Australia Australia - Marion Barter, 51, missing after trip to UK, June 1997 #6

[KiwiNZ]

When was that conviction? I don't think he would get away with it these days.

I am going back through the file again, honesty this guy couldn't lie straight in bed, what an absolute dog, how he has managed to stay in Aus is beyond me. Even in the notes they realize he is coming and going on different passports so cant seem to track him. Still they issue him citizenship (?)

31 May 1977 - was the conviction for importing Black Lebanese Hashish

 

[Estelle]

When you look at the actual passenger cards, he and his first wife traveled same day. There seems to be a mis-type of date from the actual records. It also seems like she was approved to travel before they got married. Around that time (1969) he is was committing crimes he was later charged with. I wonder getting married helped him travel more easily to Australia (wife already approved) with goal of evading charges? Just an idea.

Thanks for the correction. Yes our society used to assume (and sometimes still does) that married people are more trustworthy and respectable. Could she have made the application for residence and, as her partner, he automatically got it too? As I said before - a marriage of convenience - but it seems for his convenience - not hers - as I suggested earlier. ALL IMO

 

[Estelle]

I am going back through the file again, honesty this guy couldn't lie straight in bed, what an absolute dog, how he has managed to stay in Aus is beyond me. Even in the notes they realize he is coming and going on different passports so cant seem to track him. Still they issue him citizenship (?)

31 May 1977 - was the conviction for importing Black Lebanese Hashish

It's going to be interesting to see if he will ever be deported or end up in jail for any of his alleged crimes. ALL IMO

 

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Can anyone locate this "ye old passy" - it is also an address he used

Passy is an area of Paris, France, located in the 16th arrondissement, on the Right Bank. It is home to many of the city's wealthiest residents.

Passy was a commune on the outskirts of Paris. In 1658, hot springs were discovered around which spa facilities were developed. This attracted Parisian society and English visitors, some of whom made the area, which combined attractive countryside with both modest houses and fine residences, their winter retreat. The population was 2,400 in 1836, 4,545 in 1841, but larger in summer. In 1861 the population was 11,431. Passy's population was 17,594 when it was absorbed into Paris along with several other communities in 1860.[1]

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maybe a reference to the original ideal of the Ye old passy imo

but what was the thingy he was accused of forging again ? a Name plate ?


Passy is an area of Paris, France, located in the 16th arrondissement, on the Right Bank. It is home to many of the city's wealthiest residents.

Passy was a commune on the outskirts of Paris. In 1658, hot springs were discovered around which spa facilities were developed. This attracted Parisian society and English visitors, some of whom made the area, which combined attractive countryside with both modest houses and fine residences, their winter retreat. The population was 2,400 in 1836, 4,545 in 1841, but larger in summer. In 1861 the population was 11,431. Passy's population was 17,594 when it was absorbed into Paris along with several other communities in 1860.[1]

oops

 

[Belleandsebastian]

It's going to be interesting to see if he will ever be deported or end up in jail for any of his alleged crimes. ALL IMO

They have deported people for less! He could very well get sent back to Belgium (?) after all this is over if there’s not enough evidence to charge him.

 

[MrsWattle]

DNA test will help to determine his true identity

 

[MrsWattle]

DNA test sample to see if his matches to any unsolved crimes

 

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Yes I find that strange too. If a man is my partner, I would insist that we travel together. In that respect, he has tried to leave no traces even to the extent of departing using one passport and returning using another and Marion knew him by even another name. I guess his travel companion might see that he is using different names when they go through Passport Control so he pretends that he has to go on a different flight earlier as he has to do business first which would be boring for them.


ALL IMO

Also i think it cannot be shown he has left Australia as the archives notes suggest that he didnt leave as him if that makes sense ....quite a juggler to have to evade authorities but obviously he was not perfect at it because he did spend time in jail and was caught many times but not here it seems

 

[Estelle]

They have deported people for less! He could very well get sent back to Belgium (?) after all this is over if there’s not enough evidence to charge him.

If he lasts long enough as he's 83yo. But I suspect he is in good health as JO said he didn't smoke or drink so he could live until he's 100yo. Remember Ginette telling us that he cooked her a meal so I predict that he has looked after himself over the years?

 

[Estelle]

Also i think it cannot be shown he has left Australia as the archives notes suggest that he didnt leave as him if that makes sense ....quite a juggler to have to evade authorities but obviously he was not perfect at it because he did spend time in jail and was caught many times but not here it seems

That was when he was younger and overseas. It appears he has improved his strategies to avoid detection in Australia and has no criminal record here (yet?). So far it seems here that he changed to preying on vulnerable financially independent divorced women born in the 1940s. IMO

 

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British Dict
Fré·dé·rick [frey-dey-reek], 1822–1912, French economist and statesman: Nobel Peace Prize 1901.
his son, Paul É·douard [pawl ey-dwar], 1859–1940, French phonetician.
ionary definitions for Passy

Passy
/ (French pasi) /
noun
Frédéric (frederik). 1822–1912, French politician and economist, who campaigned for international arbitration to prevent war: shared the first Nobel peace prize 1901

 

[StarrChance]

I became confused there thinking that IW on the ABN website was RB's first wife but it was her daughter apparently. Was RB the father? IW died very young.

Yes ER is the daughter of Ilona, a MJR is the father. There is also a son CR.

 

[StarrChance]

Wow, she died young. A year before his son with second wife was born. I hope there was nothing suspicious about her death... hopefully the police are looking into it.

I downloaded the death certificate

Ilona died age 31
cause of death Mycardial ischaemia (heart)

I find this unusual

The Coroner at Melbourne Mr H.W. Pascoe ordered burial of the body without inquest.

Born Budapest, Hungary
Period of residence in Australia 2 years

Married in Budapest Hungary
Age 23 years
To MJR

Child 7 years
Child 5 years

 

[Eyespywithmylittleeye]

I've been searching Ancestry for WW. Can't find any record of him or his parents so far?

National Archives… you will find 175 pages with parents names

 

[Belleandsebastian]

I’m lost, who is MJR?

I downloaded the death certificate

Ilona died age 31
cause of death Mycardial ischaemia (heart)

I find this unusual

The Coroner at Melbourne Mr H.W. Pascoe ordered burial of the body without inquest.

Born Budapest, Hungary
Period of residence in Australia 2 years

Married in Budapest Hungary
Age 23 years
To MJR

Child 7 years
Child 5 years

 

[Carovb5]

According to the NAA documents, it’s Willy Wouter. He may have also used his mothers maiden name which starts with C and is in that document. There’s quite a list of aliases in the NAA document.

Don’t know if it’s any help, but i’m from Belgium, and ‘Wouters’, with an ‘s’ is a common name in Belgium. So there’s a good chance it was written that way. Maybe that helps when looking that alias up…

 

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Secret Wedding Events - Tamborine, Австралия

Some one was looking at this street ?

This fascinating considering ....The twists and turns are endless

 

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I’m lost, who is MJR?

You and me both ... She may have married later but its not adding up , i think a time line is needed with branches haha

 

[Belleandsebastian]

You and me both ... She may have married later but its not adding up , i think a time line is needed with branches haha

Yes... I’m wondering if the kids were his. Even if they weren’t, maybe they should be interviewed too as they might know something that could help.