Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #193

[girlhasnoname]

"The questionnaire asks if the potential juror has concerns about being exposed to disturbing images surrounding the death of two teenage girls and if they have any DNA, ballistics or hate crimes expertise."

DNA I get, ballistics I get, "hate crimes" I'm at a loss unless they mean all sexual crimes against women are being grouped as mysoginistically inspired?

Hate crimes may have been in reference to rumor that one of the mothers was dating outside of her race? IDK

 

[girlhasnoname]

Hoping something good comes out of the Hearings today.

#Justice4Abby&Libby


Photo by WRTV

 

[Vern]

I can't help but wonder if that's not the intent of this early screener -- er, in reverse. To weed out potential jurors who have already been exposed to leaks that didn't belong in the public sphere.

JMO

I sat on the jury of a trial (1980s). In advance, I had received a questionnaire that named the defendant and all "known witnesses" who were most likely being called to testify. The question for each of them was akin to, "Do you know, or have you ever heard of one Charlie Alpha Beta who resides in Chicken Bones Alberta? (Tick Box Yes/No)". At the bottom of the form there was a statement along the lines of, "I agree that I will not research or attempt to contact any of the above named individuals etc etc (Tick Box Agree/Do Not Agree). Advised that, if selected to show up for selection that I would receive a letter from the court by Date XX advising time/place to present myself and that if I had not received a letter by that date, I could disregard the "agreement" at the bottom of the form. Then: Signature line and date. Returned via PP envelope.

I'm guessing, small towns, rural regions and stuff, that they were weeding out any of us who knew any of the parties to the case because time/distance isn't a factor in "being local" or being possibly-related when it comes to rural. There still ended up being 30 or so of us there at court with 12 eventually being selected to sit.

I'm older than the internet so I've no idea how it's done these days, but I'd imgine news/word spreads even faster than the lightening did back in the good old days with the internet now being at play.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Nope, but give it two months. If his legal team don’t delay things once again, he will be. After all, in the past they did like to delay things by changing the goal posts. Moo

In My Opinion
They had good reason to change the goal posts. The judge's action which ended up in front of the Indiana Supreme Court set the trial back some months, which gave the P more time to collect discovery, which he has been lax on turning it over.

Indiana Courts Case Search - MyCase

Indiana Supreme Court, Public Access

public.courts.in.gov

08C01-2210-MR-000001
An excerpt from the court record dated 8/16/2024 = a week ago.
...the Court will order the State to turn over Sergeant Cecil's report within ten (10) days of date of this order and that any new discovery be provided within seven (7) days of receipt. The Court further orders the parties to exchange a list of trial exhibits by October 1, 2024.

 

[sunshineray]

Hate crimes may have been in reference to rumor that one of the mothers was dating outside of her race? IDK

Yeah the defense just had to get that in there didn't they?

 

[Vern]

Actually, during the 3 Day hearings (Source MS), when the D-Team claimed they hadn't received this/that/the other thing, the Prosecution worked through lunch then presented the D-Team with the "receipts" for those items immediately after court resumed after lunch.

"Receipts" as in, "Here's the receipt for so & so from the Defence signing for that in January", etc etc. The Prosecution then stood and thanked them for their work.

It's just like the P stated, we can't give you the reports etc until we actually receive them ourselves.

 

[sunshineray]

So 600 recipients will get the juror questionnaire. All recipients, who don't want to return it, will now despite their unwillingness know the names of 21 people, who are involved in some form, whether lawyer or PO or suspect. I don't know, how I feel about it .....

My respect for WANE just went in the toilet. What's that quote from Jurassic Park...They were too busy worrying about if they could and didn't think about if they should. That questionnaire should never have been published. MO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Actually, during the 3 Day hearings, when the D-Team claimed they hadn't received this/that/the other thing, the Prosecution worked through lunch then presented the D-Team with the "receipts" for those items immediately after court resumed after lunch.

"Receipts" as in, "Here's the receipt for so & so from the Defence signing for that in January", etc etc. The Prosecution then stood and thanked them for their work.

It's just like the P stated, we can't give you the reports etc until we actually receive them ourselves.

I have no idea where your information came from. Did it come from MSM or a podcast?

 

[Vern]

I have no idea where your information came from. Did it come from MSM or a podcast?

MS 3 day hearings. It's also covered in a couple other podcasts not approved for here. It's also been discussed in here before about the D-Team just not being able to find things they were claiming they didn't have when they actually did have them.

Modified my post.

 

[shonyakay]

There is a picture/exhibit of a dog sitting on Richard Allen's lap in the official documents. I believe the state may have a match from that dog to animal hair found at the scene. Why else would that picture of RA with a dog be an exhibit?

 

[FrostedGlass]

Wow, interesting indeed. I don't know how JG can say no to all third party stuff and still hope to keep integrity in her career as a judge. This questionnaire seems telling, although it does seem like the creation of it (and possibly sending?) happened before the 3-day hearing. But in my opinion that hearing probably only bolstered the argument for a third party defense.

IMO MOO

Was the other questionnaire ever reported on in such detail? If so I wonder what changed from that one to this one, if anything.
MOO

 

[susiQ]

Richard Allen did a great job of acting like an innocent man during the October 2022 interrogations. When asked about being the man on the bridge, he denied it. He denied it is his voice on tape. He denied it was his gun (or only an unspent cartridge) that was used in the crime.

If he really did know that LE knew he was the killer, he did a really good job of playing innocent instead of just stopping questioning and asking for an attorney. Richard Allen did eventually stop the questioning, but only when he felt that he thought that maybe they thought that he might be the killer. He even said he was willing to give them his cell phone to check out before he felt like they were trying to point the finger at him for the Delphi murders.

Before Richard Allen confessed over 60 times to the crime, he did a really good job making it appear he was an innocent man.

He certainly did! Is it possible perhaps that he is, in fact, innocent of this crime?? Because if he isn’t innocent, he did one heck of a good job acting! JMHO

 

[TTF14]

There is a picture/exhibit of a dog sitting on Richard Allen's lap in the official documents. I believe the state may have a match from that dog to animal hair found at the scene. Why else would that picture of RA with a dog be an exhibit?

What official documents? Could you provide a link?

 

[TTF14]

Has there ever been a case where the defense tried sooo hard and long to influence a prospective jury pool whole under a gag order, especially working with SM agents? The defense's desperate measures have been beyond what normal is involved and need to be circumvented in the hopes of finding a fair jury.
AJMO

Nevermind "SM Agents" (which is happening on both sides, in my opinion), potential jurors have just been given the name of the person whose fate they will be deciding a full two months before trial! Now they have plenty of time to delve in and form an opinion all on their own, without the need for "SM Agents!"

IMO MOO

 

[Vern]

My respect for WANE just went in the toilet. What's that quote from Jurassic Park...They were too busy worrying about if they could and didn't think about if they should. That questionnaire should never have been published. MO

I agree; this never should have been published.

 

[FrostedGlass]

MS 3 day hearings. It's also covered in a couple other podcasts not approved for here. It's also been discussed in here before about the D-Team just not being able to find things they were claiming they didn't have when they actually did have them.

Modified my post.

Ok, thanks. AND double thanks for the edit that you modified your original post. I would have thought my memory had taken on a life of its own.

 

[legalmomma]

Indiana Courts Case Search - MyCase

Indiana Supreme Court, Public Access

public.courts.in.gov

08/22/2024

Order Issued This case has generated substantial public interest and media attention. In light of this, and on the Court's own motion to ensure the integrity of the proceedings, to protect the Defendant's constitutional rights for due process, to ensure the safety of the parties and the public, and to permit public access to criminal proceedings, the Court sets forth the following rules and guidelines for the hearing set for Friday, August 23, 2024, in the Carroll Circuit Court. The Courthouse will open at 8:00 a.m. All entrances will be closed, except for the handicapped entrance on the north side of the building. The remaining entrances will be locked with no access to the public. All members of the public, including members of the media, are subject to screening by metal detectors. All bags in possession of those entering the building are subject to search. NO weapons of any kind are permitted in the building, except for on-duty law enforcement officers providing security to the Courthouse and the parties. Cellular telephones are permitted in the building, but must be powered OFF and unused at all times while in the building or the Courtrooms. Violations are subject to seizure and destruction of the cellular telephone. No electronic equipment or devices are permitted in the Carroll Circuit Court. The first portion of the hearing will be closed to the public and the media by agreement of counsel and the Court. The Court will declare a recess at the conclusion of the closed hearing. The Court will then reconvene in open court at the end of the recess. This portion of the hearing will be open to the public and the media. Media personnel are permitted to attend the Court session. NO cameras, electronics, lap tops or recording equipment of any kind is permitted in the Carroll Circuit Courtroom. The Court requests the media be mindful that other County offices are conducting business in the building unrelated to this case. Media and members of the public are ordered to conduct themselves in such a fashion as to limit disruption to the offices, personnel, and patrons of those offices. The Media are free to use the public areas outside the Courthouse as long as they do not obstruct traffic in the streets and sidewalks surrounding the Courthouse. Seating in the Carroll Circuit Court is limited. The first row of public seats behind the bar separating the well of the courtroom from the public is unavailable for seating. The Sheriff of Carroll County or his designee will ensure that the victim representatives and defendant's family are seated. The remaining seating is available until full. No one, other than Court Security, will be permitted to stand in the Courtroom. All spectators must remain seated until the conclusion of the hearings and the parties have left the Courtroom. No food or beverages are permitted inside the Carroll Circuit Court. Water will be permitted for the parties in the well of the Courtroom. All members of the public and the media are required to follow directives of the Sheriff of Carroll County, Courthouse Security and Courtroom Security. NO court-produced recording will be made available to the public or media. The audio record made pursuant to Indiana Criminal Rule 5 may not be copied or used for purposes other than perpetuating the record. The Court anticipates that all members of the public and the media will conduct themselves in an appropriate fashion. Any violation of this Order and any conduct the Court finds disruptive of the proceedings may result in an order of temporary or permanent exclusion from the Courtroom and/or Courthouse and is punishable as contempt of Court. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Noticed: Diener, Stacey Lynn Noticed: Auger, Jennifer Jones Order Signed: 08/22/2024

08/23/2024

Status Hearing Session: 08/23/2024 1:00 PM, Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ

 

[legalmomma]

https://www.wane.com/news/indiana/status-hearing-friday-in-delphi-murders-case/

CARROLL COUNTY, Ind. – Special Judge Fran Gull will preside over a two-part hearing in the Delphi murders case on Friday.

Richard Allen faces four counts of murder in connection with the February 2017 deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German near the Monon High Bridge. Indiana State Police announced his arrest in October 2022, more than five years after the girls’ deaths.

Friday’s hearing will be split into two parts. The first portion will be closed to the public, upon agreement by counsel, while the public, including media, will be able to observe the second portion.

According to an order from Gull, the court will call a recess when the closed portion is over and reconvene for the open session. No cameras are allowed in the courtroom and the use of electronic devices (laptops, cell phones, etc.) during the proceedings is strictly prohibited.

 

[TTF14]

My respect for WANE just went in the toilet. What's that quote from Jurassic Park...They were too busy worrying about if they could and didn't think about if they should. That questionnaire should never have been published. MO

Does it really matter, though? The prospective jurors are going to see it anyway. "SM Agents" will be out in full force on both sides, I predict, getting their messages out there to that jury pool! (IMO) Now that I just typed that sentence, I actually agree with you that it shouldn't have been published.....because now all the "SM Agents" can hone in on their messaging more specifically.

IMO MOO

 

[twall]

Was George’s questionnaire sent out with the summons?

Sorry, I do not remember.