociopath who felt that no matter what she wanted, it was justified, no matter the cost and that if she had to lie and steal from idiots to get what she wanted, that's okay, she could easily make up a story to get out of any trouble.
I believe that casey was very dominated from childhood through adolescence by her helicopter mother and that she struggled hard to have any identity at all. I think she felt that the best way to survive was to be mommy's perfect doll. But no one can keep that up. And sometimes when the mask slipped, especially if someone outside the family called her on it, mommy jumped to the rescue, so casey began to learn that she could be something other than what her mother demanded, as long as she kept that part of her secret. And, I'm sure that she grew to enjoy that part of her more and more as it became the only way to rebel against such smothering and as it somehow punished CA because casey knew that the things she did wrong would shame her mother if they ever became public. Being bad then, became casey's dirty little secret.
However, as time went on, the bad overwhelmed the good and what was left was a person addicted to being bad and the resultant, subconscious punishment of her mother, while also still longing to be mommy's princess and seething with rage at the impossibility of that task. That combination put everyone in casey's path at dire risk, even her good friends, like poor Amy and especially her family and helpless daughter. The dysfunction is so incredible it's almost hard to fathom the possibility of it all.
Yes, agree Solace. The difference for me is we have seen a number of people who have pushed themselves into this case for their own self promotion or need for attention, who have ended up needing lawyers.
I feel sympathy for someone like Amy H. who clearly looks like she will be affected by this for some time to come.
Poor Amy. She knew Caylee. She probably loved her like most people love their friend's little kids (especially when those kids are nice and sweet like Caylee!). She has to live with the thought that she was close with and trusted a person who murdered their own child for revenge and freedom. If I was in Amy's shoes, I don't think I would ever be able to get over something like that, to shake the pall of evil that fell across me from being in such a creature's presence.
IIRC it was speculation that Caylee was moved from ICA's trunk to AH's wrecked car after it was towed to a junkyard. Obviously, this wasn't the case. Though at that time, which was before Caylee's remains were found, some thought perhaps she would be discovered in that wrecked car. I remember we talked about it here on WS. I'll try and find it for you. 
