The Government probably just doesn't want to spend the money on Inquests. A very disrespectful attitude to the murdered and missing. Inquests should be mandatory after five years for unsolved murders, and after 10 years for missing people. jmo
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My opinion is that most police want a high clear up rate either because they are diligent or because they want the case finished and archived. No one wants an ever growing list that has to keep being reviewed.
Was the arrest of the POI down to a review by a determined detective team or was it down to a particularly conscientious evidence controller picking up some gaps in the chain of custody (evidence is taken into custody) and coming across the missing pieces.
If it had gone to the Coroner earlier they may have realised that evidence was missing but not found the evidence. Either way the walkabout fibres etc was a failure of somebody's duty of care. JMO
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They have an ever growing list since Shirley Finn and 1980 with Lisa Mott. Incorrect convictions and reviews that mostly went no where.
Not only did fibre evidence go missing so did evidence that had DNA in Ciara's case.
So how confident should we be?
Not only did fibre evidence go missing so did evidence that had DNA in Ciara's case.
So how confident should we be?
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Funny that you should bring that up. I had just been listening now on 6WN Radio about the Mallard debacle.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/earshot/wrongful-andrew-mallard/9156696
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Funny that you should bring that up. I had just been listening now on 6WN Radio about the Mallard debacle.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/earshot/wrongful-andrew-mallard/9
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Its a 5 part series if I recall correctly , different crimes where wrongful confessions were used , radio national repeats shows all through the week if anyone missed it and is interested
The only thing I can say to this is that the entire Culture and Make up of the WA police force seems to have changed , there is , and has been for a while a lot of recruitment from outside of Australia , these people and I think the younger West Australians do not hold some Detectives from the past in high esteem
Sadly it was some high profile detectives involved in cases that were corrupted or just wrong ,it was also a time thing ... the Police Forces across Australia have a terrible history of corruption and false imprisonment , but hopefully that has changed
In 1995 Claremont CIB wrote off KK rape as unsolved in 6 weeks.
SS & JR go missing.
In 1996 Macro doorknock and recover KK victims drivers licence. They write off any further investigation for a further 12 years.
In 1996 they recover fibres from JR crime scene & send them to the wrong lab where they sit untouched for 15 years.
In 2004, the Schramm review suggested they follow up on the tape lifts from the JR crime scene advising they were likely to reveal vital clues if tested. Macro has no idea where they are so must assume they've been lost for 8 years at that stage. Clearly they were documented as having been collected so they knew about them.
The Schramm review also finds a critical item from CG crime scene, overlooked for 7years, and recommends it also be tested. It is sent to the UK where they discover the breakthrough clue.
In 2011 when the Chem centre moved, the missing JR fibres are found & when tested also yield a breakthrough clue.
Since 1996 there have been 11 independent reviews, six of which did not involve members of the WA Police. The high-profile Schramm Review in 2004 was undertaken by highly-experienced and qualified homicide detectives, forensic and other experts from SA, NSW, the UK and USA.
There were clearly failures exceeding Caporn and his tunnel vision. Yet every review states no stone has been unturned and they all did a great job.
5 - 6 years later, they arrest a guy based on evidence found on a clearly unpreserved Kimono that has remained in storage almost 30 years yet supposedly matches KK & CG & leads them to their man.... Ok!!
El Gordo - I agree & hope you are right. Clearly things need to change. Its just a shame WA and all these missing/murdered people have been let down for so long.
SS & JR go missing.
In 1996 Macro doorknock and recover KK victims drivers licence. They write off any further investigation for a further 12 years.
In 1996 they recover fibres from JR crime scene & send them to the wrong lab where they sit untouched for 15 years.
In 2004, the Schramm review suggested they follow up on the tape lifts from the JR crime scene advising they were likely to reveal vital clues if tested. Macro has no idea where they are so must assume they've been lost for 8 years at that stage. Clearly they were documented as having been collected so they knew about them.
The Schramm review also finds a critical item from CG crime scene, overlooked for 7years, and recommends it also be tested. It is sent to the UK where they discover the breakthrough clue.
In 2011 when the Chem centre moved, the missing JR fibres are found & when tested also yield a breakthrough clue.
Since 1996 there have been 11 independent reviews, six of which did not involve members of the WA Police. The high-profile Schramm Review in 2004 was undertaken by highly-experienced and qualified homicide detectives, forensic and other experts from SA, NSW, the UK and USA.
There were clearly failures exceeding Caporn and his tunnel vision. Yet every review states no stone has been unturned and they all did a great job.
5 - 6 years later, they arrest a guy based on evidence found on a clearly unpreserved Kimono that has remained in storage almost 30 years yet supposedly matches KK & CG & leads them to their man.... Ok!!
El Gordo - I agree & hope you are right. Clearly things need to change. Its just a shame WA and all these missing/murdered people have been let down for so long.
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They also did Button
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/earshot/wrongful-the-john-button-story/9065942
And Beamish
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/earshot/wrongful-the-darryl-beamish-story/9065874
All are here>
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...ngful-stories-of-justice-denied-and-redeemed/
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Great summary no name.
Critics say some of the reviews were only done on one or unconnected parts of the CSK case decided by the Macro Force.
I'm, curious why they dragged the kimono story out at the press conference announcing the accused arrest, they could have just said we found the suspect who has DNA matching CG, KK and Huntingdale assault.
I think it was to provide a story that the majority of people would accept without questioning. Giving them a neat package without them asking "but how" meant the majority of people would just jump up and down rejoicing with high fives all round. Especially with the parting words of KO'K "we never give up" ringing in their ears. Accepted without question, great work WAPOL, so glad you didnt ever give up! There'll be an uproar if any of this falls apart on them and to hell with guilt or innocence, nor the truth, nor all the failings over the years.
I would think BREs Defence team will give the prosecution the opportunity to explain delays in finding evidence etc . , I think the entire defence will be based on the evidence trail from the start of the investigation , most of the unanswered questions will have to be answered
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I listened to the one on Andrew Mallard. One thing that really struck me was Caporns (sounded like) belligerent anger at suggestions to get the hand print tested!
I'd always thought he must have been incredibly incompetent with all his cases with wrongful convictions (2 or more) or in the CSK case, following the wrong suspect for 10 or so years. But now wonder if he may have known what he was doing??
Ha anyone else listened to this one?
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HaHa. That's a hard word to spell PD. I think they took one look at the mug shot and this is our man..!
Seriously the picture of the palmprint was very clear, wonder why he was so against getting it tested against the database??
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Timing, would probably explain the objection by Caporn.
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Hayley Dodd is another one of these incidents where forensic information is 'lost' for a decade and then found again and incriminates the prime suspect. Why is the WAPOL so incompetent?
It is interesting that this page [ 28 ] has been about wrongful imprisonment , missing / lost evidence , bad police procedures .
Consider this scenario
BREs legal team bypasses a jury , opts for a judge only trial , this means they have to put doubt in the mind of one person only , and the History of the WA legal system to create doubt with
Aside from the history the mistakes made in this case make a lot of things doubtful in the hands of someone interested in making them look that way , just my opinion
Consider this scenario
BREs legal team bypasses a jury , opts for a judge only trial , this means they have to put doubt in the mind of one person only , and the History of the WA legal system to create doubt with
Aside from the history the mistakes made in this case make a lot of things doubtful in the hands of someone interested in making them look that way , just my opinion
Some of the evidence may struggle to be admitted to court in the first place if proper policy in gathering it and the chain of custody hasnt been followed.
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I think its highly possible that the chain of custody issues will lead to the evidence being thrown out for some but probably not all the charges. The WAPOL have hardly been trustworthy with other convictions. I think there should be a Royal commission into WAPOL and police officers charged and sentenced if necessary for perjury and perverting the course of justice.
I wonder how many people are sitting in WA gaols for crimes they did not commit. Just look at how long it took the police to link the Karrakatta cemetry rape and abduction to the murders. Its mind boggling how incompetent they were on this. How many abductions in claremont are there? It was obvious to anyone except the police at the time that they were linked. If the CSK gets off because of police incompetence then there needs to be root and branch reform of this organisation.
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