Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #21

[no name]

I would like to see a map of the completed search area
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018[/QU...Maylands Academy performed the search though.

 

[janwa]

Date is on the article 22 March 1997. In subsequent interviews about JR footage police have said its existence was documented in the press at the time.

I can see that date of 22 March 1997 just querying how the news item can include a reference to the JR video as that wasn't released until 2008 so it can't be an article from 1997.

 

[KrissyJ]

I doubt the Camry would have been used as demo derby. Need to disable airbags. The engineering is all very different to older cars. Camry is designed to collapse.

Along the lines of SS being buried at the speedway site - I mentioned in a post a day or so ago that the car the police are looking for presently tied into SS case could have been used in the speedway demolition derby. What are people’s thoughts on this? MOO

 

[KrissyJ]

The date is on the image Jan WA. :loveyou:

What date was this article it mentions the JR security video that was released in 2008. In the report given to me the taxi was parked that's why it was so noticeable. Passing a taxi in that area would not be unusual both were probably taking short cuts.

 

[Innerchild]

I can see that date of 22 March 1997 just querying how the news item can include a reference to the JR video as that wasn't released until 2008 so it can't be an article from 1997.

On 11 June 1996 the front page of the West Australian said "Missing Woman - Video Clue Hope". Detectives investigating the disappearance of Jane Rimmer from outside Claremont's Continental Hotel will use video security tape to identify a group of people she was last seen with. ...

In a statement released yesterday hotel management said it had given the video surveillance tape to the Task Force which had been set up to investigate Ms Rimmer's disappearance. The Hotel's video camera which pan outside the front of the hotel and down a section of Bay View Terrace may have recorded some of the people in the group. ...

This Continental Hotel cctv that was released to the public in 2008 was shown to patrons of the Hotel after her disappearance to identify themselves and be eliminated as a suspect. Another news report just before this one said Club Bay View had security footage, but I don't think this was ever released.

Then there was security footage of the night that Ciara went missing, that possible witness was reported having a look at in the days after her disappearance, but again not shown to the public for unknown reasons.

 

[janwa]

On 11 June 1996 the front page of the West Australian said "Missing Woman - Video Clue Hope". Detectives investigating the disappearance of Jane Rimmer from outside Claremont's Continental Hotel will use video security tape to identify a group of people she was last seen with. ...

In a statement released yesterday hotel management said it had given the video surveillance tape to the Task Force which had been set up to investigate Ms Rimmer's disappearance. The Hotel's video camera which pan outside the front of the hotel and down a section of Bay View Terrace may have recorded some of the people in the group. ...

This Continental Hotel cctv that was released to the public in 2008 was shown to patrons of the Hotel after her disappearance to identify themselves and be eliminated as a suspect. Another news report just before this one said Club Bay View had security footage, but I don't think this was ever released.

Then there was security footage of the night that Ciara went missing, that possible witness was reported having a look at in the days after her disappearance, but again not shown to the public for unknown reasons.

Thanks Innerchild that makes the 1996 article a bit clearer but the withholding from the public even more questionable.

 

[DRT]

I can see that date of 22 March 1997 just querying how the news item can include a reference to the JR video as that wasn't released until 2008 so it can't be an article from 1997.

I am looking at various dates from the West Australian when searches have been done.
18 February 1997 The West Australian reported with reference to Wellard
" Sgt Caporn, who is head of the macro task force investigating the double mystery, said a small team would spend several days searching the area. "

1 April 1997 The West Australian reported

	POLICE investigating the disappear-ances of Sarah Spiers and Ciara Glennon will use an infra-red scanning system to search Perth's bush for clues. The forward-looking system, known as FLIR, will be installed on a police air wing helicopter or fixed-wing aircraft to help Macro task force investigators.
	But the investigators have postponed plans to conduct another ground level search of bush at Wellard, where the body of Jane Rimmer was found in August.

They had planned to search the area some time this week, possibly as early as tomorrow, as part of attempts to get a breakthrough in the hunt for the person or people responsible for the disappearances of Miss Spiers and Miss Glennon and the murder of Miss Rimmer. "

These dates would be around the date the picture showed.

 

[Innerchild]

Thanks Innerchild that makes the 1996 article a bit clearer but the withholding from the public even more questionable.

Very questionable if you ask me. I think it was a report after Ciara went missing and just before her body was discovered, 22 March 1997.

Vision from camera from at least three venues; Jane, Club Bay View and Conti cctv and Ciara, Conti cctv. (Don't know about SS, haven't read any reports?)

Only showing little bits to patrons at the time and then a highly amended and poor quality compilation 12 years later for Jan, and still nothing public for Ciara is like deliberately with holding the full picture, IMO.

 

[nini83]

Don’t think the 1988 Camry has airbags

I doubt the Camry would have been used as demo derby. Need to disable airbags. The engineering is all very different to older cars. Camry is designed to collapse.

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[janwa]

Very questionable if you ask me. I think it was a report after Ciara went missing and just before her body was discovered, 22 March 1997.

Vision from camera from at least three venues; Jane, Club Bay View and Conti cctv and Ciara, Conti cctv. (Don't know about SS, haven't read any reports?)

Only showing little bits to patrons at the time and then a highly amended and poor quality compilation 12 years later for Jan, and still nothing public for Ciara is like deliberately with holding the full picture, IMO.

Does any one know what the misleading was about or can anyone get into this article.


[h=3]The Age from Melbourne, Victoria on May 30, 1998 · Page 35[/h]https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/123042319/

May 30, 1998 - Last seen at 2.06am at a telephone booth on the Stirling Highway, Claremont JaneLouise RIMMER Age: 23 Occupation: Child-care worker On 8 June 1 996, .... The taskforce suffered a setback when its . then head, Senior Sergeant Paul Ferguson, was removed and charged later with misleading a special

 

[Pandit]

He's mentioned eleven or twelves times in that pdf document, in various roles. So many roles and so many 'thank you's', I was surprised but given there were some disgruntled comments about there being an unwillingness by many parents to help out probably shouldn't be.

They were short of hands there it seems. This leads me to lean even further into thinking that this is indeed Bradley Robert Edwards.

Don't think that's him, no captions, no photos of him for his two reports. BLAC will be under enough pressure without posting pictures of their volunteer parents. Participation rate of helpers will go down again!

 

[JWSleuth]

Just putting it out there; if the pic is bre, which the bottom half IMO looks like him, the goatee makes him look so much fairer in hair colour almost light. And almost like another indentikit... from memory.,

 

[DRT]

Does any one know what the misleading was about or can anyone get into this article.


The Age from Melbourne, Victoria on May 30, 1998 · Page 35

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/123042319/


May 30, 1998 - Last seen at 2.06am at a telephone booth on the Stirling Highway, Claremont JaneLouise RIMMER Age: 23 Occupation: Child-care worker On 8 June 1 996, .... The taskforce suffered a setback when its . then head, Senior Sergeant Paul Ferguson, was removed and charged later with misleading a special

The article was listed in the Age as 2 separate articles

HD	WHO KILLED THESE WOMEN? - THE HUNT FOR A SERIAL KILLER - Part One

WHO KILLED THESE WOMEN? - THE HUNT FOR A SERIAL KILLER - Part Two

They were available online last year and the link that was available is now dead. There was some discussion early August last year about the article. Remind me tomorrow and I will see if I can look it up properly as my internet is playing up.

"Everybody in Perth appears to know who is the killer. He is a taxi driver, they say. He is believed to be the former mayor, Peter Weygers (this is untrue: police say he is not a suspect). He is the public servant from a nearby suburb who was arrested by police at 3am on Sunday, 5 April, as he cruised Claremont in his car, armed with a knife, stalking young women. He is local. He is any number of estranged male partners dobbed in by women who accused them of liking kinky sex with young girls and, therefore, they had to be suspect. The killer is a police officer. He is from interstate, where he has killed before (no evidence for this). He was a friend of the dead and missing women, or was known to them, as the friend of a friend.
They all know also that limbs were hacked from the bodies of the dead women and spikes driven into the skulls. Police have revealed little about the bodies or the investigation, but the rumors became so frightening they told The Age emphatically: "They were not mutilated."

 

[KrissyJ]

Thanks Nini83. My error.

Is it a half chassis or glued together? Do they do demo derby anymore?

I wonder if the model police are seeking is V6. It would narrow things down.

A V6 model was also released in 1988 as Toyota sought a slice of the local six-cylinder market.

Don’t think the 1988 Camry has airbags






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[Pandit]

Here's the relevant paragraph:

[FONT=&amp]Taskforce spokesman Tony Potts counters: "We are not going to make any apology for investigating the murder of two young women and the disappearance of another. We act within the law. We are always professional." The taskforce suffered a setback when its . then head, Senior Sergeant Paul Ferguson, was removed and charged later with misleading a special Investigator from Western Australia's Anti-Corruption Commission on matters relating to a drug squad case. It had nothing to do with the murder Investiga- ' tipn. . n There is also a dispute among academics about the use by police of FBI profiling techniques while, it is claimed, there is a better science in England.


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Does any one know what the misleading was about or can anyone get into this article.


The Age from Melbourne, Victoria on May 30, 1998 · Page 35

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/123042319/


May 30, 1998 - Last seen at 2.06am at a telephone booth on the Stirling Highway, Claremont JaneLouise RIMMER Age: 23 Occupation: Child-care worker On 8 June 1 996, .... The taskforce suffered a setback when its . then head, Senior Sergeant Paul Ferguson, was removed and charged later with misleading a special

 

[lampformypath]

Does any one know what the misleading was about or can anyone get into this article.


The Age from Melbourne, Victoria on May 30, 1998 · Page 35

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/123042319/


May 30, 1998 - Last seen at 2.06am at a telephone booth on the Stirling Highway, Claremont JaneLouise RIMMER Age: 23 Occupation: Child-care worker On 8 June 1 996, .... The taskforce suffered a setback when its . then head, Senior Sergeant Paul Ferguson, was removed and charged later with misleading a special

Hi Janwa, I think you might find this interesting reading! It's a very lengthy document, but boy does it make for some fascinating bedtime reading! Definitely adults only! If you scroll down to D29/3 it starts mentioning Paul Ferguson. I've just been skimming through this, jaw dropping, eyes popping......

The heading of the article is BBM:

"ROYAL COMMISSION INTO WHETHER THERE HAS BEEN ANY CORRUPT OR CRIMINAL CONDUCT BY WESTERN AUSTRALIAN POLICE OFFICERS"


COMMISSIONER: G.A. Kennedy AO QC

Held at Perth on the 14th day of August, 2003


https://www.slp.wa.gov.au/publications/publications.nsf/DocByAgency/A6287B2BB0C1A84A48256D75002F96C2/$file/S030814.pdf


QUOTE:
"All right. And when was it, if at all, that Argyle Diamonds, in particular Mr Burton, said to you that he would provide you a letter for the purposes of your matter going before the court? Do you remember when that was?---I wasn't aware that he told me he would provide one until my solicitor John Redman told me that one had been provided just prior to the trial, because in actual fact I was given immunity from prosecution - -

Yes?--- - - from DPP and the Police Department for my full cooperation. Most of the officers, they all said to me, no, I'd never be charged. Robin Thoy said I always would be. Once again, as my faith and trust in police officers, I didn't believe them. I've never disputed the fact that that was actually offered to me in the presence of my solicitor.

Right?---Immunity from prosecution.

And that immunity from prosecution; who uttered those words to you? Do you remember which officers it was?---It was - - my solicitor John Redman was there. I think Clayton Gwilliam was there, to memory, Steve Robbins and there was also - - I would have to check this, sir. It may have been actually at DPP or at my solicitor's office.

All right. Do you remember any of the DPP officers that spoke to you about the indemnity issue?---Yes. It was (...name suppressed...). There was a meeting with (...name suppressed...), Sue Lightfoot, Nigel? Rayney, sitting round the table. Yes, that was mentioned at that point of time too, sir.

And just help me there. The issue of the indemnity was that if you gave evidence, you wouldn't be charged with anything?--That's right.

Right. You were, however, later charged. Did you have some anger and disquiet about that fact?---No, because I never believed them in the first place.

You never believed them that they would provide the indemnity to you. Is that right?---No - - that is correct, yeah. I didn't think they would honour their word."

 

[no name]

Does any one know what the misleading was about or can anyone get into this article.
[h=3]The Age from Melbourne, Victoria on May 30, 1998 · Page 35

I have both parts of this article copied and pasted in full but it is way too long for the thread. If DRT cant find an accessible copy, I can forward it via PM or I'll post it if people want to see it. I dont have a link either though.

 

[KrissyJ]

Be interesting to take another look at this after the trial.

Here's the relevant paragraph:[FONT=&amp]

Taskforce spokesman Tony Potts counters: "We are not going to make any apology for investigating the murder of two young women and the disappearance of another. We act within the law. We are always professional." The taskforce suffered a setback when its . then head, Senior Sergeant Paul Ferguson, was removed and charged later with misleading a special Investigator from Western Australia's Anti-Corruption Commission on matters relating to a drug squad case. It had nothing to do with the murder Investigation. . n There is also a dispute among academics about the use by police of FBI profiling techniques while, it is claimed, there is a better science in England.[/FONT]

 

[Pandit]

This is a terrible pic, even though I've cleaned it up as much as I can quickly, someone else with better skills might do a better job. It's a dot map, each dot represents a person on the streets the night Ciara was taken.

There's quite a few people it seems they've spoken to. I think you can make out Gugeri Street and get an idea from there where everything is.

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/12540511/dot_map_claremont_cg/

 

[ApplePie80]

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(and yes that's a Te1stra lanyard)
source:
http://www.blac.asn.au/add_files/club_portal/forms/yrbk2012.pdf