GUILTY Australia - Kiesha Weippeart, 6, Mount Druitt, NSW, 18 July 2010 - #1

[revampz]

Just catching up again....

Once again the report that the uncles car has been detained.....and denied.....find this interesting........I dont really beleive it when the police "deny" reports as usually the report is in fact true and they just dont want the info being known to the media and public as it may jeopardize the case, which of course is understandable.....

2 things re this: this would answer my question of how did they transport her body somewhere if she was killed.......or

the uncle may be involved........re the quote from the neighbour....Kiesha was seen by her with a male relative...... however why would they cover for him...... especially Robert....or if him, maybe they didnt know.....

Also they obviously think she is dead if they have gone to Canberra..........most of us would not leave the area where our child went missing if we were unsure of what happened to her....to me this says that they think there is no hope at all of finding her.....

 

[butwhatif?]

Just catching up again....

Once again the report that the uncles car has been detained.....and denied.....find this interesting........I dont really beleive it when the police "deny" reports as usually the report is in fact true and they just dont want the info being known to the media and public as it may jeopardize the case, which of course is understandable.....

2 things re this: this would answer my question of how did they transport her body somewhere if she was killed.......or

the uncle may be involved........re the quote from the neighbour....Kiesha was seen by her with a male relative...... however why would they cover for him...... especially Robert....or if him, maybe they didnt know.....

Also they obviously think she is dead if they have gone to Canberra..........most of us would not leave the area where our child went missing if we were unsure of what happened to her....to me this says that they think there is no hope at all of finding her.....

BBM-
Maybe they all have a lot of dirt on each other?
Maybe they were all involved somehow?
Maybe they just didn't care, 'cause it was one less kid to have to worry about being charged over or having contact with DoCS over? :banghead:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

This is unbelievable news. Those two people with a baby and a young child, out and on the loose, I can only hope that police have them under surveillance. If we are suspicious, multiply that tenfold for the police - they aren't stupid. I would bet my last dollar they are being watched.

I just sent a letter off to the Premier about this. I think we should all do it. There are several things I pointed out as particularly ridiculous in this case.

1. That Kiesha went missing when under the watch of DoCS in the first place.
2. That Kiesha was able to miss nearly 8 months of school this year without the issue being addressed / changed.
3. That Kiesha was returned to a home where she had previously been abused (bite on shoulder) and her older brother had died.
4. That Kiesha's two siblings are still with this parent, even though Kiesha is now missing under suspicious circumstances.
5. That Kiesha's biological father's support payments have been increased since Kiesha went missing, even though its very clear that she is no longer with Kristi, therefore no longer in need of support from that individual.
6. Kristi and Rob, and have now left their home in Sydney for Canberra with the children.

I also posed the question 'what does it take in this state to protect a child, what kind of people are we if we don't take care of our most vulnerable members of society, what kind of government do we have, and do we want to have going forward.'

I urge everyone to write too, the more times they hear how we feel the more chance there is that this will become important to them.

 

[butwhatif?]

Does anyone know the exact date that Chris was released from hospital?

Both articles are now saying the new witness claims to have seen him outside the unit the night that Kiesha went missing.

I always have to wonder in these cases why the heck it takes these witnesses so long to come forward. Are they living in a bubble?

Police were investigating new information that Mr Weippeart was outside his daughter's Woodstock Ave home on the night she went missing.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...ce-question-time/story-e6frf7l6-1225912129338

Both articles say the exact same thing:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ha-question-time/story-e6freuzi-1225912077464

I'd really like to know what time of night the witness thinks he/she saw him there.

I would imagine that looking at pings won't be as easy as it would seem to confirm where each player was at time, since they all live so close together and could all be pinging from the same towers.

If Chris was involved in any way, I believe it would be because he was trying to protect his daughter from Rob and Kristi, and the inaction of authorities.

But I still don't believe he's capable of even that since he seems to rely on his mum for so much, and because of his illness, surgery etc. And why would they be begging for the investigation to continue if they knew that Chris played a role? Makes zero sense.

IMO, it has to be Rob, Kristi, their family members or friends responsible for Kieshas disappearance.

One good thing that could come of Rob and Kristi leaving for Canberra, is that the locals may feel less intimidated about talking to police about what they know.

A whole month now...possibly longer, with no sign of kiesha. Where are you baby girl?

 

[kileyizzle]

Just checking in to see how it's developing -

I am flabbergasted that the children are still in K's care especially with the circumstances and suspicious grounds of kiesha's dissapearence -

I believe wholeheartedly with what information it is safe to assume the following -

a > Kiesha's lack of school was flagged and monitored - however due to the strain on the DOC's it is more than likely that she fell through the cracks or drew a short straw and was handed on to staff with overworked case loads already. <this being IMOO>

b > The bite mark would of had to have been reported as doctors are mandated - once again i believe that this too would of been flagged at the very least identifying kiesha at the very least at risk - once again as above overworked staff

c > i'm not buying the SIDS - this has been proven time and time again to be a cover up of something more sinister <OFF TOPIC: but in recent news that lady in the UK i think it was who had several children die of "sids" but their corpses were buried around her home: She murdered them at birth >

d > To me and this IMHOO - they do sound like a low socio economic family. Having said that there is no excuse for a little girls bedroom to be as blank as that. That is neglect - right there. Even the poorest familys have toys for their children - colouring books, the things they draw are plastered on the walls of their bedrooms etc etc. You make it work.

and finally .... to end my rambles...

Why on earth would they allow somebody to continue caring for children when one is missing - raise child care payments etc etc.

It sounds like to me - someone is being played... i'm just not sure of who yet.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

On the SIDS issue....I think most of us in Australia will remember this case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Folbigg and I'm not buying it either, especially now that Kiesha has 'disappeared' under such suspicious circumstances.

I can't imagine the poor kid having such a bare bedroom, even the poorest children's rooms are usually busting with toys and decorations...it shows a lack of love, a lack of care, and a lack of sparkle in her little life.

Unbearably sad.

 

[kileyizzle]

I just wanted to add - also.

I find it hard to believe that a father whom barely sees his daughter, recently being ill and having surgery would summon up enough energy to plot something harmful to his little girl.

IMO - the recent sightings of him near her apartment - makes me wonder just how legit these 'sightings were' and just how come they are surfacing now.

stirring the pot perhaps?

 

[butwhatif?]

On the SIDS issue....I think most of us in Australia will remember this case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Folbigg and I'm not buying it either, especially now that Kiesha has 'disappeared' under such suspicious circumstances.

I can't imagine the poor kid having such a bare bedroom, even the poorest children's rooms are usually busting with toys and decorations...it shows a lack of love, a lack of care, and a lack of sparkle in her little life.

Unbearably sad.

The reason I don't buy the SIDs thing is because the baby was fine for 6 weeks at chris' mums place, then suddenly died three days after returning to their own unit, where Kristi would (should) have been the primary caregiver.

As for Kiesha's bedroom , we have a single income family, and are on an extremely tight budget.
I'm happy to admit that I have purchased plenty of super cheap items from vinnies, salvos, ect to decorate my girls' room....and they love it.

You don't need a lot of cash to add that sparkle.

I keep picturing Kiesha in that bare bedroom, day after day, since she wasn't at school, and wonder what she might have spent that time doing. Seems like such a miserable existence for such a beautiful young child.

And yet there is still so much more that went on in her life that we aren't allowed to know about for legal reasons.

 

[kileyizzle]

I'm personally starting to wonder if the details are being held on grounds of it's too graphic to disclose to the general public - this wouldn't be the first time

speculation only at this point - but the mind does wander...

just an interesting side note - concerning the SIDS and that they were known substance abusers : it could be possible that may have had an helping hand in that tragedy.

 

[darnudes]

Kiesha's dad covers up for police question time
August 31, 2010 4:01AM

# Kiesha's father covered up for media
# Appeared at station for questioning
# Girl's father not considered a suspect

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...ce-question-time/story-e6frf7l6-1225912129338

 

[butwhatif?]

Per FB, one of Chris' neighbours saw him after his surgery and had thought he had broken his leg, because of the way he was hobbling around, and was bandaged up, looking like a plaster cast. (this post was when the FB group had just started up).

I wonder if the new witness described him as limping or anything, and if this person actually knows Chris?

 

[butwhatif?]

Kiesha's dad covers up for police question time
August 31, 2010 4:01AM

# Kiesha's father covered up for media
# Appeared at station for questioning
# Girl's father not considered a suspect

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...ce-question-time/story-e6frf7l6-1225912129338

IMO, under the circumstances, Chris and Liz wearing their hoodies after being taken to the police station for questioning, just doesn't compare with the face sheilding that Kristi has done.

I suspect that the police officers suggested it, since they were escorted there by the police, and the police had them leave through the back exit.

But that's JMO

 

[darnudes]

IMO, under the circumstances, Chris and Liz wearing their hoodies after being taken to the police station for questioning, just doesn't compare with the face sheilding that Kristi has done.

I suspect that the police officers suggested it, since they were escorted there by the police, and the police had them leave through the back exit.

But that's JMO

Agreed, we're on the same page here, added to that, the police are not calling him a suspect.

Chris is certainly not "father of the year" material but I just don't think he's involved. The only shady behaviour I've seen has come from Kristi, her family and the step father.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

IMO, under the circumstances, Chris and Liz wearing their hoodies after being taken to the police station for questioning, just doesn't compare with the face sheilding that Kristi has done.

I suspect that the police officers suggested it, since they were escorted there by the police, and the police had them leave through the back exit.

But that's JMO

Funny you should say that, I was watching Crime Investigation Australia last night, and the police actually did suggest that to a suspect as he left the police station after questioning so as to avoid being photographed by the media.

I think the story about Chris being near the apartment the day after his surgery is a rumour being sent around to try and throw some suspicion on him, but that is pure speculation and just my opinion.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

The reason I don't buy the SIDs thing is because the baby was fine for 6 weeks at chris' mums place, then suddenly died three days after returning to their own unit, where Kristi would (should) have been the primary caregiver.

As for Kiesha's bedroom , we have a single income family, and are on an extremely tight budget.
I'm happy to admit that I have purchased plenty of super cheap items from vinnies, salvos, ect to decorate my girls' room....and they love it.

You don't need a lot of cash to add that sparkle.

I keep picturing Kiesha in that bare bedroom, day after day, since she wasn't at school, and wonder what she might have spent that time doing. Seems like such a miserable existence for such a beautiful young child.

And yet there is still so much more that went on in her life that we aren't allowed to know about for legal reasons.

You know what....EXACTLY! When my twin neices were born, my sister was only 19 and I was 20 and let me tell you we had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. But I went to Vinnies and bought clothes and toys for them with every single bit of spare change I had, and their father who was only an apprentice mechanic at the time got 'crafty' down the shed, and by the time they were born that room was well and truly sorted. No way is money a barrier to decorating a kids bedroom, it's about how much effort you want to put in (and you know we loved every second of it).

It's so unfair that some kids get such a rough start in life, or worse, no chance at life at all.

 

[Crosby87]

< respectfully snipped BM>

a > Kiesha's lack of school was flagged and monitored - however due to the strain on the DOC's it is more than likely that she fell through the cracks or drew a short straw and was handed on to staff with overworked case loads already. <this being IMOO>

b > The bite mark would of had to have been reported as doctors are mandated - once again i believe that this too would of been flagged at the very least identifying kiesha at the very least at risk - once again as above overworked staff
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Social workers are trained to respond to children and families in crisis and the fact they could not find the time to pick up the phone and make 1 phone call to Kiesha&#8217;s mother after hearing Kiesha had only attended school for 5 days is very disturbing. If the worker had opened Kiesha&#8217;s file, they would have known Kiesha was removed from her mother's care after she was ferociously bitten by her mother when she was a helpless child. This should have sent an alarm off in their heads but they chose to ignore it. Social workers have to be able to set priorities and respond to these types of situations immediately. If they had found the time to make 1 phone call to Kiesha&#8217;s home, they might have made a difference, and even saved Kiesha&#8217;s life.

 

[gaia227]

I am not entirely familiar with the DOC in Australia however from what I have read it seems like they have many of the same issues we have in the U.S so my opinion is based on those similaries I have seen. The DOC is unfortunately so under-funded that case workers have dozens of cases they are supposed to keep up on and children like Kiesha fall through the cracks as a result. I am not making excuses for the continued oversightes we see all the time regarding children who are bad situations but saying the problem is larger than just one social worker not being more diligent. I don't know if it an issue of choosing to ignore the situation as it is not even recognizing there is a situation to begin with. The whole system needs to be revamped and properly funded. It is sad and discouraging this is not a top priority of state and/or federal government and judging on past history of apathy dotted with righteous proclaimations of reformation after a child's life is lost which quickly die out once it is not front page news anymore and the system continues to remain broken.

Here is to hoping Kiesha is not one of these children and this story has a rare happy ending.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Yes DoCS is tragically underfunded in Australia, as are most child welfare organisations around the world. We have a state election coming up in New South Wales, with a change in government likely, but I don't see any major changes coming about with that, the fact that this story has gone quiet and there is a lack of public outrage bothers me, I think when a problem seems to difficult to solve people tend to look away so they don't have to face it.

It's strange isn't it, you need a licence to drive a car or even go fishing, but raising children, just go ahead, see how you go with it, here's 3 grand to get you started, let us know if you have any issues with that. So sad.

 

[Aussie Gal]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...es-harsh-cruelty/story-e6freuzi-1225900823458

This is the article that first mentioned the bite mark.
The thing that concerns me is the sentence that I have put in bold...


The injury suffered by the pretty blue-eyed girl was yesterday described by a source as a "significant bite wound".

It has also emerged that Kiesha was known to numerous government departments, such as education and health.

But most of the harrowing details of her life cannot be reported for legal reasons.

 

[butwhatif?]

Yes DoCS is tragically underfunded in Australia, as are most child welfare organisations around the world. We have a state election coming up in New South Wales, with a change in government likely, but I don't see any major changes coming about with that, the fact that this story has gone quiet and there is a lack of public outrage bothers me, I think when a problem seems to difficult to solve people tend to look away so they don't have to face it.

It's strange isn't it, you need a licence to drive a car or even go fishing, but raising children, just go ahead, see how you go with it, here's 3 grand to get you started, let us know if you have any issues with that. So sad.

BBM- for those of you not in Oz, I think Mrs G is referring to the 'baby bonus' that we parents get here from the gvt when you have a baby to help get you started for any baby- related items.

IIRC, the baby bonus came in just after I had my first who is 6 1/2 now. So not sure if Kristi and Chris would have gotten that money for Kiesha.
But Kristi definately would have gotten it for the younger two.

ETA: And the election is definately taking up a lot of media air-time here.