Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #197

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Hi all, been away for a bit. This is what I think went down. Richard Allen was brought into LE's radar by someone. This is what inspired LE to go over all the tips, there may have been something filed incorrectly. I don't remember if it was ever confirmed exactly how or what was filed incorrectly.

Not certain if RA was on their POI list or not all this time. It could have been a friend, relative, online acquaintance, or a person that interviewed RA prior. I do believe it was some type of evidence that led LE to RA first.
Yes, I also think this! RA came forward very early on and we don't know exactly when, but it's my opinion that it was very likely before the girls bodies were found. He could then tell people that he was there that day walking and didn't see anything and he even talked to LE to tell them what he knew. Those people he might have talked to about this would then assume he was ruled out or that he was just being the helpful guy who happened to be out walking that day. Maybe over time his behavior was suspicious enough that they started to think he could be BG.. BUT he must not be because he came forward and he hasn't been arrested right so they put it aside and carried on with life. I could absolutely see a scenario where someone called in and said this guy RA has changed his behavior and his appearance has shifted. Insert whatever other things they noticed here... AND then they say but he came forward and talked to police so I assume he was cleared..

Well that would likely make LE go back to the beginning and starting looking at anyone they talked to early on and looking for a report that could have came from someone named RA.. then they find the tip, but it had been misfiled.
 
The Wabash river search was all over the news shortly before they brought RA in to question him.

I think in light of all of the talking about the case at the time, RA talked to somebody close to him about this case and this person then went to the police. That is my theory.
And IIRC the search of KAK family members fire pit was shortly after the river search and right before RA being brought in for questioning. Just all very curious. I think that AutoZone interview was also in that mix, date-wise?
 
Once the girls saw a person crossing over I'd think they would feel they had to wait to start crossing back. The width and condition of the bridge wouldn't bode well for people walking by each other. MO

So as you say the girls really had no option but to continue to the end of the bridge even if they hadn’t intended to, maybe hoping BG would turn around by then. MOO

RA told his wife that if his situation became too much for her to handle to let him know. He said he'd tell LE everything they wanted to know.
If he knew everything LE wanted to know wouldn’t that imply he was BG because how else would he know?

Also, what about Abby’s and Libby’s families? When it became too much for them was he willing to make the same decision to spare them the grief, pain and need for full answers and closure? It has been 7 years, they lost their beloved daughters, granddaughters, sisters, friends and future dreams and hopes surrounding them. They’re done forever. No parent or grandparent should have to bury a child. Could he not see their murders and subsequent grief as something too much to handle, to suffer or was inconsequential? He could empathize with his wife but not them?

Why is he putting decision making power on his wife? He didn’t need her permission or authority to commit the crime. But now he is putting the decision on taking responsibility and accountability on her? It likes he wants her to bare part of the burden of the consequences and accountability for his crimes even if she did not commit them nor was involved. If I was his wife I would say screw that. You didn’t need me to commit this evil act. He wasn’t thinking about her, her community, Libby, Abby, their friends and family who are part of it when he brutally murdered them and caused widespread grief, terror and mistrust throughout Delphi. It was his commanding voice, not hers, that ordered them against their will down the hill so why not use that same atrocious commanding persona he had then to do something so atrocious to confess to LE and the legal parties involved everything he knows and has done? If he doesn’t fully confess he rather put the fault on his wife than his own fault. Her approval was not his end all be all with power over him. Just look at the decisions he made and crimes and horror he committed without it or her awareness?

I’ve taught thousands of 14-year old girls, besides the girls I’ve raised, and genuinely I think girls would be startled and anxious with this guy lumbering toward them, rather than mocking him.
I always thought early on when the BG video was first aired how rude it seemed just for him to be walking across the bridge knowing that Abby and Libby have to walk back across. Like seriously dude, the bridge is not going anywhere but they are since they have walk it again. And obviously they are uncomfortable walking past him since they huddle towards the further end of the bridge from him but instead of stopping at the platform so that they could cross he keeps walking. Like what’s the rush? You, unlike Abby, have clearly walked the bridge before based on your steady pace, you are not even walking the view since you barely looked at it so what at the end that you clearly needed to get to? Were there not enough twigs on the other side? Did you think you were going to catch a train while you up there and thought maybe Abby and Libby were somehow at the correct gate? Likely no. Instead IMO, his breach in etiquette, being just the three of them on the walk with two hindered from going across and determined walk to seemingly a dead end helped further raised alarm bells in their head that his target was likely them.
 
I hope we get some very impartial, consistent and comprehensive reporting on the trial. My understanding is that reporters can’t report or tweet during the trial while in the courtroom, but we will get insights at breaks perhaps and end of day wrap-ups.

That’s the way it was done at the Kelsey Berreth trial.
It wasn’t ideal, but it worked fine because the reporting was excellent. One reporter even went over everything in the trial at night on social media. No spin.
I have less confidence that will be the case here. Actual local reporters have taken a backseat to social media voices. I don’t expect the defense apologists will just stand down and suddenly report impartially. They will be striving to have the loudest voice I’m sure.
We all need to be very careful picking our sources.
 
That’s the way it was done at the Kelsey Berreth trial.
It wasn’t ideal, but it worked fine because the reporting was excellent. One reporter even went over everything in the trial at night on social media. No spin.
I have less confidence that will be the case here. Actual local reporters have taken a backseat to social media voices. I don’t expect the defense apologists will just stand down and suddenly report impartially. They will be striving to have the loudest voice I’m sure.
We all need to be very careful picking our sources.


Yes I want impartial reporting considering we are relying on them to report the truth.
 
If he knew everything LE wanted to know wouldn’t that imply he was BG because how else would he know?

Also, what about Abby’s and Libby’s families? When it became too much for them was he willing to make the same decision to spare them the grief, pain and need for full answers and closure? It has been 7 years, they lost their beloved daughters, granddaughters, sisters, friends and future dreams and hopes surrounding them. They’re done forever. No parent or grandparent should have to bury a child. Could he not see their murders and subsequent grief as something too much to handle, to suffer or was inconsequential? He could empathize with his wife but not them?

Why is he putting decision making power on his wife? He didn’t need her permission or authority to commit the crime. But now he is putting the decision on taking responsibility and accountability on her? It likes he wants her to bare part of the burden of the consequences and accountability for his crimes even if she did not commit them nor was involved. If I was his wife I would say screw that. You didn’t need me to commit this evil act. He wasn’t thinking about her, her community, Libby, Abby, their friends and family who are part of it when he brutally murdered them and caused widespread grief, terror and mistrust throughout Delphi. It was his commanding voice, not hers, that ordered them against their will down the hill so why not use that same atrocious commanding persona he had then to do something so atrocious to confess to LE and the legal parties involved everything he knows and has done? If he doesn’t fully confess he rather put the fault on his wife than his own fault. Her approval was not his end all be all with power over him. Just look at the decisions he made and crimes and horror he committed without it or her awareness?


I always thought early on when the BG video was first aired how rude it seemed just for him to be walking across the bridge knowing that Abby and Libby have to walk back across. Like seriously dude, the bridge is not going anywhere but they are since they have walk it again. And obviously they are uncomfortable walking past him since they huddle towards the further end of the bridge from him but instead of stopping at the platform so that they could cross he keeps walking. Like what’s the rush? You, unlike Abby, have clearly walked the bridge before based on your steady pace, you are not even walking the view since you barely looked at it so what at the end that you clearly needed to get to? Were there not enough twigs on the other side? Did you think you were going to catch a train while you up there and thought maybe Abby and Libby were somehow at the correct gate? Likely no. Instead IMO, his breach in etiquette, being just the three of them on the walk with two hindered from going across and determined walk to seemingly a dead end helped further raised alarm bells in their head that his target was likely them.
It made them nervous I'm sure, feeling trapped because they were surround by private property , the trail ended. They were just kids, never thinking they were to be kidnapped at gunpoint </3

As far as RA telling his wife (paraphrasing) if it all got to be too much for her he'll confess everything to LE, just let me know hon. That's a major incriminating statement made to his wife, IMO. Why he needed to put the decision in her hands, I think ISP Harshman's testimony gave us the answer. (Paraphrasing) RA wanted his family's forgiveness for what he'd done and their continued love in spite of it. I think that statement was the beginning of that struggle for him. Wasn't RA also diagnosed with a dependency issue? Was that mentioned in Dr. Wala's testimony?
 
According to those who attended the July/August hearings, Baldwin turned to RA's mother and wife and told them about the testimony that was about to come up about the girls' injuries. They then left the courtroom.

Imo that corroborates RA's confession that he did not want his family to see what he had done.

If they (RA's family) do this at the trial the jurors will notice this and will probably come to the same conclusion.
 
It was his commanding voice, not hers, that ordered them against their will down the hill so why not use that same atrocious commanding persona he had then to do something so atrocious to confess to LE and the legal parties involved everything he knows and has done?

My presumption would be that with the girls, it was a) something he WANTED to do and b) HE had the power in that situation.

Whereas with LE, it is a) something he does NOT want to do and b) he is now the one WITHOUT the power.

JMO
 
It isn't lost on me. Alongside Abby, Libby's name is Liberty.

RA is on trial, accused of murdering Abby and Liberty. But, because of his actions, his liberty (as recognized in the Constitution) is in question.

He had no problem destroying hers. And Abby's. Life. Liberty. Their pursuits of happiness. Over the course of decades. 60, 70, 80 more years for each of them. Cut short by an individual wielding a blade and no

There's a (civil) price to pay for that. Loss of liberties, IMO LWOP. LWOP x 2.

There's a spiritual price too -- IMO that's been decided. He sold his soul. Icky, sticky, yucky soul.

One thing he CANNOT do --the depth of his depravity can steal nothing more Abby and Libby.

He blackens his own soul, not theirs.

JMO
 

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