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So have both of his Aruban Lawyers
What are they going to say?
There is nothing to report until after GG goes before the judge
If LE has anything new we may hear then
ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 6
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So have both of his Aruban Lawyers
What are they going to say?
There is nothing to report until after GG goes before the judge
If LE has anything new we may hear then
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This could be why they brought the dogs in late. If the story were true the dogs would have found the grave. jmo
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Yes, it could be.
Or the NE story came about because of the dogs being there
It seems all NE stories are based on some small truth and expanded from there
JMO
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Gary Giordano, the suspect in the disappearance of Robyn Gardner in Aruba, will have a detention hearing Friday, CNN reports.
A decision on whether to release the 50-year-old American will be announced Friday.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/10/gary-giordano-detention-hearing-scheduled-68409.html
A decision on whether to release the 50-year-old American will be announced Friday.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/10/gary-giordano-detention-hearing-scheduled-68409.html
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OK, I don't know about this source so....
It's being reported that investigators have received a valid tip via an anonymous source on the possible fate suffered by the missing 35-year-old Robyn Gardner. Aruban investigators are acting on the tip, saying that it's credible. It's believed now that Robyn was buried alive by Gary Giordano after suffering a horrendous beating and suffocation attempt. The source, who is anonymous, claims that he was present during the horrific live burial of the missing American woman. This meshes with the witness reports a few months back about seeing a second male acquaintance with the woman while she was vacationing with Giordano.
http:///viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980667499
It's being reported that investigators have received a valid tip via an anonymous source on the possible fate suffered by the missing 35-year-old Robyn Gardner. Aruban investigators are acting on the tip, saying that it's credible. It's believed now that Robyn was buried alive by Gary Giordano after suffering a horrendous beating and suffocation attempt. The source, who is anonymous, claims that he was present during the horrific live burial of the missing American woman. This meshes with the witness reports a few months back about seeing a second male acquaintance with the woman while she was vacationing with Giordano.
http:///viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980667499
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I have to agree - if this person 'heard' moaning and groaning they HAD to be present... don't know WHAT to think now - I guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow and 'see' what the judge(s) have to say!
And Dushi :tyou: for all your updates!!
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Well all I can say is that I hope that story is not true. What an absolutely terrifyingly horrid way to go. Make me cringe.
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I hesitated posting it because it is so ugly
But I decided to go ahead as it is part of the news articles we read
There are many ugly things about this case
If it was true they would have found her by now. I mean, how many dog graves can there possibly be on the island? In any case, how would he have found this dog grave to start with, not being a local?
If there in fact was any such tip, it was more likely someone making a prank call.
If there in fact was any such tip, it was more likely someone making a prank call.
Maybe, just maybe, there is verifiable proof of this second person, who then had to spill the goods to cut himself a deal. Did we hear earlier that there was surveillance video of him with specific identifying tats and such?
This story sure does fit with the beating in the pet cemetery AND with his odd statement about her being dead "by now". Unless she dug her way out and is being protected or held by someone else now.
ETA: this also makes sense of the dry shorts and perfect toupe, but had to wade in the water to wash the sand off shoes and legs.
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TimeLine (approx)
July 2011 - Robyn sends GG a text "Get me out of here." Per a report. there is a fight just prior to leaving for Aruba between GG and RF.
Saturday, July 30th - GG takes out Travel insurance policy for RG and himself.
Sunday, July 31st - Flight time from Maryland to Orlando is about 1 1/2 hours. Given the time they would have needed to be at the airport for security, my guess-timate is that they were at the airport no later than 6am.
9am Orlando Airport: ABC News has seen receipts that revealed that the couple ordered four Bloody Marys at 9 a.m. at the Orlando Airport on their way to the island,
?? Arrive at hotel - and that the two bought a liter of Ciroq vodka after they checked into their room at the Marriott Hotel in Aruba.
Sunday, July 31, late afternoon - I met Robyn and Gary on the beach in front of the Marriott Stellaris Hotel. They had arrived on that day. My husband and I sat and spoke with them for awhile. They asked my husband and I about activities on the island.... Was shocked to see that this had happened, since we just spoke with them last Sunday, late afternoon. I am sure it was Robyn because I commented on her tattoo, indicating that I liked it. Didn't think they went together as a couple, as he was much older. She was also sitting kind of far away from him on the beach chair. She was nice. We were actually discussing the Natalee Holloway case. I will pray for her return.
Sunday, July 31st evening/concert started at sunset - GG & RG attend party at MooMbas/pictures at party/concert; the Balashi Beach Bash at MooMba
Monday, August 1st - GG and RG bought bottle of vodka this day, per reports.
3:09pm Toyota RAV-4 drives by The Rum Reef Bar & Grill seen on video.
3:41pm GG & RG seen walking by the closed restaurant gates walking on beach seen on video.
5:02pm Facebook comment: the 16. I can communictate here.
Tuesday. August 2nd 2:05am - Facebook comment left on RF's wall by Robyn: "This sucks."
Tuesday, August 2nd 6:51am - Prime murder suspect Gary Giordano, who friends said she met on a swingers sex site, is thought to have threatened to kill her while grabbing her by the neck and shoving her into an elevator on August 2 - the last day Miss Gardner, 35, was seen alive. The videotape from the Marriott Resort in Aruba allegedly shows the two having a furious and violent fight on the day she went missing. A source close to the investigation told the National Enquirer: 'They were having a major fight. Robyn was waving her arms and shouting at Giordano. He was grabbing her arms and jerking her around and shouting back at her. 'Then Giordano apparently realized their argument was heating up in public where someone might overhear them. He violently grabbed the back of Robyn's neck with one hand and shoved her back into the elevator with the other hand.' After reviewing the video multiple times, experts believe Robyn shouted: 'I'm out of here. I'm leaving F you!. I'm not spending another minute with you!' while he shouted back: 'Get back here! I'll kill you, b!tch!'
Tuesday, August 2nd 7:57am - Facebook: RF to Robyn: ?? InBox me
3:07pm - Arrived at restaurant Seen on camera entering restaurant.
3:10pm - Robyn sends RF a Facebook message 'Don't worry. I care about you I love you we'll talk and sort things out when I got back,' Reportedly went to bathroom after entering restaurant.
At 3:57pm, Giordano returns to their rental car outside and refills his blue cup, going back inside at 4pm Seven minutes later, Gardner heads to the bathroom again. One witness has said that at this point she seems sober but groggy.
4:13pm - Robyn is last seen (leaving restaurant). A man who works near Baby Beach reported seeing their vehicle park up by the rocks close to the water, wondered why they chose there to go snorkeling. A fisherman comes forward and says that GG and RG never went into the water. Gardner was last seen alive Aug. 2 at the Rum Reef Bar & Grill in the Baby Beach area of Aruba with Gary Giordano - approximately 4pm. Giordano, 50, and Gardner, 35, had traveled to Aruba together. He is being held in an Arubian jail but could be released today. Giordano claims that Gardner got swept out to sea when the two went snorkeling
approx. 4:22pm - Approximately 10 minutes after leaving restaurant a fisherman reportedly saw Giordano and Gardner leaving a beach together, and said they did not get into the water.
Just before 5pm on August 2nd, the couple saw a white Toyota RAV4 just like the car Giordano rented parked in the eerie Dog Graves Beach Pet cemetery; as the couple drove along the road, they saw the man beating the woman in the face. He was slapping her really hard, then punching her with his fist and beating her on the head. She was screaming; the couple stopped their car, yelled at the man and asked what the hell he was doing. When the man saw them, he started his vehicle and drove off in the opposite direction. The shocked couple drove on to nearby Baby Beach. Then they thought about what theyd seen for a few minutes and drove back to Dog Graves Beach but didnt find any trace of the other couple or their vehicle. They noticed it because vehicles are not allowed to park in that area, where Arubans have been burying their pets for generations. In fact, the car was parked on some of the pet graves (per National Enquirer Oct 3, 2011)
6:15pm (time seen on video) - GG knocking on several back doors.
6:16pm (video) GG walking up the stairs.
6:16pm (video) GG walking along the bar.
6:17pm - (video) GG walking the bar area; then walking around to the back (no footage).
6:20pm - GG reportedly headed to the back kitchen of the bar and told someone to call police. Three witnesses, two women and a man, told police that Giordano approached them on Aug. 2, saying, "Can you help me? We were snorkeling and my girlfriend is missing," she told police. One woman told police that while Giordano's sneakers were wet, his shorts were not. When Giordano reported Gardner missing, he seemed extremely drunk, a local fisherman, Sergio Silva, told ABC News, although Giordano told police that the two never purchased alcohol at the restaurant.
6.23pm - 911 received notification of a possible drowning of a woman. The traveling companion of this woman, a man G.V.G. stated that they were going snorkeling behind Nanki Country Club.
At 6:23 pm on the day of her disappearance, police were called, and 20 minutes later began to search the area. Then, Giordano left the search to return to his hotel and take a nap, according to police. Disclaimer: This claim, at 6.40 GG went for a nap, not true, there are various pics of GG helping the police in the dark, pics where it is completely dark, it takes till 7:30 for it to get dark, so GG was not taking a nap at 6:40, he still was working with the police at least at 7:30.
Thursday, August 4th - Robins mother arrives.
Thursday, August 4th original date to fly back
Thursday, August 4th throughout the day per RF RGs gmail chat function turned green (active), orange (idle) and gray (signed off) on Wednesday and Thursday.
Thursday, August 4th - after Gardner went missing, Giordano called American Express Travel four times, asking about how he could redeem his policy. Police documents show that the American Express representative who took one of the calls said Giordano sounded excited, like he had "just won the lottery." The representative was so troubled by his behavior that the person called the police.
Friday, August 5th - Three days after the search for Gardner began, Giordano got within feet of leaving the country before he was stopped at Aruba's airport where he told U.S. Customs he had to change flights because of weather, and told officials that his travel companion was "taking another flight." He was trying to board a flight one hour earlier than his scheduled departure. When arrested, authorities say Giordano was drenched in sweat. Mug shot after being arrested trying to get on a plane off the island.
Wednesday, August 31st GG detained in jail for another 60 days (until Oct. 30th).
Note: If anyone has any updates for the TimeLine, please post!
July 2011 - Robyn sends GG a text "Get me out of here." Per a report. there is a fight just prior to leaving for Aruba between GG and RF.
Saturday, July 30th - GG takes out Travel insurance policy for RG and himself.
Sunday, July 31st - Flight time from Maryland to Orlando is about 1 1/2 hours. Given the time they would have needed to be at the airport for security, my guess-timate is that they were at the airport no later than 6am.
9am Orlando Airport: ABC News has seen receipts that revealed that the couple ordered four Bloody Marys at 9 a.m. at the Orlando Airport on their way to the island,
?? Arrive at hotel - and that the two bought a liter of Ciroq vodka after they checked into their room at the Marriott Hotel in Aruba.
Sunday, July 31, late afternoon - I met Robyn and Gary on the beach in front of the Marriott Stellaris Hotel. They had arrived on that day. My husband and I sat and spoke with them for awhile. They asked my husband and I about activities on the island.... Was shocked to see that this had happened, since we just spoke with them last Sunday, late afternoon. I am sure it was Robyn because I commented on her tattoo, indicating that I liked it. Didn't think they went together as a couple, as he was much older. She was also sitting kind of far away from him on the beach chair. She was nice. We were actually discussing the Natalee Holloway case. I will pray for her return.
Sunday, July 31st evening/concert started at sunset - GG & RG attend party at MooMbas/pictures at party/concert; the Balashi Beach Bash at MooMba
Monday, August 1st - GG and RG bought bottle of vodka this day, per reports.
3:09pm Toyota RAV-4 drives by The Rum Reef Bar & Grill seen on video.
3:41pm GG & RG seen walking by the closed restaurant gates walking on beach seen on video.
5:02pm Facebook comment: the 16. I can communictate here.
Tuesday. August 2nd 2:05am - Facebook comment left on RF's wall by Robyn: "This sucks."
Tuesday, August 2nd 6:51am - Prime murder suspect Gary Giordano, who friends said she met on a swingers sex site, is thought to have threatened to kill her while grabbing her by the neck and shoving her into an elevator on August 2 - the last day Miss Gardner, 35, was seen alive. The videotape from the Marriott Resort in Aruba allegedly shows the two having a furious and violent fight on the day she went missing. A source close to the investigation told the National Enquirer: 'They were having a major fight. Robyn was waving her arms and shouting at Giordano. He was grabbing her arms and jerking her around and shouting back at her. 'Then Giordano apparently realized their argument was heating up in public where someone might overhear them. He violently grabbed the back of Robyn's neck with one hand and shoved her back into the elevator with the other hand.' After reviewing the video multiple times, experts believe Robyn shouted: 'I'm out of here. I'm leaving F you!. I'm not spending another minute with you!' while he shouted back: 'Get back here! I'll kill you, b!tch!'
Tuesday, August 2nd 7:57am - Facebook: RF to Robyn: ?? InBox me
3:07pm - Arrived at restaurant Seen on camera entering restaurant.
3:10pm - Robyn sends RF a Facebook message 'Don't worry. I care about you I love you we'll talk and sort things out when I got back,' Reportedly went to bathroom after entering restaurant.
At 3:57pm, Giordano returns to their rental car outside and refills his blue cup, going back inside at 4pm Seven minutes later, Gardner heads to the bathroom again. One witness has said that at this point she seems sober but groggy.
4:13pm - Robyn is last seen (leaving restaurant). A man who works near Baby Beach reported seeing their vehicle park up by the rocks close to the water, wondered why they chose there to go snorkeling. A fisherman comes forward and says that GG and RG never went into the water. Gardner was last seen alive Aug. 2 at the Rum Reef Bar & Grill in the Baby Beach area of Aruba with Gary Giordano - approximately 4pm. Giordano, 50, and Gardner, 35, had traveled to Aruba together. He is being held in an Arubian jail but could be released today. Giordano claims that Gardner got swept out to sea when the two went snorkeling
approx. 4:22pm - Approximately 10 minutes after leaving restaurant a fisherman reportedly saw Giordano and Gardner leaving a beach together, and said they did not get into the water.
Just before 5pm on August 2nd, the couple saw a white Toyota RAV4 just like the car Giordano rented parked in the eerie Dog Graves Beach Pet cemetery; as the couple drove along the road, they saw the man beating the woman in the face. He was slapping her really hard, then punching her with his fist and beating her on the head. She was screaming; the couple stopped their car, yelled at the man and asked what the hell he was doing. When the man saw them, he started his vehicle and drove off in the opposite direction. The shocked couple drove on to nearby Baby Beach. Then they thought about what theyd seen for a few minutes and drove back to Dog Graves Beach but didnt find any trace of the other couple or their vehicle. They noticed it because vehicles are not allowed to park in that area, where Arubans have been burying their pets for generations. In fact, the car was parked on some of the pet graves (per National Enquirer Oct 3, 2011)
6:15pm (time seen on video) - GG knocking on several back doors.
6:16pm (video) GG walking up the stairs.
6:16pm (video) GG walking along the bar.
6:17pm - (video) GG walking the bar area; then walking around to the back (no footage).
6:20pm - GG reportedly headed to the back kitchen of the bar and told someone to call police. Three witnesses, two women and a man, told police that Giordano approached them on Aug. 2, saying, "Can you help me? We were snorkeling and my girlfriend is missing," she told police. One woman told police that while Giordano's sneakers were wet, his shorts were not. When Giordano reported Gardner missing, he seemed extremely drunk, a local fisherman, Sergio Silva, told ABC News, although Giordano told police that the two never purchased alcohol at the restaurant.
6.23pm - 911 received notification of a possible drowning of a woman. The traveling companion of this woman, a man G.V.G. stated that they were going snorkeling behind Nanki Country Club.
At 6:23 pm on the day of her disappearance, police were called, and 20 minutes later began to search the area. Then, Giordano left the search to return to his hotel and take a nap, according to police. Disclaimer: This claim, at 6.40 GG went for a nap, not true, there are various pics of GG helping the police in the dark, pics where it is completely dark, it takes till 7:30 for it to get dark, so GG was not taking a nap at 6:40, he still was working with the police at least at 7:30.
Thursday, August 4th - Robins mother arrives.
Thursday, August 4th original date to fly back
Thursday, August 4th throughout the day per RF RGs gmail chat function turned green (active), orange (idle) and gray (signed off) on Wednesday and Thursday.
Thursday, August 4th - after Gardner went missing, Giordano called American Express Travel four times, asking about how he could redeem his policy. Police documents show that the American Express representative who took one of the calls said Giordano sounded excited, like he had "just won the lottery." The representative was so troubled by his behavior that the person called the police.
Friday, August 5th - Three days after the search for Gardner began, Giordano got within feet of leaving the country before he was stopped at Aruba's airport where he told U.S. Customs he had to change flights because of weather, and told officials that his travel companion was "taking another flight." He was trying to board a flight one hour earlier than his scheduled departure. When arrested, authorities say Giordano was drenched in sweat. Mug shot after being arrested trying to get on a plane off the island.
Wednesday, August 31st GG detained in jail for another 60 days (until Oct. 30th).
Note: If anyone has any updates for the TimeLine, please post!
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Looks like 30 more days:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...-30-more-days-in-robyn-gardner-disappearance/
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...-30-more-days-in-robyn-gardner-disappearance/
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REALLY__ARE YOU KIDDING ME??!!
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So LambChop, How does this work?? Every 30 days he can be held an additional 30 days, without being charged?
So three months is now 4 months, and after 30 more days it will be 5 months, and this will continue until he has served a life sentence on "suspicion" or at least until they can find enough evidence to prove he killed Robyn??? What is the maximum time Aruba can hold someone while they investigate a case? Do you know anything about how this works??
Just seems by now they should have something to charge him on, eh?:behindbar:sheesh:
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Laws are different down there and, yes, they can hold him for awhile but I think there is a maximum amount of time before they have to charge him or let him go. Joran was in jail from June 7th to December so it may be 6 months. jmo
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Joran was rearrested and was finally released in December when it was decided no charges would be filed.
http://articles.cnn.com/2007-12-07/world/aruba_1_sloot-deepak-and-satish-kalpoe-van-der?_s=PM:WORLD
http://articles.cnn.com/2007-12-07/world/aruba_1_sloot-deepak-and-satish-kalpoe-van-der?_s=PM:WORLD
Wasn't this the re-arrest that happened in 2007, when he was living in the Netherlands?
He was re-arrested in the Netherlands at the end of November 2007 and released a week or so later in December?
He left Aruba soon after he was released in Sept 2005 to live in the Netherlands.
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We've never heard from the ex-husband of Robyn, in the news, on investigative programs, regarding the alimony payments, etc.
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Lejuez said Friday morning's hearing lasted between an hour and a half and two hours. The defense attorney claimed that prosecutors argued to extend Giordano's detention, saying they needed more time to investigate Gardner's disappearance.
Authorities say they are still following information in the United States, the Netherlands, Curacao and Aruba in the case. That includes waiting results from examinations of cell phones and a computer. Lejuez says prosecutors also argued that they need time to follow up on "points of interest" identified by search and rescue dogs that were brought in from Holland.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/28/justice/aruba-missing-woman/?hpt=ju_c2
Authorities say they are still following information in the United States, the Netherlands, Curacao and Aruba in the case. That includes waiting results from examinations of cell phones and a computer. Lejuez says prosecutors also argued that they need time to follow up on "points of interest" identified by search and rescue dogs that were brought in from Holland.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/28/justice/aruba-missing-woman/?hpt=ju_c2
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