Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #185

[Tricia]

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

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Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at(800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff's Department at (765) 564-2413.

Information can also be emailed to Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

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NOTE - per Tricia and Sillybilly’s 5.28.2021 post here, JBC as a poi is now open for discussion in the Delphi thread.

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

A consolidation of ADMIN & MOD notes (edited November 24, 2022):

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[Tricia]

Mod Note:
For general JBC II discussions please use his thread. In Abby & Libby’s thread, JBC II should only be discussed in the context of a possible connection to Abby & Libby’s case.
Thanks Everyone!

JBC II Thread:
IN - James Chadwell II, 42, arrested after girl 9, found in his home, Lafayette, 19 Apr 2021 #3

Added 12/12/21
For general discussion on KAK’s current case please use his thread.
IN, Peru - Kegan Anthony Kline, 27, arrested Aug 29, 2020, 30 Counts associated with CSAM

 

[Tricia]

ADMIN NOTE:

Sorry folks, but statement analysis, body language analysis, amateur handwriting analysis is not allowed unless sourced to a credentialed, forensic specialist involved in the case under discussion.

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[Knitty]

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[Salah11]

I hope RA isn’t able to commit suicide and is on the strictest watch if it’s true he has tried multiple times. Justice won’t be served if he kills himself.

Moo

 

[girlhasnoname]

I hope RA isn’t able to commit suicide and is on the strictest watch if it’s true he has tried multiple times. Justice won’t be served if he kills himself.

Moo

Agreed and it's probably a big part of why RA is incarcerated as he his, fair or not in some opinions, the IDOC has the responsibility of his safety (from himself and/or others) while he awaits trial.

MOO

 

[grannygates]

my personal concern with the pre-trial conditions don't have anything to do with the guilt or innocence of RA. my personal opinion is about the precedent that will be set for pre-trial housing in the future and the increased likelihood that this will cause a person who is proven factually-innocent to also be subjected to these conditions.

I haven't been successful in finding much information online regarding other people who have been held in similar conditions while awaiting their trials, so it's hard to form a complete opinion regarding how unusual this is.

ALL MOO

 

[sunshineray]

A poster on a previous thread compared jail as a vacation compared to prison. I found this article about Indiana, their jails and prisons. It's from 2022 and an eye-opener as to just how overcrowded the jails are and the problems that can cause. They even send inmates from the prisons down to the county jails sometimes. It's an interesting read that touches on many aspects and opinions.

I still think RA wouldn't make it very long in a county jail, protection-wise, from others and himself. AJMO

To fix jail overcrowding, Indiana lawmakers look to send more Hoosiers back to prison

Supporters of a new House bill say state prisons are better equipped than many county jails to handle drug and mental health treatment.

www.indystar.com

 

[grannygates]

2023 Death in Custody Reporting Act data for Indiana, as collected by the Indiana Criminal Justice Institute for the Bureau of Justice Assistance.

The data for the 2023 calendar year shows a total of 174 deaths in custody across the State of Indiana. This is 3 more deaths than were reported in 2022. In April 2022, COVID-19 related deaths were no longer recorded for DCRA data.


Of these 174 deaths, 56% occurred in state prisons, 28% resulted from police interactions, and 16% occurred in jails. Natural causes/illness accounted for the highest volume of deaths (40%), followed by use of force (21%), suicide (12%), accidental deaths (7%), drug overdose (3.4%), and homicide (2.8%).1 Twenty-six deaths are still pending investigation.

https://www.in.gov/cji/research/files/DCRA-Report.pdf

 

[FrostedGlass]

my personal concern with the pre-trial conditions don't have anything to do with the guilt or innocence of RA. my personal opinion is about the precedent that will be set for pre-trial housing in the future and the increased likelihood that this will cause a person who is proven factually-innocent to also be subjected to these conditions.

I haven't been successful in finding much information online regarding other people who have been held in similar conditions while awaiting their trials, so it's hard to form a complete opinion regarding how unusual this is.

ALL MOO

IMO what they've done to RA is not common. I totally agree with your concern about setting a precedent.
One of the men involved in the death of Laurel Mitchell is currently being housed in Miami Correctional on a safe-keeping order. Oddly, IMO, that move didn't go as smoothly as RA's did;. I update that case here.

Delphi murders defendant Richard Allen living in 8x12 prison cell under suicide watch and 24-hour video surveillance

The Westville prison warden provided very specific details about the cell where Allen is living and the accommodations he is offered.

www.wthr.com

The Delphi murders defendant is the only pre-trial (non-convicted) inmate currently housed in the prison’s maximum security unit, and the only pre-trial inmate assigned to the unit during the four years that Galipeau has been warden at the prison.

 

[Emma Peel]

IMO what they've done to RA is not common. I totally agree with your concern about setting a precedent.
One of the men involved in the death of Laurel Mitchell is currently being housed in Miami Correctional on a safe-keeping order. Oddly, IMO, that move didn't go as smoothly as RA's did;. I update that case here.

Delphi murders defendant Richard Allen living in 8x12 prison cell under suicide watch and 24-hour video surveillance

The Westville prison warden provided very specific details about the cell where Allen is living and the accommodations he is offered.

www.wthr.com

The Delphi murders defendant is the only pre-trial (non-convicted) inmate currently housed in the prison’s maximum security unit, and the only pre-trial inmate assigned to the unit during the four years that Galipeau has been warden at the prison.

IMO, it is this extraordinarily harsh decision (as to RA’s due process vs safekeeping conditions), and the failure to timely rectify this decision that will continue to haunt this trial.

 

[Salah11]

IMO, it is this extraordinarily harsh decision (as to RA’s due process vs safekeeping conditions), and the failure to timely rectify this decision that will continue to haunt this trial.

Well his team seem content to keep him locked up so they also share some of the blame at this juncture.

The Trial could basically be over now if they hadn’t played so many ridiculous games and actually done their job.

it sounds like from the Gary Hughes video he needs a lot of safe guarding even from himself.

IMO

 

[Megnut]

The most responsible decision as RA's defense counsel may have been to help broker a guilty plea, a long year ago. He has the right to plead guilty.

JMO

 

[Salah11]

The most responsible decision as RA's defense counsel may have been to help broker a guilty plea, a long year ago. He has the right to plead guilty.

JMO

Yep and the fact he has confessed multiple times to his family and to anybody else who will listen it doesn’t seem like he is trying to hide the fact he did it. So the only reason we are still at this stage is his D team imo

 

[FrostedGlass]

The most responsible decision as RA's defense counsel may have been to help broker a guilty plea, a long year ago. He has the right to plead guilty.

JMO

Maybe the D feel they have enough discovery to get a not-guilty finding from the jury.
Maybe his family believes he's innocent and they don't want him to make a deal.

We haven't heard much about the happenings at Wabash Valley.
Maybe he's getting mentally stable and doesn't want to plead guilty.
Maybe when he's back in reality, he will plead guilty.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Just for the record
Richard Allen's Safekeeping Orders

1.

04/05/2023

Motion Filed Emergency Motion to Modify Safekeeping Order Filed By: Allen, Richard M.

04/14/2023

Response Filed State of Indiana files Response to Defense's Emergency Motion to Modify Safekeeping Order. Filed By: State of Indiana

06/22/2023

Order Issued (IN PART TO CONSERVE SPACE) Hearing conducted on defendant's Motion to Reconsider Safekeeping Order. Evidence and arguments of counsel taken under advisement. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ

07/19/2023

Order Issued (IN PART TO CONSERVE SPACE) In light of the evidence presented, the Court has reconsidered the original Safekeeping Order and finds it is reasonable and necessary to ensure the defendant's safety and to prevent serious bodily injury to himself. The Department of Correction has provided, and will continue to provide Defendant with the necessarily medical services, including any mental health services. If the Department of Correction believes a facility other than Westville is more appropriate, or more convenient for Counsel, the Court is confident that the Department of Correction will move the defendant accordingly. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ

2.

09/18/2023

Motion Filed Verified Motion for Immediate Transfer of Custody Filed By: Allen, Richard M.

10/10/2023

Response to a Petition Filed State's Response to Defense's Verified Motion for Immediate Transfer Filed By: State of Indiana

10/26/2023

Order Issued (IN PART TO CONSERVE SPACE) 3. Defendant's Verified Motion for Immediate Transfer of Custody is denied based upon the State's Response and attached Affidavits.

3. LeBrato (12/06/2023: RA Transferred to Wabash Valley Correctional)

01/12/2024

Motion Filed Motion to Transfer Richard Allen Filed By: Allen, Richard M.

01/22/2024

Order Issued (IN PART TO CONSERVE SPACE) Defendant's Motion to Transfer (filed January 12, 2024) taken under advisement pending the State's response, if any, and a hearing to be set. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ

01/29/2024

Response to a Petition Filed State's Response to Defense's Mtn for Transfer.pdf Filed By: State of Indiana

02/08/2024

Order Issued The Court, having taken defendant's Motion to Transfer under advisement, and having reviewed the State's Response to Defense's Motion for Transfer, now denies the Motion to Transfer without hearing. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ

4.

05/13/2024

Motion Filed Motion to Vacate Safekeeping Order Filed By: Allen, Richard M.

 

[sunshineray]

DBM

 

[Justice101]

Well his team seem content to keep him locked up so they also share some of the blame at this juncture.

The Trial could basically be over now if they hadn’t played so many ridiculous games and actually done their job.

it sounds like from the Gary Hughes video he needs a lot of safe guarding even from himself.

IMO

His defense has been a clown show. The prosecution and the investigation was not done very well.

And in the end, if he truly did confessed as many times as was reported, this will end up a plea deal of some sort when if they come to their senses. I cannot believe there will be a trial.

 

[sunshineray]

Just for the record
Richard Allen's Safekeeping Orders

1.

04/05/2023

Motion Filed Emergency Motion to Modify Safekeeping Order Filed By: Allen, Richard M.

04/14/2023

Response Filed State of Indiana files Response to Defense's Emergency Motion to Modify Safekeeping Order. Filed By: State of Indiana

06/22/2023

Order Issued (IN PART TO CONSERVE SPACE) Hearing conducted on defendant's Motion to Reconsider Safekeeping Order. Evidence and arguments of counsel taken under advisement. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ

07/19/2023

Order Issued (IN PART TO CONSERVE SPACE) In light of the evidence presented, the Court has reconsidered the original Safekeeping Order and finds it is reasonable and necessary to ensure the defendant's safety and to prevent serious bodily injury to himself. The Department of Correction has provided, and will continue to provide Defendant with the necessarily medical services, including any mental health services. If the Department of Correction believes a facility other than Westville is more appropriate, or more convenient for Counsel, the Court is confident that the Department of Correction will move the defendant accordingly. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ

2.

09/18/2023

Motion Filed Verified Motion for Immediate Transfer of Custody Filed By: Allen, Richard M.

10/10/2023

Response to a Petition Filed State's Response to Defense's Verified Motion for Immediate Transfer Filed By: State of Indiana

10/26/2023

Order Issued (IN PART TO CONSERVE SPACE) 3. Defendant's Verified Motion for Immediate Transfer of Custody is denied based upon the State's Response and attached Affidavits.

3. LeBrato (12/06/2023: RA Transferred to Wabash Valley Correctional)

01/12/2024

Motion Filed Motion to Transfer Richard Allen Filed By: Allen, Richard M.

01/22/2024

Order Issued (IN PART TO CONSERVE SPACE) Defendant's Motion to Transfer (filed January 12, 2024) taken under advisement pending the State's response, if any, and a hearing to be set. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ

01/29/2024

Response to a Petition Filed State's Response to Defense's Mtn for Transfer.pdf Filed By: State of Indiana

02/08/2024

Order Issued The Court, having taken defendant's Motion to Transfer under advisement, and having reviewed the State's Response to Defense's Motion for Transfer, now denies the Motion to Transfer without hearing. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ

4.

05/13/2024

Motion Filed Motion to Vacate Safekeeping Order Filed By: Allen, Richard M.

Where IS Richard Allen being housed? He's no longer listed in the IDOC database.