2010.04.05 Hearing Today Monday 10am EST

[chesterp]

I was looking to see if a thread was started yet on Joseph Jordan part in the search for Caylee, and did not find one. I will post this here since his name was mentioned at today's hearing and he was a no-show for the defense. I really wonder why he was a no-show?
In this Old article about Joseph Jordan, sounds to me that he may of been in contact with the Anthony's as well. He claims he was doing an independent search, now it is said he was a TES volunteer. So, it could be he searched near the area before he became a volunteer for TES. I remember other about him, but will wait to post when I have back up links.

Is he the guy whose group found the MM dress? They did a lot of searches on their own..other items found gas can?piece of material? etc.

 

[Oakley]

oh he (CM) called Nejame a lil person!

MN exudes such class, confidence, sophistication, and intelligence. CM is a crude, brash hayseed bag of wind. JMO.

 

[faefrost]

Exactly!!!!!
Even if someone did move the remains there, it dose not mean that that someone else killed Caylee! It only proves that someone helped dispose of the body and that is another case in itself.
:furious: Casey is the one who "NEVER REPORTED CAYLEE MISSING"
HAD DECOMPOSITION IN "HER" CAR TRUNK,
and hid from her family for 31 days.
:furious: IT WAS 31 DAYS LATER THAT CINDY CALLED 911 AND PUT CASEY ON THE PHONE TO REPORT CAYLEE MISSING, AFTER CINDY CLAIMED THAT CASEY STOLE HER CAR or WHAT EVER THE REASON WAS FOR THE FIRST CALL!
CASEY NEVER HELPED LE, NOR HELPED WHEN SHE GOT BONDED OUT BY LP TO WHERE CAYLEE MAY OF BEEN!
NOT ONE OF THE ANTHONY'S LIFTED A FINGER TO SEARCH FOR CAYLEE, AS A MATTER OF FACT THEY PRETTY MUCH TREATED TM LIKE TRASH FOR TRYING TO HELP LOCATED CAYLEE. CINDY'S EXCUSE FOR NOT SEARCHING WAS BECAUSE IF SHE PUT A SHOVEL TO THE GROUND IT MEANT SHE WAS NOT SEARCHING FOR A LIVE CAYLEE! Something to that effect. Point being that non of the Anthony's helped search for Caylee and they did not report her missing for 31days. IMO, they already knew what happen to Caylee and were buying time! Just like Baez is trying to buy/waste time with these ridiculous motions IMO. :truce:

:banghead:If someone moved the body which I doubt, but I am no expert it would be someone in the family because it even took Caylee's main care taker CINDY ANTHONY 31days to call 911 and report her missing, and that was after calling 911 to claim that Casey had stolen her car, which by the way was already home in the driveway if I am not mistaken!

What really astonishes me with this entire "someone else put the body there after KC was in jail" approach to the defense is it is completely self destructive. As soon as they say "well someone other than KC must have moved the body!" all the prosecutor has to do is pop in that tape of DC's little woodland adventure. The only physical location the defense or agents thereof ever searched was that spot. If the defense says the body was moved, and you have a video of an actor for the defense or defendant standing at that location before the body is discovered... well how do you think the jury is going to take that? "Pure coincidence!" errrm? I think not.

The SODDI defense doesn't work to well when the juries attention will instantly inexcusably be riveted on a dude that the defendant is supposedly paying for " investigative services".

 

[notthatsmart]

No, you are incorrect about this. Baez et al. said it was not from any FBI agent, but they were wrong. There was only a tiny fragment of DNA found on the tape and it was consistent with one of the FBI agents as well as probably 20% of the rest of the world because it was such a tiny fragment.

The Q107 collection paper on which the unknown hair was found was placed under the World of Disney bag and the Gatorade bottle with the syringe in it, so most likely fell off of one of those items.

I look at it this way, the one piece of dna was determined to be from an fbi agent. The Fbi did the right thing and investigated and found it to be from one of their own. I commend them for this. On the other hand, the other piece of dna was not claimed by the Fbi to be from one of their own. And you are right, it could be from 20 percent of the entire worlds population. So, technically you are right, and I am wrong. It is consistent with a large part of the population and one of the fbi is part of that population. I wonder if Pipitone called this allele 17 or something like this. Do you know which Fbi agent that this is consistent with?

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Is he the guy whose group found the MM dress? They did a lot of searches on their own..other items found gas can?piece of material? etc.

That is who I am thinking about...I can't find the old articles but I though it was him who found the MM dress, panities on the fence and other.

If you notice other's joined his search team as well, not sure if they also joined TES later on.

"Snip" http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=5660883&page=2

W. L., a 27-year-old Orlando, Fla., resident, met Jordan while responding to calls for another search party through message boards on a local news station's Web site.

"The station kept saying, 'visit our message boards,' so I said, 'What the heck?'" Locke said.
There, Locke found a like-minded community that included C, a 51-year-old Orlando hotel concierge and grandmother. W, like L, had been following the case and felt a pull to Caylee.
"When I see this little girl's face, I just want to cry because it could be my granddaughter," W. said. "It just felt like nobody was out looking for her." The group that coalesced on these boards formed a search party and agreed to meet for the first time on Aug. 12. Jordan soon combined his group with theirs.
In recent weeks, the group's work unearthed what they thought might be of interest in a local park: clothing, including underwear that fit the description of a pair that Caylee had been wearing, as well as two backpacks. "The easiest way for me to describe it is, everybody's heart dropped. We didn't believe we were going to find anything," Locke said.
When the group found the items, they immediately called the sheriff's department, according to Locke. Authorities responded, roped off the area and walked away with items.

 

[ButForFortune]

Is it just me, or does anyone else have trouble understanding what CM is saying in court? I just cannot interpret about half of what he says with his slurry southern drawl - I wonder how many jurors will have the same problem?

 

[AZlawyer]

I look at it this way, the one piece of dna was determined to be from an fbi agent. The Fbi did the right thing and investigated and found it to be from one of their own. I commend them for this. On the other hand, the other piece of dna was not claimed by the Fbi to be from one of their own. And you are right, it could be from 20 percent of the entire worlds population. So, technically you are right, and I am wrong. It is consistent with a large part of the population and one of the fbi is part of that population. I wonder if Pipitone called this allele 17 or something like this. Do you know which Fbi agent that this is consistent with?

I have her down in my notes as "K3"--I don't really know why her name matters, though. She was one of a handful of FBI lab techs who would have had close contact with the tape.

 

[notthatsmart]

That is not true!

Both the fragments were attributed to FBI and a lab tech; they were both accounted for! There is no "mystery" DNA anything and this nonsense should be put to rest once and for all.

Well its probably for another thread, but I disagree. Both pieces of Dna are not accounted for at all. IMO If you could provide a link to an official document that shows that both pieces are accounted for. I will gladly put this to rest. thanks

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Is he the guy whose group found the MM dress? They did a lot of searches on their own..other items found gas can?piece of material? etc.

He used to post here. IIRC, he posted pics of some of the stuff they found so they may still be on a thread here somewhere. He changed his "handle" here, but JB knows what it was - firestorm or something. He actually posted pics of a pink and white type blanket that we all thought matched the one Caylee was laying on in a picture of her in a bathing suit. He found items in JBP that was underwear which was polka dot and thought to match a bra that KC had on in a pic.

It all turned out to be a big "NOT" though. But the pics are, or were, here on WS.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

speak of the devil....JB has bumped that thread for us.

 

[milliac]

That is a great point I've raised that myself several times. If someone moved the body, they moved it - it doesn't mean Casey did not kill Caylee. That argument makes no sense in any way.

Anyone could have moved Caylee after Casey murdered her. Maybe someone who was mad that people were searching for a dead Caylee instead of an alive Caylee?

Exactly. I actually did watch the interview with Baez and Mason. Mason said something to the effect that there is no evidence tying KC to the murder and someone "else" must be involved. My mouth dropped to the floor, as instantly my mind thought he knows she is guilty, but they are defending her by the argument that Caylee was moved. They are only trying to create reasonable doubt as their best defense at this point. :banghead:

 

[notthatsmart]

Let's look at this with an analogy that would involve all of us as members.

Let's suppose that the defense read a posting on this board that it considers POSSIBLY being relevant to the case. Let's say a poster made a comment about being on Suburban searching for Caylee in October 2008 and searched that eventual recovery spot, found nothing, but this poster is identified only as "SUBURBANDIVER".

Would you expect Tricia or WS to immediately turn over all personal information of our members, INCLUDING YOURS, to the defense, disregarding that doing so may cause many members personal information to eventually be made public and everyone would now know who you were ....?

Or would you expect Tricia and WS to fight venomously to keep YOUR information private if she knows you are NOT "SUBURBANDIVER" but provide the information on SUBURBANDIVER only if ordered so by the courts?

I can personally say that I know that Tricia is very similar to Tim Miller in this regard.....but she's much cuter! :woohoo:

When I look at it in this manner (since I am not a TES searcher), I can COMPLETELY understand and ADMIRE Tim's protective nature of those who offered their assistance in searching for Caylee...

I would expect they would only ask for information on the searchers, not the rest of ws. That being said, I would expect Tricia to cooperate with the courts. If the Judge feels the information is pertinent and ask for the records, then I would expect her to turn them over. I would not expect her to put up a huge fight, and I doubt that she would have to. Everything is wide open here for anyone to see. I don't expect Tricia to protect me, or pay to have me represented. I am responsible for my own actions. If I were on a search mission, I would know darned well that I could stumble upon a body and end up in court. I would not expect any protection, I am a grown up and can take care of myself. IMO

 

[Nore]

That, or the storms and rain could of moved Caylee's remains. Casey could of dumped her off in the area and with the storms the body/remains moved and ended up around 15 feet from the sidewalk. God works in mysterious ways I say.

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Madjnlaw, in the interview T.M. gave after the remains were found he said the same thing you did.This was the interview with media and a few others within hours of the finding.Dr. G. said it appeared the remains had been there since late June or early July.Yes they could have been moved by water thus closer to the road.I dont know how B. will handle this, Dr. G. is unbiased. She just wants justice done to criminal,no favorites!:waitasec:

 

[mitzi]

Oh Lordy me! I am only on page 7...missed the hearing today, and thank you, thank you, thank you all for the play by play!! I feel like I was there! I'm at the part where NeJame is wiping the floor with JB and Co. Now THAT is an attorney!

You all are awesome in your reporting!...just had to say...now back to the floor-mopping! :dance:

 

[RR0004]

I am bringing this over from the TES thread.

If you have never read it yet, check out what Joe Jordan testified to under oath, ( transcript # 2), good stuff! Your story brings to mind the mysterious Laura Buchanan,
she claimed to have searched with Joe Jordan, and he has no idea whatsoever who she is, says she told him she is a KY LEO. She filled out forms saying he searched with her at Blanchard Park, where he is adamant he did not search!! She was working with the defense and asked Mort to call Mr. Jordan. WTH?

I found that Laura Buchanan is a friend of Cindy and George. She posted a message to Caylee publicly back in October of 2008 wherein she gushes about them and how much they love Caylee. It is www.respectance.com/CayleeAnthony/index/236 on page two. Now I will look into if she has or is in LE in Kentucky. IF she did present herself as that and she is not, that is a crime. Her criminal background check , like Ms. Kerley's, will be published I am sure now that folks know she is a friend of the Anthonys of course everyone will look into everything about her veracity. Of course it is no crime to be friends with the Anthonys , but it does bring into focus potential motives for her working with the defense. One always has to consider the source, especially in a case like this that brings out the Wrays , et al ,that are how shall I say this politely, troubled.


Click image for larger version Name: laurabuchanan2.pdf Views: 13 Size: 634.5 KB ID: 8477

I will type it here verbatim what her post was:

"October 20, 2008 by Laura Buchanan:

There could never be two people who have loved you more than your Grandparents.. I wish nothing more than for you to come home.. Your beautiful face is on my mind every night.. As I lay and pray for your safe return. Cindy and George are wonderful people if only others could see that!! I know them very well and you could not ask for better Grandparents.. We love you all"

_______________________________________________
What are the Penalties for Impersonating a Police Officer?
Depending on state law, impersonating a police officer may be considered either a felony or a misdemeanor. Punishments for impersonating a police officer include:

* Imprisonment up to five years (sometimes more)
* Fines (usually $1000 or more)
* Probation
* Permanent criminal record

It is in Mr. Jordan's statement, in transcript two that she told him she was KY LE. Maybe she is, but if she is not...this will not bode well for her to be considered a reliable witness, at all! Whether she committed a crime by doing so, I suppose depends on what lengths she went to presenting herself as a LEO. I am not looking to have her charged, but if she lied, that is important. The best predictor if someone is lying about other matters is if you have caught them lying already.
Moreover, this is so easily disproved that it would seem to indicate more character weakness and emotional immaturity for one to present themselves as a law enforcement officer. Denis of the KFN, for example, is a prime example of this type of deception. Birds of a feather rather flock together, so being a friend of Cindy's it will not shock me in the least to learn it is true that she lied about this and everything else.

Joseph Jordan #1 Transcript From 10/28/09
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22918297/detail.html

Joseph Jordan #2 Transcript From 11/05/09
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22918267/detail.html


The more the defense jumps up and down about wanting TES records, when we know they do not really, the more bad facts come out from the TES records. If this lady lied or falsified documents in any manner regarding TES, this is a nightmare for the defense. Rut row. Will the good guys in this case please stand up?

I am looking forward to the hearing on Monday! I stand with Mr. Miller, and I believe that he is, has and will tell the truth and the truth will prevail for Caylee!!! Shame on anyone who lied in this case.


My posts are just my opinion, it could turn out that she was being honest or she was honestly mistaken. I am only saying we now know she is a friend of the Anthonys and we need to look at that closely before we take her statements at face value.
"Trust but verify!" Ronald Reagan

Curious...how did she get to be such good friends with George and Cindy? She lives in NJ. IMHO she is irrelevant...anything she says is irrelevant...get her on the stand and the world will know how irrelevant she is.

And...if she's the same person we sleuthed...she supposedly had a business in NJ...LE? Huh...really?

 

[MissJames]

Well its probably for another thread, but I disagree. Both pieces of Dna are not accounted for at all. IMO If you could provide a link to an official document that shows that both pieces are accounted for. I will gladly put this to rest. thanks

Respectfully,IIRC it was you and Wyome who brought this subject up and said in your posts that you were going to search for those very documents.Again,respectfully ,you are now requesting that someone else do just that. As a courtesy I would ask that you provide the link to back up your original claim.
Thank you.

 

[marspiter]

I would expect they would only ask for information on the searchers, not the rest of ws. That being said, I would expect Tricia to cooperate with the courts. If the Judge feels the information is pertinent and ask for the records, then I would expect her to turn them over. I would not expect her to put up a huge fight, and I doubt that she would have to. Everything is wide open here for anyone to see. I don't expect Tricia to protect me, or pay to have me represented. I am responsible for my own actions. If I were on a search mission, I would know darned well that I could stumble upon a body and end up in court. I would not expect any protection, I am a grown up and can take care of myself. IMO

The point I think your missing though NTS is that TES, TM, and MN, were compliant with the courts order. The files were at MN's office for the defense to review as was directed by the court order. The defense failed to comply with that order. This current motion by the defense would hold greater weight if the defense actually showed up to review the files in accordance with the Judges order. I personally don't see where the defense provided enough of an argument to over turn the original order considering that the defense failed to follow that original order. In fact MN's office was nice enough to "hand deliver" the 32 files of searchers because the defense never picked them up.

The original order by the Judge was very clear. TES and it's representatives have complied fully with the order. The Defense has not. The defense was ordered to go review those files at MN's office and they didn't do so....period.

 

[Sun]

04/05/2010 Order Denying Motion to Modify the Courts Order on Defendants Application for Subpoena Duces Tecum for Documents in the Possession of Texas Equusearch

Newest entry on the Clerk of Courts records for the murder case.

 

[What'sThatClue]

Orlando News Channel 13 just reported that JS has ruled that TES does not have to turn over it's records. No link yet, it just came over the wires.

 

[QB.]

I hope this puts it to rest.