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Just for clarity, was it suggested either way as to whether the ME/DA believe the shirt was removed before or after her death?
Just for clarity, was it suggested either way as to whether the ME/DA believe the shirt was removed before or after her death?
I don't think we will ever know the complete truth. For CL to say they had not thought far enough out about what to do with Beverly if it didn't go as planned is a lie, IMO. They both knew Beverly would see AL's face when she met him at the house she was to show. I firmly believe the plan was to kill her after getting what money they could so Beverly would not be able to identify them. They never called Carl, Sr. and gave him a chance to round up any ransom money; they just had Beverly call him and tell him not to call the police or it could be very bad.
In planning the kidnapping, who would not also plan what to do after getting whatever money they could?? IMO, the plan was always to kill Beverly afterwards. If it was to be a $100,000 ransom, I'm not believing they had not discussed how it would be split.
I'm sick of these criminal losers. How dare them even try to ruin Beverly's memory for her family!
JMO
*Thanks, jstkiddn, for your posts and for physically being there yesterday and today. You are another trooper for Beverly.
I wanted to take a minute to thank everyone that posts tweets, mpnola, kaykay, and others (you know who you are) without you guys I could never keep up with this trial.:rockon:
And I wanted to extend a special thanks to Jstkiddn for taking the time to share her observations and thoughts after spending all day trial watching. Your after trial posts are the ones I look forward to the most. :yourock: :takeabow:
Just a quick clarification (because it's confusing!) The "ransom message" was only recorded onto AL's cell phone. It was never actually sent or called in to Carl Sr. The family never received a ransom demand. But, AL did have that recording on his phone. Guess he never got around to using it.
The trials I have watched, they usually have the court reporter read back that part of the testimony.Medical examiner testimony:
I thought we were going to have a cage match on the cross exam. LOL
Y'all probably know all his testimony from the tweets and other reports, so I won't repeat it all, but there was one point in particular that got heated and James was wrong, wrong, wrong!!!! Second time he's done something like this during this trial. On cross exam he ADAMANTLY states that the witness just said something under direct that THEY DIDN'T SAY!!
In tv dramas (my only experience...lol) they always go back and reread the testimony, but either that's just made up or they aren't doing it in this trial.
When asked about the possibility of death by vagina suffocation (my term.....they actually used a medical term, but I have no clue at this point what it was) the doctor testified under direct that he had never encountered anything like that in his career, nor could he find anything in any medical journals, nor could he find anything when he did (this is important) INTERNET RESEARCH. That was the exact term he used...internet research.
On cross, James (all cocky like) asks him "Are you going to tell me that you Googled death by sitting on someone's face and there was nothing? He's holding up his cell phone like he's going to google it right then and there. The doctor testified that he never said he "Googled" it and this started a very contentious exchange between the two, where eventually the doctor himself was admonished by the judge. BUT - the doctor was saying, sort of amused like, "I used Medline...not Google." Apparently Medline is a search engine/database of medical journals/articles only used by medical professionals. It's *not* Google!
James kept saying "Yes, you did!" and I'm out in the audience about to explode thinking NO HE DIDN'T!! He *NEVER* said he "googled" anything. He said he did INTERNET RESEARCH and then later clarified it was Medline. All the while James keeps blustering about wanting to use his own cell phone to "google it right now".
It was never corrected and never clarified.
SAME THING happened yesterday with Carl Jr's testimony. Yesterday he testified that his dad was not employed right now, but he had also testified that he WAS employed at the time of BC's kidnapping.
When James was cross examining BC coworker/friend Rhodes, in his very aggressive 'BC was having a bad time in life and a mid life crisis' line of questioning he said something about BC having an unemployed husband (at the time of her murder). Rhodes was quick to correct him and he blusters out "That's not what CCjr testified to earlier! He said he was unemployed!" That's what caused one of the courtroom outbursts, because everyone in the audience simultaneously said "No, he didn't!"
He did NOT say he was unemployed. He said he was NOW unemployed but back then he was employed.
Two times this guy has done the same type thing and neither time was it ever really corrected or clarified as to the witness' actual testimony. I refuse to believe he's that dumb/not paying attention, so I think he does it on purpose in hopes that his version (the wrong one) will settle in the juror's minds. I know very little about legal procedure, but one would think that someone on the other side would have a way to correct it?
Again...just my uneducated observations. As the saying goes...what do I know?![]()
The trials I have watched, they usually have the court reporter read back that part of the testimony.
Thanks, jstkiddn. I'm sorry for the misinformation. I was also trying to make the point that they never talked with Carl, Sr. and gave him a chance to round up any ransom money. They only spoke to Beverly about money.
I had forgotten (if I ever realized it) that Beverly never actually spoke to Carl, Sr.; it was recorded.
Still, I believe the plan was always to kill Beverly after the kidnapping because she had to see AL's face. Probably saw Crystal's face also.
JMO
Seeing the pictures of Carl Sr. is pitiful. Looks like the weight of the word on his shoulders. I sure defense is calling him to testify about their sex life and past physical abuse. They will make it look like she wanted to run. But you don't leave to start a new life and leave your car and belongings behind.
One of the worst parts for me is that she walked to her grave. Of course, manner of death too. That and the fact they were able to eat at Waffle House. Ugh.
I would pay to see AL butt heads with Juan Martinez. (Jodi A case). Best darn prosecutor I have ever seen.
ok i found this and it has more details than any other article I've read tonight http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2016/01/14/estranged-wife-takes-stand-against-arron-lewis