Arrest in JBR case part 2

[Shelayne]

Our local news has just said they just received confirmed information from an official in Bangkok that Karr has in fact confessed. Just called it breaking news on our local channel.

WOW! So it is him after all. My heart just breaks for all the Ramseys had to go through. I believe that after Patsy was told that there was going to be an arrest she felt it was OK to let go. She died soon after.

 

[JBean]

I still think it's a false confession.

I just don't have a clue.

 

[Buzz Mills]

You must be watching the same news I am watching. They are saying it was JUST confirmed by a Bangkok official.

We can hope.

 

[otto]

Makes no sense. :hand: That's not the M.O. of child molesters/serial killers, they don't leave ransom notes.:snooty: Why leave a ransom note if you don't even have a body to ransom???:doh: More likely the ransom note was part of the staging to cover up JB's murder.

I don't know if it's an MO of serial killers to leave a note, but lots of them leave some kind of symbol. I think that he also knew something about the Ramsays and wanted to either frame them or torment them. If he really did send emails to the Ramsay's over the last 3-4 years describing the last moments of JonBenet's life, then he wanted to hurt the family. The ransom note is very hurtful with repeated claims that their daughter will die. It also was sufficient to cast suspicion on the family for years.

 

[scandi]

Imagine talking about giving the little girl a bath on his resume! Thanks New, and here's a big Kram for you as it has been way to long!

Hi Otto! Good to see you here. I think you are right on.

Hi Wenchie, It fits for me as a little theory. LOL He could have gone into the home when all were gone, staking out the house plan, planning what he would do and where in the house, saw the check or letter about it which named the amount, took soimething Patsy had written, took paper and pen and then replaced them the night of the murder. He was very cunning, for one thing to write a ransom note to throw off police, as she was definately dead and had been for awhile when they discovered her body. He was probably practiced at deceit with all the foolin around he had done with other kids.

Yes, just like Scott P who thought everything out beforehand with the boat, I think this guy did the same here, and then carried out his plan.

Where he messed up could be with the paint brush, which he used to twist the garotte, and I think he cut his finger which left that spot of blood in her panties. I'm sure he was all over her!~


Sandi

 

[fivekidz4me]

www.usatoday http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-16-ramsey_x.htm?csp=34

DENVER — A former schoolteacher was arrested Wednesday in Thailand in the slaying of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenét Ramsey, a sensational murder case that frustrated police for nearly a decade.
The suspect was identified as John Mark Karr, 42, by Lin Wood, the Ramsey family attorney, as well as a law enforcement official familiar with the case who asked not to be identified because he is not authorized to discuss the case.

A source close to the investigation told the Associated Press that Karr had confessed to elements of the crime. But a senior Thai police official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak with reporters, said Karr denied any connection to her murder when he was arrested at his downtown Bangkok apartment Wednesday.

Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul said Karr was being held pending the arrival of American officials, who were expected to escort Karr back to the United States in the next few days.

Another police official echoed Karr's denial.

"When we informed him that he has been accused of committing a crime at home he denied all accusations. It is normal for a suspect to deny the charges," said a senior police officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media.

Wood said Karr is a schoolteacher who once lived in Conyers, Ga., outside Atlanta. The Ramseys lived in the Atlanta suburb of Dunwoody for several years before moving to Colorado in 1991.

Wood declined to discuss whether Karr and the Ramseys had a previous relationship.

 

[mfmangel1]

We can hope.

Exactly! I am hoping and praying that this is the sick jerk!

 

[otto]

Imagine talking about giving the little girl a bath on his resume!
Sandi

It's one thing to discuss job position duties, but that is over the top ... almost as if to suggest that he should be trusted bathing children. Very strange.

 

[Buzz Mills]

Thai police: Man admits killing Ramsey

1 minute ago


BANGKOK, Thailand - An American suspect arrested in Bangkok has admitted to killing 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, the head of Thailand immigration police said Thursday, a surprise breakthrough in a lurid, decade-old murder mystery that had cast a cloud of suspicion over her parents.

John Mark Karr, 41, admitted to the killing after he was arrested at his downtown Bangkok apartment Wednesday night, Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul told The Associated Press.

Suwat said Karr arrived in Bangkok on June 6 from Malaysia to look for a teaching job. It was not clear whether he got a teaching position, the police officer said.

Karr's visa has been revoked as an "undesirable person" given the accusations against him, and U.S. authorities were expected to take him to the United States in the next few days, Suwat said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey

 

[LinasK]

The ransom note is very hurtful with repeated claims that their daughter will die. It also was sufficient to cast suspicion on the family for years.

That is a common theme of ransom notes, so were many of the phrases in it from action movies or novels. We've discussed this on other threads here.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

MSNBC is now also reporting it as breaking news that he has admitted to the murder after being arrested in Bangkok.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

deseretnews.com | Finally, an arrest: Ex-teacher in custody in JonBenet Ramsey case

... According to the Denver Post, Karr was arrested in 2001 in California for five counts of child *advertiser censored*, said Sgt. Rob Giordano, spokesman for the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department. When he finally was released on bond, he disappeared and was convicted in absentia. California state records show a John Mark Karr lost his teaching credential in 2002.

Karr's father, Wexford Karr, 85, of Atlanta, told the Post that he didn't know of his son being arrested on any previous criminal charges. But Colorado authorities said Karr has an extensive criminal record for sexual assaults across the South...

 

[Shelayne]

scandi, that is what I think as well. That whole ransom note bothered me from the beginning. The Ramseys were supposed to be so cunning as to stage an elaborate torture scene with their daughter, complete with garrote, but became total morons leaving a three-page, rambling, ridiculous ransom note that would directly point to them--not to mention the practice note? It never added up for me.

I think that he did, perhaps, intend to take the child, but something went wrong and he, either couldn't get her out the way he planned, or he got too excited and killed her before he had planned.

Hopefully he provided that kind of detail in his confession.

 

[scandi]

Linask, I think he copied Patsy's handwriting to make it look like she was involved some way in the murder and throw the police off track, which it certainly did. They focused so much on her they hardly looked at others, in fact I read here today that Boulder police had talked to him early in the case.

Patsy's handwriting wasn't that unusual, in fact it was very close to John's handwriting. Maybe he was trying to duplicate John's handwriting, as he certainly made a slur about John in the note, right? Just turned out his copy of the writing ended up looking more like Patsy's than John's.

Yes, he has made a full confession they are saying now on MSNBC. Hope it is all legal and perfect and will withstand any brilliant thoughts by his future defense attorney!~

They said JonBenet had evidence of previous sexual aveice, and am wondering how that fits into all of this. Could he have made sexual plays with her before and made her promise not to tell, preparing her for a new kind of beauty pageant?


Scandi

 

[scandi]

We need a transcript of Scarborough Country. They have the handwriting expert on that studied the handwriting in the note. Forensics stated Patsy didn't write the note, but she was never eliminated. The note was written in the house and not brought in. Gee. wonder how they know that?

:doh: Scandi

 

[Maybe So]

Pineapple ... the last meal ... you're thinking he put on a santa hat and brought her some pineapple in bed?

I have no clue, it just made me picture him being at ease with handling a child calming them and giving them a snack. If an intruder murdered JBR then he must have been good enough with kids to get JBR to eat pinapple and lure her to the basement without too much of a fuss.

I certainly don't know at this point if this arrest means anything at all.

If he is truly the killer then he will have all the answers to the mysteries that surround this case...so I hope this is him....but I don't feel very confident yet.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

ABC News: Thai Police: Man Admits Killing Ramsey

 

[LinasK]

Linask, I think he copied Patsy's handwriting to make it look like she was involved some way in the murder and throw the police off track, which it certainly did. They focused so much on her they hardly looked at others, in fact I read here today that Boulder police had talked to him early in the case.

Patsy's handwriting wasn't that unusual, in fact it was very close to John's handwriting.


Scandi

Scandi, and yet John was able to be excluded as the writer of the note, Patsy was not. My mother-in-law dabbles in handwriting analysis and has told me of certain distinctive features they look for. Some criminals exhibit what they call a "criminal's claw" in their writing.

Also, it doesn't explain the Ramsey's immediately lawyering up, not taking a poly for 4 months, and high-tailing it out of town on the day their daughter was discovered murdered. I also want to know why John carried JB up the stairs- I think it was to contaminate evidence.

I think this is a false confession, no matter how many times it's posted that he confessed.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

ABC News: Man arrested in JonBenet murder

... He was arrested on an American warrant, which sought his arrest for murder, kidnapping and sexual assault of a child, along with FBI officers after being followed for three weeks as he sought a job teaching English in Bangkok.

"We arrested him yesterday at an apartment not far from my office after having followed him for 21 days," immigration police chief Lieutenant General Suwat Tumroungsiskul told Reuters...

U.S. media said Karr was a 41-year-old primary schoolteacher who had lived in JonBenet's hometown of Boulder, Colorado at the time of murder...

... a police officer said the American had just been hired by one of Bangkok's dozens of international schools.

The revocation gave him the status of a "person who could pose a threat to the society" under Thai law.

"People like him are dangerous. We have criminals from all over the world running away from their home countries to look for teaching jobs in Thailand," Suwat said...

 

[Shelayne]

"People like him are dangerous. We have criminals from all over the world running away from their home countries to look for teaching jobs in Thailand," Suwat said...

**shudder**