2008.10.15 George Anthony Speaks UPDATED 2008.10.16 Video Added

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The point was - everyone holds on to hope, even when it appears very obvious to others that there is none.
They have evidence. They smelled their granddaughter's decaying body in the trunk of the car. They are not just holding onto hope...they have openly disregarded the law and blatently lied for their daughter. They have knowingly withheld and destroyed evidence. The list goes on and on...
 
Watching that video made me think of 2 things:

1) He's buttering up the media by telling them how great they've been keeping this "missing child" story going because he knows that after today the media is going to back off unless there is breaking news in the case.
If the media goes away, there goes the attention they want so badly.

2) Does a man with pure white hair have pure black eyebrows?
Yes, I know that's an odd thing to think about while watching this but i'm struck by how much primping this family does while Caylee is out there somewhere more than likely dead.

I know people who have lost a child to illness and trust me they rarely wear make-up anymore, fix their hair, put on lots of jewelry or DYE their eyebrows so they look good.
They are dragging themselves around just trying to get through the day; going through the motions.

Yesterday Casey kept messing with her hair. Why didn't she just tuck it behind her ear?
Because she wanted to keep her "style" looking good.

I have never seen people who are suffering focus so much attention on how they look.
It sickens me.

Yes, it is possible that a man (or woman) can have white hair and black eyebrows.

I think it is ridiculous to insinuate that GA dyes his eyerbrows, or to chastise Cindy, or George, etc for wearing make up or fixing their hair. Everyone is different. When my loved one died, I woke up and put on make up, etc because it was "routine" and "familiar" and made my life feel more normal. It also helped me "feel" more pulled together mentally. I don't see anything wrong with this.

Also, I don't think Casey was worried about "hairstyle" as much as it was a nervous, evasive gesture, because she knew she was standing in front of a bunch of people who KNEW she was lying.
 
This denial - is not HELPING KC -

KC needs them to accept what she has done and then help KC

come to terms with it - so she can tell where she is

Clinging to the kidnapping story is going to be the end of all of them

ITA. But I don't think she'll tell.
 
Here are my observations of what we are seeing manifested:

1) This IS a dysfunctional family. They have been for X number of years. We do not know the depth, but we can certainly see the symptoms in Casey and in Cindy.

2) Like I said yesterday, and we all know this, Casey was not raised by wild monkeys. She was raised by George and Cindy. She didn't become a soociopathic liar and thief overnight ( leaving her child's murder out of this) . She started these behaviors in childhood or early teens. A good person wouldn't do what she did with the credit card thefts and the stealing of her own grandparents money, wouldn't plan what she planned even before Caylee went missing( was killed by her mother).
George and Cindy bear a huge burden for what they ALLOWED Casey to become without proper supervision, or at least, without any remedial measures such as having her face the legal consequences of her actions at the time or sending her to an adolescent Psych. long-term facility.
Casey had to have underlying emotional/ mental problems as a child or young teen.

3) The fact that George shows sorrow is a sign that he, at least, has a conscience, and has grief, in some measure, over the tragic situation his family is in.
However, his words about finding a live Caylee is a classic example of people who are in denial about their family member's death. I must tread lightly in saying this, but people, there are cases here which only lack a body. There is credible evidence that the person is long deceased, but the family refuses to accept what investigators tell them because there is no body, and the case remains marked unsolved.There is a case here, where I have talked to the mother, and I felt very strongly that a known serial killer in the same town at the same time killed her daughter over 20 years ago. I asked her about the man and she didn't know who I was talking about. I contacted the sheriff's department in charge to discuss the possibility that the teen was a victim of this serial killer, and the Sheriff's investigator who was assigned to the case said that they had NO doubt but that the girl was a teen victim of this man. She even looks startlingly like one of his 4 known victims. The problem is that he is sitting on death row, with nothing to lose, and will not give up either how he disposed of the bodies, or where the remains may be. Simply refuses to do so. There are probably over 20 long missing young women of a certain body and hair type which he will not " give up" to LE.
So, we have people like the heartbroken mother who keeps looking for a LIVE daughter. Despite everything, which is enormous evidence that this man used his usual MO and snatched her from a city street over 20 years ago, the mother is looking for an older, alive daughter.
For those who are new to this type of denial, we are seeing it with the Anthonys. The fact that their own daughter is now in jail on murder charges hasn't seemed to lessen their denial. I don't understand this in Caylee's case especially, because I believe I could accept death if a detective told me about the decomp. in the car, which the Anthony's smelled for themselves!!

4) We do NOT know what George did or did not tell the GJ. We may never know unless it was significant enough to come out in trial.
However, I believe that he does love Caylee and Casey, and I believe he has a deeper sense of responsibility to Caylee at this point than Cindy has manifested to us publicly.

5) He may have felt quite differently yesterday while talking with HIS attorney pre- GJ and during the GJ testimony than he does today, after 12+ hours back in his home, with his wife and son, but without his daughter. I was disappointed in what he said in the interview I watched, but I can see why he would say he supports Casey while he continues to hope that Caylee is found alive. It's a straw house he lives in and it will come tumbling down, but it's his and their reality for now.

Everything I believe about this is tragic and sad. There's no way for it to be anything but.


In all fairness to George and Cindy...look up anti social personality disorder.

There is no effective treatment or cure. You also can't have someone committed for it.

There is also no evidence parents are the cause.
 
This is so sad, hearing George hold out hope. I thought about this alot today. Think about it gang, when theres a death in any of our families we see the body, we have closure at a funeral.The grandparents have no closure, so they will not believe it.
If Casey loved her parents she would tell the truth and stop torturing them!
 
i'm tired of them all accusing everyone of giving up. That part makes me sick. Dear anthony's, don't you think we would look for her if we knew where to look? I swear i do not believe she is alive, but so help me god if i saw a girl tomorrow in the supermarket that i thought was caylee i couldn't not call and let someone know. I'd be calling directly to orlando and i'd be following the person. I'd make a fool and a nutcase out of myself if i thought there was a chance she could be alive and i found her.


amen.
 
xdaten,

I am so sorry for your loss and thank you so much for your wise words!

I feel nothing but heartache for George, Cindy, and Lee and totally believe they are dealing with this as they can.

I totally see them as not being able to face the truth and my heart goes out to them all.

I think Cindy shut down right after she called police and made the "dead body in the car" comment. She is "undoing the truth" and "in a pathological state of denial" as Dr. Bethany Marshall (who appears on Nancy) described.

I believe the family's feverish behavior and refusal to look for a dead Caylee is testament to how MUCH they loved Caylee and how IMPOSSIBLE it is for them to face the truth right now.

I send them nothing but good thoughts that they will be able to accept the truth eventually and move on as best they can.

None of their behavior is suspect to me in any nefarious sense. I just see them as staving off the most unbearable pain imaginable.
 
They have evidence. They smelled their granddaughter's decaying body in the trunk of the car. They are not just holding onto hope...they have openly disregarded the law and blatently lied for their daughter. They have knowingly withheld and destroyed evidence. The list goes on and on...


That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

I personally don't agree with judging anyone in a circumstance that I can not even bear to imagine going through.
 
What you are doing, and I have seen it done time after time, is focusing on one thing at the exclusion of all else.
I will even say forget the 31 days Caylee was not reported missing, as we are talking about the family, not Casey, and this, IMO, was beyond their control.

In all those other cases you have cited, was decomp found in a suspicious area associated with these missing children?
Did any of these people lie to cover for the POI?
Did any of these people cooperate with LE and searchers?
Did any of these people deliberately try to mislead searchers?

Speaking only for myself, I didn't follow the Smart case very much, and I did think Elizabeth was dead. However, I never thought anything was wrong with the Smart family for believing she was alive. This case and that case, other than having a missing child, have nothing else in common.
Lanie

Did any of these people have to deal with not only the brutality of missing someone they loved, but the incomprehensible accusations that a piece of thier heart killed them? If they did - you can not say with certainty how they would have reacted. Look at the Peterson family! Look at what it does to you, having these kinds of things invading your mental sanity. It makes you twist nonsense into sense in a very sad attempt to hold on.

My point is, no matter what the circumstances and no matter what it looks like to everyone else, it is not human nature to just surrender to the fact that someone you love so very much is dead. They have to hope to survive. It's completely natural. They WANT Caylee to be alive. They WANT thier daughter to be innocent. They are human.
 
"Baez and the Anthonys have said the real story will come out in court." www.wesh.com

http://www.wftv.com/video/17719972/index.html

Er, yeaah... ya mean like those people they're "watching?" Just when we hoped GA was finally facing reality. At this point it sounds like the only way to "keep hope alive" is by burying the truth. Denial isn't faith. Faith does not call those things that ARE (already) as though they WEREN'T, it calls those things that are NOT (yet) as though they WERE (huge difference). Why not have HOPE their daughter will one day confess, or FAITH their granddaughter will one day receive a proper burial? So long as they go on clinging to false hope these parents, and grandparents, are only perpetuating their daughter's web of deceit--and not assisting her in any way to accept responsibility or face the truth. Yesterday I had such high hopes for GA and actually believed him when he said he was thinking of his granddaughter. And that it might bring CA--and by the strength of their agreement, eventually even KC around to reality. But today there he is with both feet firmly planted back in LaLaLand, either regressing or totally caving to CA, enabling the deception which is itself a HUGE payoff for KC, and reason enough for her to maintain the lies. JMHUO

I vote for caving to CA. Caylee's gone. KC is too...even if she were aquitted (heaven forbid) George will never see her the same way. I don't think George wants to lose his wife and son too.

I think George lost his manhood long ago.

I believe George "knows" and he is publically making a fool of himself because he "has to". It probably isn't the first time and won't be the last.

IMO
 
Watching that video made me think of 2 things:



2) Does a man with pure white hair have pure black eyebrows?
Yes, I know that's an odd thing to think about while watching this but i'm struck by how much primping this family does while Caylee is out there somewhere more than likely dead.

I know people who have lost a child to illness and trust me they rarely wear make-up anymore, fix their hair, put on lots of jewelry or DYE their eyebrows so they look good.
They are dragging themselves around just trying to get through the day; going through the motions.

Yesterday Casey kept messing with her hair. Why didn't she just tuck it behind her ear?
Because she wanted to keep her "style" looking good.

I have never seen people who are suffering focus so much attention on how they look.
It sickens me.


OMG!!! I've seen it all!
Some people CARE about their appearance, it's just how they are. I don't think coming out looking unkempt and tacky would garner any more sypmpathy for them, it seems some people are going to critcize them no matter what they do.
Fiddling with the hair is a nervous habit.. I do it all the time. It means nothing.
And YES, a man can have snow white hair and black eyebrows without dyeing them. If he were going to dye his hair, he would do it on his head, too, doncha think?
 
In all fairness to George and Cindy...look up anti social personality disorder.

There is no effective treatment or cure. You also can't have someone committed for it.

There is also no evidence parents are the cause.


Have you done a psychological interview and personal assessment on her?
You really cannot accurately state that she has " anti-social personality disorder" and refute that her parents had any responsibility in her sense of entitlement and extreme selfishness unless you have, or have a released psychological profile stating that she is Anti-Social disordered.
I think she has traits of mixed personality disorder, with narcisstic being the prominent one displayed, but I cannot state with any certainty because I have never interviewed her or seen any psychometric test results.

I stand by my assertion that children are brought up by their parents to be the adults they will turn into, with few exceptions.
 
My son died of SIDS, I fiound His body, I was his main caretaker. It took me 5 months to accept he was dead. I was pregnant again, and I was still beliveing him to be alive. I had this fantasy that he was kidnapped, the body I found, with rigor already in place was a really good fake. Since our local LE didn't handle many sids cases, they didn't know lividity in infants looks like bruising. They didn't let me go with him to the hospital, I didn't ever hear a doctor pronounce. Being 10 feet away from him at the funeral home, I didn't or couldn't touch him then. Even knowing they cremated him on July 3rd, even bringing home his ashes. Nothing settled it for me. I just woke up one day and finally decided I needed to start living again for my pregnancy and 3 year old. I had to put his memory in my heart and keep him alive only in my dreams.

My son lived for 6 weeks only, I know that. I accept that now. If you wake me up out of a sound sleep and ask me tho, I would, even after 16 months, tell you he is alive.

Watching the A's is like a twilight Zone episode to some, but to me it is seeing my own life played out on national TV. I would be just the same as G
& C A. If you can judge them, then maybe you are better and saner than I am.
 
if anyone can watch this without crying they are stronger than me. I think this is my feelings exactly when it comes to needing to find the child either way, alive or dead, before I can be comfortable saying I believe either way. Just the what if..... Regardless, I still think KC is a heartless monster who never deserved the gift of motherhood.

While I believe in my heart Caylee is dead, I do agree everyone should always keep their eyes open to things that just don't look right. Pay attention to missing kids posters & keep an eye open. Even today at the mall & Walmart I did. Do I pray Caylee will be found alive, yes, every day. I think the evidence points the other way.
 
My son died of SIDS, I fiound His body, I was his main caretaker. It took me 5 months to accept he was dead. I was pregnant again, and I was still beliveing him to be alive. I had this fantasy that he was kidnapped, the body I found, with rigor already in place was a really good fake. Since our local LE didn't handle many sids cases, they didn't know lividity in infants looks like bruising. They didn't let me go with him to the hospital, I didn't ever hear a doctor pronounce. Being 10 feet away from him at the funeral home, I didn't or couldn't touch him then. Even knowing they cremated him on July 3rd, even bringing home his ashes. Nothing settled it for me. I just woke up one day and finally decided I needed to start living again for my pregnancy and 3 year old. I had to put his memory in my heart and keep him alive only in my dreams.

My son lived for 6 weeks only, I know that. I accept that now. If you wake me up out of a sound sleep and ask me tho, I would, even after 16 months, tell you he is alive.

Watching the A's is like a twilight Zone episode to some, but to me it is seeing my own life played out on national TV. I would be just the same as G
& C A. If you can judge them, then maybe you are better and saner than I am.

hughughughughug

you post was beautiful, insightful, and will hopefully help everyone understand that is is easy to SAY what you would/wouldn't do, but everyone grieves differently, and it's not so cut and dry...
 
This is so sad, hearing George hold out hope. I thought about this alot today. Think about it gang, when theres a death in any of our families we see the body, we have closure at a funeral.The grandparents have no closure, so they will not believe it.
If Casey loved her parents she would tell the truth and stop torturing them!

ITA.

Even Susan Smith owned up and gave her family and her ex closure. Her boys received a final resting place.

I guess that makes her more compassionate.
 
It is my opinion, that George, like any other family member missing a loved one, will not accept that Caylee is dead until he knows they have a body. Faulting him for that is ridiculous. Nevermind asking the man to accept his baby granddaughter is dead when he doesn't have a body, but asking him to accept that his own daughter killed her, is not something that ANYONE would be willing to accept without 100% proof. Ie: a body and a confession. These are his two baby girls, in his eyes, and I think the judgement of him is rather harsh. In every missing case, the families fight for hope, and pray for miracles - please don't bash George for doing the same.

Thank you for saying that. :clap: The Anthony family is trying to survive one of the worst things imaginable. I don't personally believe KC's stories, but if clinging to those stories makes it possible for the Anthonys to keep functioning right now, then so be it. I don't believe they were involved in whatever happened to their precious granddaughter, and I feel a great deal of sympathy for their pain and grief (as I would for anyone in the same circumstances).
 
Xdaten..There are no words I can say to you to lighten your pain. I know all too well the fear of losing a child. My oldest is bi-polar and I almost lost her a few years back. I am truly sorry for your loss. I hope with all my heart you are right. I would never tell anyone to give up hope because I know I wouldn't. Thanks for sharing your opinion.:blowkiss:
 
It does seem confusing. We have always seen a different side of GA when he is in public & a different side when he is all alone with LE. I think GA knows Caylee is not alive. I think he is pandering to Cindy with his statements & I think the bb gives him something to do. I wish he would spend his time with his minister & a grief counseler.
 
I feel compassion for GA and great sadness. I prefer the GA we saw and heard yesterday. To me once he got back home he was once again brain washed. Most of his statement sounded like something that could have came out of CA's mouth. Almost like she MADE him go out and give a statemet just to make them look like they are still a united front. I don't believe in his heart he thinks Caylee is still alive.
JMO

You know Tammie I agree. It's like he had to face reality yesterday out in the real world and then went back to Cindy's world. I can't help it, I like him. George did the right thing yesterday but maybe he's just not strong enough to carry it forward while living with that situation. Also in his statement he says his daughter would not hurt Caylee he just knows it isn't that one of the stages of grief. Bargaining right before acceptance?
 

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