Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #20

[ESH]

YES! Now you understand the need for popcorn!
I think we can safely disregard this as false bogus baloney!

Yes, have to agree Spooks. Think it's phoney article

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[Credulious]

Mr Ardley doesn't talk about the Kimono. He's talking about other clothes. He probably wasn't the only person that police re-interviewed about clothesline thefts.
I very much doubt that many others would of gone to the press, especially the person who lost the Kimono. It's not something you would want to become notorious about. IMO

Police must be checking out what type of clothes lines people have. They are matching clothes lines?

Interesting Mr Ardleys clothes line with womens sporting apparel was featured. Is there method in the madness?


WOMENS CLOTHING RIDDLE

Police have asked a Floreat man for more information about the 1988 theft of women's clothing from his washing line in Huntingdale.

The request came just days before ******* ******** was charged with the murders of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon.

Floreat resident Jeremy Ardley lived in Huntingdale in 1988. Mr ******* has been charged with indecently assaulting an 18 year old Huntingdale women in 1988.

"The police called us up about that a few days before the recent arrest of ******* ******* " Mr Ardley said.

Mr Ardley said police asked him if he recalled anything about the 28 year old crime, in which women's sports apparel had been stolen.

"They asked ' do you recall anything unusual in the area around that date?'" Mr Ardley said.


Post Newspaper 07 January 2017
Author: David Cohen

 

[Xyz]

Does anyone know if the Conti CCTV cameras operated 24/7, or were switched off at closing time?

 

[Credulious]

So they have both DNA and the clothes line as a tie to the crime scenes. Two forensic links. Finding the origin of the clothesline of some importance. And or discounting clothesline events as being associated.

Police have supposedly uncovered a “forensic link’’ between a 1995 Claremont rape and the murder of Ciara Glennon, 27, the third of the Claremont serial killer’s victims

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...al-killer-ng-892372bf2e7886119c85f1860924685a

 

[Credulious]

24:00 hours was when the 'pubs' closed. Most likely when the predator turned up to catch women leaving the places closing at midnight.

It was peak victim period, and a shortage of taxis started

 

[LennyAustralia]

My Theory

1988 Offender on the prowl in Huntingdale, sees the Kimono on a line and takes it because he likes it and thinks it will fit him.

With his knowledge from prowling the area he knows a young female lives in specific block of units.

He enters the unit and attempts rape but in his excitement prematurely ejaculates as the girl is screaming.

He wipes himself and in his haste to get out, drops the kimono.

Police investigate? The Kimono is bagged, tagged and ends up in evidence archives.

In 1995 a 17 yr old girl is dragged into Karrakatta cemetery and raped.

In 1996 the body of SS is deposited in the swampy bush land of Wellard or thereabouts.

Later that year in June the body of JR is deposited in the same area, by chance, due to unusually tall lilies growing at the spot, she was found in August.

In March 1997 CG disappeared Wellard was not safe now so the body of CG was deposited in bush land north of Perth at Eglington.

I can only surmise here that at some point there is a cold case review of unsolved sex crimes and the Kimono is tested and checked against the DNA data base.

It throws up matching profiles from other crimes but does not identify the perpetrator.

The task force try matching Familial DNA with no success until at some point there is a match leading to the arrest of the alleged perpetrator.

I reckon you are spot on! I also think that WAPOL were just reviewing all cold case crimes of a sexual nature with the latest Familial DNA technology. This has found a link to the CSK crimes by chance rather than anything else! I like your theory on the body dumping as it makes a lot of sense. That is why I also believe he took all the victims to the cemetery just like the first KK victim.

 

[lampformypath]

YES! Now you understand the need for popcorn!
I think we can safely disregard this as false bogus baloney!

As it's Irish, I say Blarney!

 

[Pandit]

Hi Jan,

My theory has them rushing to reopen the Huntingdale file as soon as the connection to the kimono, Karrakatta and CG was made. (early 2016) They only had to solve that old case to have the CSK.

Early 2016 is when I believe eyes went on Bra.

I think the familial DNA was sought by the police in their inquiries after reopening the Huntingdale file, it didn't just lob onto the criminal database by chance or luck at just the right time. (If it wasn't there prior to early 2016).

Police said a kimono-style dressing gown which was dropped by the intruder in the Huntingdale house provided a vital clue to the breakthrough in their investigation into the Claremont case.
The dressing gown was placed in police evidence storage, where it remained until earlier this year. (2016)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-24/police-scour-home-belonging-to-bradley-edwards-parents/8146790


QUOTE: JanWA

"I can only surmise here that at some point there is a cold case review of unsolved sex crimes and the Kimono is tested and checked against the DNA data base.

It throws up matching profiles from other crimes but does not identify the perpetrator.

The task force try matching Familial DNA with no success until at some point there is a match leading to the arrest of the alleged perpetrator."

 

[Canning Vale]

Regarding the mystery woman captured in the CCTV. Her feet aren’t visible, but possibly threw her shoes over the balcony, intending to pick them up when she reached the ground.

There were several people who claimed to have seen JR walking along. Any sightings without shoes?

Perhaps JRs drink was spiked with something.

 

[Canning Vale]

Could it be possible one of BREs family provided a DNA sample - voluntarily? Once WAPOL reopened the HD case, perhaps they tracked-down the Edwards (parents), for further questioning.

Could it be possible a family member was a familial DNA donor and WAPOL agreed to keep the matter confidential.

WAPOL have been very vague with regard to the DNA connection, perhaps they can’t reveal the donor.

A family member holding a grudge – but why!

These are just my thoughts and opinions.

 

[no name]

The last bit about police clues released in 2015 - can I please have weblink? will save me looking

Thats all from Suttons post that I linked for you Spooks. I had it copied so I dont recall what others may have said about it now, but they were pretty clued in sleuths who'd done a lot of research. I'd question the 2008 date for the JR fibers at least as we now believe they were lost until 2011. Then again, theres lots of discrepancies between dates posted in MSM, the official story & what makes logical sense.
Interesting read anyway around March of Thread 4, all before the arrest (according to my notes.. Hehehe)

 

[petedavo.au]

Block of units? I don’t remember it being referred to as a block of units before.


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No blocks of units existed in Huntingdale in 1988, if you mean hi-rise.

Area surrounding the accused parents house was all Bush through to the backyards of houses on the next street parallel. I think it's called Bullfinch now.
The streets and houses seen on Google Maps in between didn't exist then.

Probably a peeping toms paradise, jumping fences, (if there were any - some of the properties along the eastern end of Bullfinch still don't have any fences).

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[lampformypath]

Regarding the mystery woman captured in the CCTV. Her feet aren’t visible, but possibly threw her shoes over the balcony, intending to pick them up when she reached the ground.

There were several people who claimed to have seen JR walking along. Any sightings without shoes?

Perhaps JRs drink was spiked with something.

That's interesting as the drink spiking thing seems to ring true with JR and not the other girls to me as this would make it appear she was drunk and staggering (which some people have said they saw a girl that fitted JR description doing this and of course we all dismissed this as not being her because she was fine in the "waiting/watching video"). I still think different methods of capture for different women.

This sheds some light on drink spiking:

http://www.victimsservices.justice.nsw.gov.au/Documents/tp_sheet_drink-spiking-myths.pdf


Quote from abovementioned article:

"Rohypnol as a brand name for the generic drug flunitrazepam was withdrawn from sale in Australia in 1998" BBM

So it was still available at the time of the murders, and the CSK could have "stocked up" on them to have in his "kit" for future use? JMO

https://www.sharecare.com/health/illegal-drug-use/effects-date-rape-drugs-body

Quote from abovementioned article below:

" Rohypnol

The effects of Rohypnol can be felt within 30 minutes of being drugged and can last for several hours. If you are drugged, you might look and act like someone who is drunk. You might have trouble standing. Your speech might be slurred. Or you might pass out."


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[petedavo.au]

Old women's weekly article disclosing post mortem details https://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-australian-womens-weekly/20160601/281513635356758

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[Eaglette]

Understanding a killer is difficult. Some feel safer in jail. Some can't wait to get parole. I do wonder if BRE is a model prisoner at Hakea and wonder whether he enjoys anonymity or has more freedom. 14 months in Hakea thus far - without pleading Guilty or Not Guilty. Understanding a serial killer is more difficult.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/lifesty...es-prison-ng-72b2669ecf006fe9ef011a97482f2085

Generally, I have found The Post newspaper to have the best articles about the CSK case.

 

[ESH]

That's interesting as the drink spiking thing seems to ring true with JR and not the other girls to me as this would make it appear she was drunk and staggering (which some people have said they saw a girl that fitted JR description doing this and of course we all dismissed this as not being her because she was fine in the "waiting/watching video"). I still think different methods of capture for different women.

This sheds some light on drink spiking:

http://www.victimsservices.justice.nsw.gov.au/Documents/tp_sheet_drink-spiking-myths.pdf


Quote from abovementioned article:

"Rohypnol as a brand name for the generic drug flunitrazepam was withdrawn from sale in Australia in 1998" BBM

So it was still available at the time of the murders, and the CSK could have "stocked up" on them to have in his "kit" for future use? JMO

https://www.sharecare.com/health/illegal-drug-use/effects-date-rape-drugs-body

Quote from abovementioned article below:

" Rohypnol

The effects of Rohypnol can be felt within 30 minutes of being drugged and can last for several hours. If you are drugged, you might look and act like someone who is drunk. You might have trouble standing. Your speech might be slurred. Or you might pass out."


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Still not 100% convinced that it is a person / girl in the ice box pic however, I dont have any other explanations for what it could be either. If it is a person, the only reasons I can think of that would cause someone to come over the side instead of down the stairs is...
1. They were pushed
2. They overbalance & fell (while under influence of alcohol or drugs)
3. There was someone on the stairs that they were trying to escape from.

Having said that.....if there was a person falling off and there were 2 people standing underneath observing, surely we would have heard something about it. Unless the person(s) underneath had sinister intentions ???

All just my thoughts & opinions.

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[no name]

Bits and pieces concerning recent topics of discussion. Some may help your timeline Spooks. Copies of all articles have been posted previously.

Caporn speaking with Liam Bartlett in 2003 about LW says they've tried hard to rule him with with DNA swabs. It then said his comments are a little misleading seeing they have no DNA of the murder victims. He concedes they are retesting hoping improved extraction methods will get them to the point something is viable.

Taxi drivers swabbed in the weeks following janes disappearance. In the past few weeks Caporn told the Taxi Board the swabs would be kept but not included on the recently implemented National DNA database.

18Aug2008 - The West Australian
POLICE WATCH NEW CLAREMONT SUSPECT.
In 2005 police surveillance of LW stopped.

Aug2008 - NASA COULD NOT ENHANCE CRITICAL CLAREMONT FOOTAGE. Andrea Haywood
Chris Dawson speaking about MM - "he walks close to Jane, theres some exchange of words, or there appears to be, and HE WALKS OUT OF VIEW".
On the video - the primary focus of its release was to get people to come forward.

11Dec2008 - Post Newspaper
Earlier this month a 5 person international review team revealed it had uncovered a new line of enquiry based on scientific examination of samples taken from the grave site of JR.

SERIAL KILLER NET TIGHTENS 21Mar15 Post Newspaper.
Squad members have made more than seven trips to the UK to take advantage of the most recent breakthroughs in DNA analysis, using a private forensic science company.One of its founders, Dr Jonathan Whitaker, a senior fo-rensic scientist, has visited Perth and worked on the Claremont case.In UK cases Dr Whitaker has used familial techniques to track down the culprits of unsolved murders up to 30 years old, with one-in-a-billion accuracy.Familial DNA testing depends on the fact that each human gets half his or her DNA from each parent, and share a chunk of that DNA with other blood relatives.Police believe that by using some of the best scientists in the world and samples col-lected back in the 1990s, they can crack the case, but remain tight-lipped about the latest scientific results.They are hoping to use new computer software that com-pares the long strings of num-bers generated by DNA profiling results, an operation now done MANUALLY.

 

[Molly Dooker]

No blocks of units existed in Huntingdale in 1988, if you mean hi-rise.

Area surrounding the accused parents house was all Bush through to the backyards of houses on the next street parallel. I think it's called Bullfinch now.
The streets and houses seen on Google Maps in between didn't exist then.

Probably a peeping toms paradise, jumping fences, (if there were any - some of the properties along the eastern end of Bullfinch still don't have any fences).

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petedavo and janwa: Did I interpret the word ‘unit’ in the wrong way... could it have been a villa?


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[Canning Vale]

Another possibility- obtaining familial DNA…

Thinking early 2016 - If WAPOL did visit the E’s at their Mandurah home, WAPOL would have remained tight-lipped regarding the CSK incidents. Perhaps WAPOL simply mentioned they’d like to clarify a few details, in regard to the 1988 incident, advising they’d like to obtain DNA, so they could rule out clothing found at the scene which may have originated from the E’s clothesline – meaning stolen from the E’s. Not mentioning a Kimono.

Back in 1988,in Gay St where the Es lived were 3 to 5 acre lots, and possibly the Es were the only family within the vicinity that had teenagers. If the HD incident was close-by, the two E sons may have been on WAPOLs radar. I’m certainly not suggesting TE had anything to do with the matter.

I’m aware, other forum members have mentioned the two E’s being on WAPOL’s radar – but I can’t recall who raised the matter.

 

[Pandit]

Some very interesting observations made by seasoned detective in this article.

Jane almost certainly had a pre-arranged meeting with her killer, she knew him. The question is also asked if Sarah and Ciara also had met their killer previously.

Yet there's no CCTV of his face, which leads me to think again that he knew where all the cameras were.

Old women's weekly article disclosing post mortem details https://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-australian-womens-weekly/20160601/281513635356758

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