4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #85

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I’m with you here.

The fact that he turned off (or set to airplane) the phone during the murder window tells me he has some awareness of the technological pitfalls of being a criminal. I think he wanted to do it all as low-tech as possible.

I don’t think any fancy tech surveillance was necessary, between social media and the fact that this house was apparently a beloved college rental home with a long waiting list (per ABC).

Obviously he had to take the risk that the disappearance of his phone from the networks would be suspicious in and of itself, and maybe if he had just a few more IQ points he would have left the phone at home, but thankfully he didn’t.

If he was stalking over time and creeping about which personally I believe he was, and he is technologically aware and forensically aware (which we *know* he was) then I'm going to assume he took his phone with him for a solid reason.

He wanted it with him. Why?

He didn't need directions or google map. He wasn't planning on making phone calls. Did he want to take photos? Did he want to check online news after the event? Maybe he wasn't intending to return to his apartment for a long while after which is why he didn't just leave it there minding it's own business. Lots of ideas.

If he planned this event why didn't he take a burner phone for whatever he may need a phone for?

 

[ArianeEmory]

He didn't need directions or google map.

I’ve wondered about this part—are we sure he didn’t? It seems like he wasn’t a great driver. Is the assumption that he didn’t need directions because the area is so small/and or he’d already done so many recon trips?

 

[Boxer]

I’ve wondered about this part—are we sure he didn’t? It seems like he wasn’t a great driver. Is the assumption that he didn’t need directions because the area is so small/and or he’d already done so many recon trips?

Possibly for directions after, on the rural remote roads he went on.

 

[jepop]

I’ve wondered about this part—are we sure he didn’t? It seems like he wasn’t a great driver. Is the assumption that he didn’t need directions because the area is so small/and or he’d already done so many recon trips?

I think he went cross country, possiby to Blaine immediately after the murders (Moo), but if not and instead went direct down Highway 95 (with a 15 min stop to de-prep post murders) then PCA map definately shows him heading east either just before or just after the west turn-off to Genesee. He took a fairly windy and what looks like unsealed road east from 95 near Genesee to Union Town or thereabouts. So perhaps switched on phone when pinging off Blaine cellular resource when on 95 at 4.48am to see which road he was going to take. He also leaves Highway 195 when heading north back to Pullman to take a rural road through/near Bushby before connecting with Johnson road, He wanted off the main roads wherever possible, Imo. Moo

 

[Balthazar]

The DNA from other men thing is so funny to me - obviously, it's been known since the first MINUTE of this case they had a "party house". What are the bets one of the DNA profiles innocently belongs to Ethan's brother and they're gonna try to go some sick route for extra attention? I could definitely see that happening.

Of course they're grasping at straws, gotta do SOMETHING as the defense so you can get that sweet, sweet international fame & exposure (all the while unapologetically screwing over one of the victims' own MOM)... *insert largest possible eyeroll here*

MOO, as always

It’s not funny to me. These were found in relation to the victims. Why would Ethans brother be in MM‘s bedroom? Even before the crime that is not logical at all. If you mean Ethan’s BF who discovered EC and XK’s murder, again why was he in MM’s bedroom? That doesn’t make sense at all. Also LE would have taken the fingerprints and DNA of everyone known who was in that house so they were ruled out.

 

[Maat99]

It’s not funny to me. These were found in relation to the victims. Why would Ethans brother be in MM‘s bedroom? Even before the crime that is not logical at all. If you mean Ethan’s BF who discovered EC and XK’s murder, again why was he in MM’s bedroom? That doesn’t make sense at all. Also LE would have taken the fingerprints and DNA of everyone known who was in that house so they were ruled out.

Because they were friends and presumably Ethan’s brother was a frequent visitor? This isn’t the 50‘s where gentleman callers weren’t allowed into a lady’s bedroom. Girls have guy friends and they often converse or hang out in bedrooms, or borrow pencils, or a thousand other things that are part of everyday life.

 

[schooling]

It’s not funny to me. These were found in relation to the victims. Why would Ethans brother be in MM‘s bedroom? Even before the crime that is not logical at all. If you mean Ethan’s BF who discovered EC and XK’s murder, again why was he in MM’s bedroom? That doesn’t make sense at all. Also LE would have taken the fingerprints and DNA of everyone known who was in that house so they were ruled out.

IMO there’s a possibility that it does make sense.

Do you know the relationship between MM and Ethan’s brother or Ethan’s BF?

Maybe those two (and others who might be the owner of the sample(s)) had rock solid alibis and LE didn’t request a DNA sample from them. If the alibis aren’t rock solid I’m sure the defense will soon find out.

Also, comparing the gravity of Ethan’s brother/BF’s DNA being at the scene to the gravity of BK’s DNA being at the scene is a gigantic false equivalency. Those are nowhere near the same things. The former could have very well had an open door policy or was invited to visit the house on a daily/weekly/monthly basis. The latter was a lonely weirdo who had no business being inside of those walls.

MOO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

We've all heard the rumors that KG thought she had a stalker. I don't know for sure where that stems from, but I'm thinking SG maybe said it? And AT said there's nothing connecting BK to the victims (I know this could be word play).

I mean, thinking where the defense might try to go from here, if there was an account(s) communicating with KG (or any of the victims) via SM, that can't be traced back to a real person, or burner phone numbers that can't be traced back to the buyer, and the elantra plate can't be identified in any of the footage, and BK's phone can't be placed in the area on the night of the crime, and there is unidentified male DNA at the CS, then his defense team would definitely try to get the sheath DNA evidence suppressed, imo, because that is the only evidence that we know of that directly links him to being in the house that night. Of course, there could be a lot of evidence we don't know about, as well...

Yes, this concept seems to have been sidelined for the greater part but it was part of what the mainstream media news broke right at the beginning.

Also supported by the fact that their friend, one of the 'Js', was escorting them home to make sure they were safe, as evidenced by the food truck CCTV. A job that he appeared to be taking very seriously IMO.

 

[Cool Cats]

The 2 unknown DNA's could have been found anywhere in the house, not just the bedrooms, and Ethan's brother's DNA would not be unknown, it would match Ethan's DNA.

3rd unknown was on a glove outside.

2 Cents

 

[schooling]

The 2 unknown DNA could have been found anywhere in the house, not just the bedroom and Ethan's brother's DNA would not be unknown, it would match Ethan's DNA.

2 Cents

It’s the defense playing with words again to control the narrative and bypass the gag order. I can’t remember the qualifier they used. But whatever it was could have been inside of the room or on the first level. But some are choosing to interpret it as the former.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I’ve wondered about this part—are we sure he didn’t? It seems like he wasn’t a great driver. Is the assumption that he didn’t need directions because the area is so small/and or he’d already done so many recon trips?

That's my personal assumption which could be totally incorrect (obviously).

 

[schooling]

I was being sarcastic.
I was referring to all his devices not the imaginary spy camera on full charge..
A person who is not technically sophisticated will leave a trail, search histories and the like and use their own phones, pc's logged to their own addresses.
I very much doubt he left such a trail on any devices because he would have known how to clean it .
Burner phones and the like, now gone like the murder weapon.

It’s hard to tell when someone is being snarky or sarcastic on here for various reasons.

Burner phones are how criminals avoided law enforcement in the late 90s / early 2000s. Now, it’s one of the easiest ways to get caught. As the mafia and organized street gangs learned long ago, the Long Island Serial killer just recently found out and I suspect BK will too.

<modsnip - snarky>

 

[Cool Cats]

It’s the defense playing with words again to control the narrative and bypass the gag order. I can’t remember the qualifier they used. But whatever it was could have been inside of the room or on the first level. But some are choosing to interpret it as the former.

Most defense attorneys in these media saturated Cases do this, I'm glad you noticed it, @Betty P mentioned it. Where the defense gets around the gag order by proclaiming something sensational - but only partly true - meant to grab headlines.

A good example:

"There is no connection between Mr. Kohberger and the victims."

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

It’s hard to tell when someone is being snarky or sarcastic on here for various reasons.

Burner phones are how criminals avoided law enforcement in the late 90s / early 2000s. Now, it’s one of the easiest ways to get caught. As the mafia and organized street gangs learned long ago, the Long Island Serial killer just recently found out and I suspect BK will too.

<modsnip - snarky>

I'm not the person you responded to but it does strike me that as opposed to BK (if guilty) not being a 'genius', *if* this crime was planned as much as many of us imagine, albeit it may have gone 'off piste', then BK weighed up the odds of advantages versus risks of taking his phone.

So, instead of doing what I would have done, ie leaving my phone on my bed watching videos, he consciously decided to take it and put in on airplane mode instead. We have evidence that he was aware of the forensic implications as it had been a part of his specialist study areas.

IMO an understanding of what he was thinking would be reached quicker if people imagine that he didn't do this in error, it wasn't an oversight or misunderstanding or an unconscious act, it was a risk / judgement call decisively made. But why?

Also, maybe it's possible BK knew that he cannot even get in and out of his area in his car without being tracked or visible on CCTV and NPR road cameras. So his main priority was to never fall under scrutiny whatsoever in the first place.

Perhaps his weak point was not being careless or 'stupid' but being over-confident that no one would ever suspect him? Maybe his self-perception was way off beam and he imagined people view him as holier than thou, an intellectual, an authoritarian, and very prim and proper?

Whereas in reality people saw him as a loner, odd, and creepy. Most people's ego would protect them from thinking that's how people feel about them. JMO MOO

 

[Chloegirl]

I'm not the person you responded to but it does strike me that as opposed to BK (if guilty) not being a 'genius', *if* this crime was planned as much as many of us imagine, albeit it may have gone 'off piste', then BK weighed up the odds of advantages versus risks of taking his phone.

So, instead of doing what I would have done, ie leaving my phone on my bed watching videos, he consciously decided to take it and put in on airplane mode instead. We have evidence that he was aware of the forensic implications as it had been a part of his specialist study areas.

IMO an understanding of what he was thinking would be reached quicker if people imagine that he didn't do this in error, it wasn't an oversight or misunderstanding or an unconscious act, it was a risk / judgement call decisively made. But why?

Also, maybe it's possible BK knew that he cannot even get in and out of his area in his car without being tracked or visible on CCTV and NPR road cameras. So his main priority was to never fall under scrutiny whatsoever in the first place.

Perhaps his weak point was not being careless or 'stupid' but being over-confident that no one would ever suspect him? Maybe his self-perception was way off beam and he imagined people view him as holier than thou, an intellectual, an authoritarian, and very prim and proper?

Whereas in reality people saw him as a loner, odd, and creepy. Most people's ego would protect them from thinking that's how people feel about them. JMO MOO

I think that is spot on. And, two things can be true simultaneously. Smart in one area, clueless in another. JMOO

 

[kittythehare]

It’s hard to tell when someone is being snarky or sarcastic on here for various reasons.

Burner phones are how criminals avoided law enforcement in the late 90s / early 2000s. Now, it’s one of the easiest ways to get caught. As the mafia and organized street gangs learned long ago, the Long Island Serial killer just recently found out and I suspect BK will too.

<modsnip - snarky>

well he could have dumped all his devices, for one thing..

 

[Balthazar]

There were multiple warrants for numbers with unknown users. I added the Geofence warrants for dating. MOO

Geofence Warrants:

Verizon Geofence Nov 16 (served 17, returned 17) seal reasons: Intimate/Investigative technique Scope 3-5AM
ATT Geofence Nov 16 (served 17, returned 17) seal reasons: Intimate/Investigative Scope 3-5AM

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Verizon Wireless 1.pdf
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823 Order to Seal and Redact - ATT.pdf

Unknown Users:

Verizon 3 Unknown users Nov 16 (served 17, returned 17) sealed for: Intimate/Safety/Privacy Scope: Aug1-Nov16
T Mobile 2 Unknown users Nov 16 (served 17, returned 18) sealed for: Intimate/Safety/Privacy Scope: Aug1-Nov16

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - Verizon Wireless.pdf
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - T-Mobile.pdf

Geofence Warrant:

T Mobile Nov 26 (served 26, returned 28) sealed for: Intimate/Investigative technique Scope 3-5AM

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723 Order to Seal Redact - T-Mobile 1.pdf

Unknown Users:

ATT 2 unknown users March 30 (served 4/3, returned 4/12/13) sealed for: Intimate/Safety/Invest/fair trial
scope: June 23-Aug1

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/053123 Order to Seal Redact - ATT.pdf


IMO interesting when looking at the dates of the five early unknown user warrants in relation to the geofence warrant dates. Interesting that there are two numbers in this last warrant. JMO


Two Early Completely Sealed
Verizon wireless (Dec 2 seal for int facts/invest tech)

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/030723%20Order%20to%20Seal%20-%20Verizon%20Wireless.pdf

ATT warrant (1/7, seal for intimate facts/invest techniques)

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/022823%20Order%20to%20Seal%20-%20ATT.pdf

Edit: spelling

Two users. Intimate facts. Interesting.
Evidence of compartmentalization? Perhaps sexually compartmentalized so his parents didn’t know what he was doing and with whom? Same as OCD type trash sorting in the wee hours to hide what he was doing from family members. Grown man living with parents might seek to have some privacy somehow. All JMO.

 

[Balthazar]

MOO DD driver did not make loop around the Queen Apartments but just drove straight to the north facing front door with its parking area on King Rd.

MOO DD not included by GH because police said approximately 4am. No route provided.

GH does note that likely BK saw the DD at the end of his 3rd loop around the Queen Apartments, then pushed on for a 4th loop via Taylor+Walenta+.

As info. 1122 King Rd faces Queen Rd not King Rd. King Rd is the cul de sac to the west of 1122 King Rd. 1122 King Rd is not accessible from King Rd by street.

All just IMO

 

[Chloegirl]

Two users. Intimate facts. Interesting.
Evidence of compartmentalization? Perhaps sexually compartmentalized so his parents didn’t know what he was doing and with whom? Same as OCD type trash sorting in the wee hours to hide what he was doing from family members. Grown man living with parents might seek to have some privacy somehow. All JMO.

Were these for communicating with let's just say respondents to his online survey? Is this murder talk? I never really thought of that before just now, and hope to be wrong. JMOO

<modsnip - speculation outside the bounds of the known facts of the case>

 

[Boxer]

As info. 1122 King Rd faces Queen Rd not King Rd. King Rd is the cul de sac to the west of 1122 King Rd. 1122 King Rd is not accessible from King Rd by street.

All just IMO

You're right of course, I meant the north facing front door facing the Queen Rd. on the section running east west between King Rd. and where Queen Rd. turns south.