Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #4

[aim2solve]

Quite a clear and accurate photograph of the Ciara Glennon dump location. The forensic access markers can be seen coming from the limestone track. Image courtesy of Channel 7. WSA2S89.

 

[Sutton]

So was she found where the officers are standing? And is it suspected the killer walked along the trail where the orange markers are?

 

[Parkie]

It is sloping ground there, pretty much from the track down. Delbery Grady you said'Then have DNA to eliminate suspects then they must have the csk. This is incorrect of you. They probably have DNA but no one to link it to. Big coverage from CH 10 this afternoon at 5pm on the case. Probably nearly 10 mins worth.

 

[Deleted member 153673]

Thanks for the heads up parkie.

 

[billywhizz]

transcript with BC talking to abc

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-27/unsolved-serial-killings-still-haunt-west-australia/7119116

 

[firestarter]

http://tenplay.com.au/news/national


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[Bartholemeus]

Not sure if you can help answer this, but I recall a while ago reading that at least one of the girls bodies had been mutilated, is this a confirmed fact or just hearsay/rumors.

It's a rumour.

 

[Sutton]

It is sloping ground there, pretty much from the track down. Delbery Grady you said'Then have DNA to eliminate suspects then they must have the csk. This is incorrect of you. They probably have DNA but no one to link it to. Big coverage from CH 10 this afternoon at 5pm on the case. Probably nearly 10 mins worth.

Can someone take notes and post them to the thread? Please.

 

[billywhizz]

Can someone take notes and post them to the thread? Please.

Its here Sutton. Firestarter posted it

http://tenplay.com.au/news/national

 

[billywhizz]

JR was a quick drop, and I`m sad to say that. This is horrible stuff. He would have had no time at all & would be panicky considering the locale. CG well he had all the time to find somewhere.

Parkie can you please expand on this?

Why is JR a 'quick drop' and CG he had 'all the time to find somewhere'

If CSK is so meticulous why would have have chosen a locale that made him panicky? And why is one rushed and one not given that both went missing at very similar times?

thanks

 

[billywhizz]

Ink was found on the rope, along with Cotton t shirt material. Rope was found at one of the scenes.

Legit question Parkie - in all your correspondence with SCS (it seems you have had a lot), and taking into account the serial killer Edmund Kemper and his relative proximity to the police investigation involving his crimes, do you honestly think they are giving you correct info?

Macro officers are made to sign confidentiality agreements before they are allowed to work on the case. If you are not ********ting, then you know someone who visited the scene before police found it. The Karrakkatta girl was bound with clothesline. Which scene was rope found at and why would the CSK leave rope behind? Honestly.

 

[JMC44]

The Channel 10 video is not working for me. Is anything new covered or interesting discussed?

 

[billywhizz]

The Channel 10 video is not working for me. Is anything new covered or interesting discussed?

- While no one has been brought to justice, detectives are still receiving tips and following leads
- Terry Dobson says 'killer or killers' are never going to be safe, certainly not with such a high profile investigation. News reporter also refers to killer or killers.
- With advances in DNA technology LW, SR and PW have been cleared
- BC says police had to sign confidentiality agreements in order to work on investigation
- Police refuse to comment on link between CSK and Karrakatta
- Police say MM a POI, not a suspect
- Police remain optimistic they can solve these crimes

 

[J35]

- BC says police had to sign confidentiality agreements in order to work on investigation

yeah, BC also said police have remained tight lipped ... so who tipped him off about the DNA link and the car fibers.....!

 

[88mph]

Must be a pretty cushy to land a gig on MACRO.

20 years? Is that a world record?

 

[JMC44]

- While no one has been brought to justice, detectives are still receiving tips and following leads
- Terry Dobson says 'killer or killers' are never going to be safe, certainly not with such a high profile investigation. News reporter also refers to killer or killers.
- With advances in DNA technology LW, SR and PW have been cleared
- BC says police had to sign confidentiality agreements in order to work on investigation
- Police refuse to comment on link between CSK and Karrakatta
- Police say MM a POI, not a suspect
- Police remain optimistic they can solve these crimes

Thanks. I'm hopeful it is solved this year.

 

[Parkie]

Parkie can you please expand on this?

Why is JR a 'quick drop' and CG he had 'all the time to find somewhere'

If CSK is so meticulous why would have have chosen a locale that made him panicky? And why is one rushed and one not given that both went missing at very similar times?

thanks

No problem. JR spot he couldn`t drive into & was a danger of someone driving past & being spotted. CG he had the loop road which got him away from vehicles driving along.

 

[Parkie]

So was she found where the officers are standing? And is it suspected the killer walked along the trail where the orange markers are?

No this is so the police keep to one path in & out to the spot. They don`t want them walking over the whole area all the time. Where the police are in the pic is slightly downhill.

 

[Parkie]

Legit question Parkie - in all your correspondence with SCS (it seems you have had a lot), and taking into account the serial killer Edmund Kemper and his relative proximity to the police investigation involving his crimes, do you honestly think they are giving you correct info?

Macro officers are made to sign confidentiality agreements before they are allowed to work on the case. If you are not ********ting, then you know someone who visited the scene before police found it. The Karrakkatta girl was bound with clothesline. Which scene was rope found at and why would the CSK leave rope behind? Honestly.

I simply put 2 & 2 together. They have a rope or wire clue. Tiny fibres of clothing are found in it. Plus traces of ink. That's what I suppose how it went.

 

[aim2solve]

I realise this is off the current discussion of vehicle specifics...but still relevant.

Posted by aim2solve in thread # 3

'The licenced establishment which is located on ST QUENTIN was CLUB BAY VIEW in 1995. In 1999, it split into CLUB BAY VIEW and THE AVENUE. The south side entrance became the main entrance for club bay view. The St Quentin's entrance became THE AVENUE entrance.
Prof. David Canter has deduced that serial killers who abduct from a concentrated area are more often marauders [Predators who travel from other home locations but that have a strong significant association with the abduction area]. What sort of professionals would work in Claremont but live a distance of 5 to 10 Kilometers away? '


This is the first time I came across the sub category of 'Marauders' (Thanks aim2solve)
Wanting to know more, I came across this site on Geographical Profiling which I thought was rather interesting and discusses (among other things) Marauders v. Commuters

Marauders v. Commuters
Serial offenders can be divided broadly into two categories: marauders and commuters. Marauders are offenders who commit crimes outward from their anchor points as outlined in the pattern discussed above.

Commuters are offenders who travel outside of their normal activity and awareness spaces to commit crimes. This is most likely done in an attempt to leave no connection between their offense locations and residences.

Note:*Geographic profiling will not identify the anchor point of a commuter. Investigators should consider the possibility of a commuter when a geographic profile puts major highway exits near the highest points of the probability map.

http://www.bairanalytics.com/software/atacraids/geographic-profile/

Thanks for your mention, MyLeftFoot.

Statistically, the geographical concentration ratio of abduction area to disposal area is very high compared to a lot of other serial killers, and this doesn't need to take into account anything remarkable about the landscape of the Metro area of Perth. From a profiling perspective, the offender most likely did not live in Claremont or it's immediate surrounds. Therefore, we can either put Claremont into the "activity area" or "workplace area" category.

Claremont itself, was very much a commuter's area of Perth, especially during that period. The trip from the CBD to Fremantle or the other North-Western suburbs would see one almost definitely pass through the Claremont area.

Another interesting point is the the fact that the offender traveled south and then EAST with JR, but North and then WEST with CG.

Early geographical profiling assisted with circumstantial evidence being gathered on Lance Williams (SUSPECT).

Regards,

AIM2SOLVE