Australia Australia - Marion Barter - Missing After Trip to UK - June 1997 #23

[mishy66]

How would this theory fit with some of what we already know?

KNOWN ~ Marion acquires a new passport under her MB name mid 1996. So she is already thinking of heading OS the following year herself. Long before AH arrives on the scene.

MAYBE ~ She inquires about investing her money should she put her house up for sale and the bank manager suggests a property investment scheme, like Trendwest, whose headquarters is not far from where she lives.
In her initial discussion with one of their salesmen, she is asked to fill out her details and they will get back to her.

KNOWN ~ Mid 1996 she has her purse stolen from the front seat of her car which was parked at her home. The CC was later used at a service station by a woman looking just like Marion at the time.

MAYBE ~ A salesman working at Trendwest and using the name Remakel (known from police tip hotline) removes from his home filing cabinet, the name of next victim and makes a visit to her home to give her advice about investing in Trendwest but sees her purse on the car seat and takes that instead.

KNOWN ~ Feb 1997 MB meets up with AH at the GC Arts centre

 

[Ooohm]

Right. So the connection to Trendwest was initially made when *someone* (was it a tip?) who presumably worked there, said they remembered the name Remakel. As a client or employee I don’t know. I’d say more likely as an employee. Because if we’re talking about Ric Blum then working for Trendwest would allow him to know which properties were empty and when. He also would be unlikely to buy into their schemes knowing a bad deal when he sees it.

 

[Ooohm]

Although it could be he plunked down stolen money for a couple of timeshares. That would give him a place to go which suited to his erratic travel schedule.

They aren’t lucrative. You can’t sell the properties. You could sell your share but apparently that’s not easy and you would likely lose money on the deal. However, it just occurred to me that it’s a dandy way to wash money.

I agree Mishy that he and his family have properties all over Southeast Queensland and Northern New South Wales, perhaps under names like Chusan Family Trust etc.

IF Marion came back to Australia maybe she stayed in one of the older more remote properties.

 

[mishy66]

Right. So the connection to Trendwest was initially made when *someone* (was it a tip?) who presumably worked there, said they remembered the name Remakel. As a client or employee I don’t know. I’d say more likely as an employee. Because if we’re talking about Ric Blum then working for Trendwest would allow him to know which properties were empty and when. He also would be unlikely to buy into their schemes knowing a bad deal when he sees it.

In the podcast it says it was a woman working in payroll at TW, who called in and said she remembered the name and it was in early 2000's that she remembered the name

So IF she really did remember that name accurately and is saying a person with that name worked at TW in early 2000's then that throws out my theory that he was working there late 90s when perhaps M looked into it.

We do know he did work at various jobs - that suited his needs eg - In 1999 the mailroom in the NSW Coin & Stamp Auction Business under the name Richard West.

1999 - fast exit from SI auction house and fast foots it to another job at TW ? Makes sense to me. Always after a mailing list for his BIG filing cabinet!

And the book says ( if you believe it - I am now thinking that RB must have put up some royalty for that book given it almost is as fictitious as he is! ) - he repaired sewing machines ( remembering that previous advert about liquidation sale now makes sense), he was a security guard ( hello NSW bank call in regard to Marion!!! ), and photographer in Belgium and Aust (wonder HOW MANY people paid up front and are still waiting for their photographs! )

 

[mishy66]

he and his family have properties all over Southeast Queensland and Northern New South Wales, perhaps under names like Chusan Family Trust etc.

IF Marion came back to Australia maybe she stayed in one of the older more remote properties.

I like it - totally possible if she did return to Aust

What about a trust under RW Family with maybe his brochure company business from way back

 

[mishy66]

ADDING THE PASSPORTS TO THE NAMES AND A FEW MORE NAMES I HAD ON MY LIST

Anthony Grech - July 1951


Atilla Dupont - date unknown


Bernard Dupont - March 1944


Charles Guyon - April 1947


Christopher Du Pont - March 1944


Christopher Stein - March 1944


David Freddy - February 1937 and June 1932


Fernand Nocolas Remakel - December 1947


Francis David De Hedervary - 9 July 1939 - AH real birthdate


Franck Melan - September 1938


Freddy David- June 1942 - (also used Ricky)


Frederick David De Hedervary - 9 July 1939 - AH real birthdate - HIS 1ST Australian Passport
- travelled on that name in and out of Aust numerous times
THEN 2nd and 3rd AND 4TH RE-ISSUED PASSPORTS

1986 RETURNS TO AUSTRALIA AFTER LIVING OS WITH DIANE

***Newspaper report that he was OS when the Brabant offences occurred living in Luxembourg & Burwash. One of the earliest Brabant offences was the theft of automatic weapons from the Gendarmerie barracks at Etterbeek in 1981.
1986 = Travel records show he had been in Australia but left for overseas 27 days before the barracks burglary.
He does not appear to have been in Australia at the time of any known Brabant offences.
In 1986, when the Brabant offences stopped, he moved back to Australia to live permanently.


Frederick De Hedervaru- AH real birthdate


Frederick De Hedervary - MAY 2002 AUST PASSPORT NUMBER 8
(Also uses Ricky with family) and HedervEry on electrol Roll - AH real birthdate


Frederique / Frederike De-Haverdary - AH real birthdate


Gaetan Le Boursicot - October 1939


Guy Divio - 1 January 1901 ( WTActual ? This has to be a typo surely??!)


Philippe Dint - March 1937


Remy Lajoy - September 1938


Ric Blum- AH birthdate = AUST PASSPORT NUMBER 10


Rich Richard - AH BIRTHDATE - 7TH AUST PASSPORT - ISSUED IN AUSTRALIA FOR TRAVEL NOVEMBER 1999


Richard Lloyd West - 5TH PASSPORT ISSUED 1987 - AH BIRTHDATE
CHANGED TO THIS NAME AFTER 1986 WHEN HE RETURNS WITH WIFE FROM UK AND EUROPE


Richard Lloyd Westbury - 6th AUST PASSPORT - OBTAINED IN 1992 - AH BIRTHDATE


Rick Richard - as above


Rick West - as above


Roger Lazoney / Lauzoney - February 1945


Will / Willy Coppenolle - AH real birthdate


Willy David Coppenolle. - AH real birthdate - AUST PASSPORT NUMBER 9 IN 2011
(HAS THIS NAME LISTED ON A PHONE NUMBER = WILL DAVID COPPENOLLE)


Willy Wouters - BELGIUM issued passport NUMBER ONE - AH real birthdate = he has ONLY used this name once coming into Australia AND changed his name back to this in 1989


Wouters Willy - AH real birthdate


* MB FB page has also said he used De Hedervay - without the last R


Then theres :

David Coppenolle - THE NEIGHBOUR SAYS THIS NAME IN ANOTHER PASSPORT APPLICATION


Ricky David


Willy BOUTEN - from Monique


Chaim Frederick David DEHEDERVARY - Drivers License


Chaim DE HEDERVARY


Chaim Frederick DAVID


Chaim David


Zabdiel Zillig - from Inquest

Fleming - LAST NAME - from NAA

Wilson - LAST NAME

Chusan - FIRST NAME

Sorry to be all over the place but looking at those Aliases West / Westbury / Remakel again.

We know he has a collection of aliases - "handy filing cabinets " come to mind.
MC mentions she saw many of them when he 'dug them up' and one of his victims JO, also notices his other aliases

He stole the FR ID back in the 1980s and holds onto that to fleece MB mid 1990s

Definitely a pattern of longevity when using aliases - up to a decade even


Richard Lloyd West - 5TH PASSPORT ISSUED 1987
CHANGED TO THIS NAME AFTER 1986 WHEN HE RETURNS WITH WIFE FROM UK AND EUROPE

October 1991 - travelled on RICHARD LLOYD WEST passport - away 14 days - this is 1 year after MC dies *KNOCK KNOCK family I am here for my inheritance and coins please*
and then in 1999 - Under the identity of Richard West he is working at Status International


December 1989 - Another Deed Poll name change from F deH back to Willy Wouters - 20 years since he had used his WW name - getting ready for another sting

1990 - 1992 - high tailed it to Tasmania using deH name

Richard Lloyd Westbury - 6th AUST PASSPORT - OBTAINED IN 1992 - 10 trips on this PP - cancelled the same day as Rich Richard
1992 - Marias Sister dies and he attends funeral where his future victim CL also attends


1992 - October - renews his FNR license - Advert placed Feb 1994

1998 - GGB next victim - knew him as FdeH

Rich Richard - 7TH AUST PASSPORT - ISSUED IN AUSTRALIA FOR TRAVEL NOVEMBER 1999
1999
July 27 - Opens safety deposit box Comm Bank Ballina
October 20 - New name Rich Richard
October 27- Passport application for Rich Richard
November 4: Passport issued under the name Rich Richard.
A passport under the name Richard Lloyd Westbury is cancelled the same day (HIS 6TH PP)
FLEECES JO - who knew him as Ric West and Rich Richard and Richard Lloyd Westbury



* Diane DeH testifies she also knew that he used the name Ric West and Richard Lloyd Westbury - so she knew him as W Wouters, Fredy David, F David deH / Ricky deH, Ric West, Richard Westbury, Willy /Will David Coppenolle, Ric / Ricky Blum, met the real Remakels and stayed with AH Belgium "family" when they married- ( but she knows nothing right?? )


2011 Willy David Coppenolle - AUST PASSPORT NUMBER 9 - Birth Name
2011 - DAUGHTERS WEDDING IN BALI
2012 - RC wife dies Nov 2012 in Belgium
2012 - March Last trip to Europe and scams CL - this is when the neighbours say both him and Diane had left for 2 weeks and their cat was left with no food or water.
2012 - April - reports he was bashed and robbed of $50 000Euro in a shopping centre on GC - probably lost it all at the Casino
2013 - AUG - Safety Deposit Box opened at Broadbeach in name of WILLY COPPENOLLE - Closes it March 2016

Ric Blum- AH birthdate = AUST PASSPORT NUMBER 10 - changes his name from Willy David Coppenolle to Blum in 2014

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[*juniper*]

And in my opinion, it has been hastily put together to recoup some coin.

Why they didnt wait until SL found more info after her OS trip, is beyond me.

@mishy66 I think you are correct that The Lady Vanishes book was put together quickly. Sally’s website shows she is now represented by Harry M Miller, so maybe the TLV team were working to a deadline? (ETA - the book is available for $22 from a discount department store.)

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Thanks Mishy. Good to be back catching up on all the posts. My way of thinking is that every extended trip to Europe involved a victim and the short trips some financial dealing. The passport/name changes you list even now still blow your mind and yet nobody seemingly handing him these documents ever seem to question it.

NSW Police discovered Aka was the false FR as far back as Oct 2020 and yet here we are now in 2024 and still no sign of him being arrested. Surely he should have been brought in for questioning again following the inquest?

I know it’s tricky in Belgium due to the language differences but this story should be told on its major broadcasting channels. At the end of the day he is Belgian (saying that I still think he’s Hungarian and won’t let it go!) so this bizarre story should interest them.

 

[CuriousKat99]

I like it - totally possible if she did return to Aust

What about a trust under RW Family with maybe his brochure company business from way back

If it’s true that the money from the victims has been stashed into property like that, surely the police should have got a forensic accountant onto it already? Property records in Australia are fairly easy to obtain and are kept for a lot longer than 7 years.

Property in Australia certainly is a lucrative investment. With multiple properties, it provides a tax advantage to spread them out into different states to avoid land tax. Also spreading ownership around various family members (like your adult offspring) or in trusts significantly reduces tax liability.

 

[mishy66]

If it’s true that the money from the victims has been stashed into property like that, surely the police should have got a forensic accountant onto it already? Property records in Australia are fairly easy to obtain and are kept for a lot longer than 7 years.

Property in Australia certainly is a lucrative investment. With multiple properties, it provides a tax advantage to spread them out into different states to avoid land tax. Also spreading ownership around various family members (like your adult offspring) or in trusts significantly reduces tax liability.

Agree

But as we have seen with this case, the police are in no hurry to investigate anything to do with him - the NSW police have had 55 yrs to investigate him from the day he set foot in Australia and have done sweet nothing.
IF the authorities had have done their job back in the 60's - 80's then we wouldn't be where we are today.

When you have the likes of KB blaming a victims daughter at an inquest, what chance do any of us have if a member of our family go missing.???

I'm still reading about cases this year with women going missing and police not even listing them as missing persons.
Until there is a Parliamentary Inquiry into the handing of missing persons and the NSW police handlings in particular, criminals like Blum will continue to get away with murder. JMO

 

[mishy66]

I know it’s tricky in Belgium due to the language differences but this story should be told on its major broadcasting channels. At the end of the day he is Belgian (saying that I still think he’s Hungarian and won’t let it go!) so this bizarre story should interest them.

Hungarian . Yep my thoughts too.

Until there is actually proof that he is the son of MC and DD as per the media and MBFB page, I too believe he is the son of RC and that of a deH woman.
He chose that name for his children when he could have chosen his Coppenolle name or any other of his aliases - WHY!? WHY use such a highly respected name, connected to a woman who he had used yrs later to get the kids teeth fixed. It is beyond bizarre. Brazen.
CdeH studied at the University just near Tournai and worked with the underground resistance in Belgium, just like RC.
In 1961, in her letter of leave from Geneva to NYC, she requests a stop over to Brussels and offers to pay the extra expense of that side trip herself.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Kinczel family knew the deH families - Her family owning a factory in Hungary making fine china and IK father a sculptor, as per their travel documents on NAA.

JMO

 

[Carovb5]

Thanks Mishy. Good to be back catching up on all the posts. My way of thinking is that every extended trip to Europe involved a victim and the short trips some financial dealing. The passport/name changes you list even now still blow your mind and yet nobody seemingly handing him these documents ever seem to question it.

NSW Police discovered Aka was the false FR as far back as Oct 2020 and yet here we are now in 2024 and still no sign of him being arrested. Surely he should have been brought in for questioning again following the inquest?

I know it’s tricky in Belgium due to the language differences but this story should be told on its major broadcasting channels. At the end of the day he is Belgian (saying that I still think he’s Hungarian and won’t let it go!) so this bizarre story should interest them.

I tried, in Belgium, i really did. One of the biggest crime reporters of Belgium told me he would look into it but nothing happened. A newspaper did, but it was more of a translation of existing info, not really an investigation. It’s sad, i really believe it would uncover much much more

 

[mishy66]

I tried, in Belgium, i really did. One of the biggest crime reporters of Belgium told me he would look into it but nothing happened. A newspaper did, but it was more of a translation of existing info, not really an investigation. It’s sad, i really believe it would uncover much much more

IMO he is protected somehow by the "establishment " eg the gendarmerie, the government. They kicked him out of Belgium but turned a blind eye to his misdemeanours. He was protected IMO. But why. The newspapers wont do a full story on him or investigate his criminal past even now. Why?
RC in his day was close friends with people in the Government if you look at his documents. And one of those people are closely related to the Coppenolles still today.
Who is RB?
What other lifelong criminal can get away with so much in a small place like Belgium ? If everyday people not even in that country can find so much on him, WHY are these establishments turning a blind eye???

Is he related to someone so highly respected that they turn a blind eye to him and his victims???
How much is a victims life worth???
This case is like no other. He is connected to someone and is protected IMO

Even ASIO here had him pegged and did sweet **all

The journalists from Lux were the only ones digging up his skeletons and even that wasn't enough for the Belgium newspapers to pick up !

 

[mishy66]

Names that keep popping up for me in this case.
Economos friend to JW and by the looks in the book close friend of MB, George Yardley JW "friend" and soccer player both playing in NSW for Budapest St George, and the name deHedervary
Odd combination

 

[mishy66]

44 years ago

Just imagine if the Australian Federal Police and ASIO had have done their job back in the 70's

NAA open documents

 

[mishy66]

Just going back over the time D Walker mets him and up to the years 1977/ 78 to get some perspective

She says she met him on the Chusan 1971

What was his name when you met him in 1971
D: Willy Wouters
He introduced himself as WW but I called him Ric, I liked it better than Willy.
He was on his own on the ship.

D: He changed his name to deH because it was his true family name and his other family adopted him and then he was called WW. Maria was his aunt and she married Andre Wouters.

Are you sure it's not Abdiel* Florent Wouters
D:YES

Do you know the name Abel, Florent or Albert Wouters
D: NO

D: His mothers name I don't know
His family was in Belgium, he had 2 cousins. I met them when we got married.


D: We married in 1976 - I always called him Ric

Even when you knew him name as WW

D: Yes I always called him Ric - he changed his name over.
When we got married we went to Europe and he worked with his family in Belgium and then he ran the Luxembourg business.

MARRIAGE : February 1976 Wayside Chapel Kings Cross

28 July 1976 they both left Australia for Luxembourg - stating away for 9 months
Inquest: P cards filled out by him - going through immigration he states "there is a bench with pens and I fill out both cards"

1976 -He is arrested in Wiltz Luxembourg using alias R Lauzoney - also has his FdeH PP on him. Sentenced to 1 yr. ( doubt that happened)

From Oct 1976 to May 1977 he goes on a money and goods shopping spree stealing everything he can lay his hands on under the aliases of Lauzoney and Dupont and publicly using the names WILSON and FLEMING

From 1 Sept 1976 and 31 March 1977 France , he was found with a forged die carrying the inscription 'Ye Old Passy, Australia Tamborine Queensland

16 MARCH 1977 - FdeH is back into Australia - leaving from England - Photographer - uses address Towns Road Vaucluse - says he has been absent from Australia for 8 months

22 MARCH 1977 - FdeH departs Australia for Belgium - Photographer - says he will be away 7 months
What was he up to for 5 days - must have been important to him because he was a wanted man at this stage - running from the heat of the law? collecting a new ID from his filing cabinet?


1977 Electoral Roll shows they were living at 1/303 Old South West Road, Bondi. He is listed as an artist and Diane as a secretary.

1977 - MAY - arrested for 3 grams of Lebanese hashish

1977 - MAY - The family furniture company established
1977 - JUNE - FdeH resigns ( syphons the coin out)

March 1978 - Arrested Tournai sentenced to 3 yrs


High tails it back to Australia
13 August 1978 - both he and Diane are back in Australia - 5 / 48 Towns Road Vaucluse - been away 2 years

Can't return to Belgium / France because of his outstanding sentences.

* Diane knows nothing*

 

[mishy66]

DP

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I tried, in Belgium, i really did. One of the biggest crime reporters of Belgium told me he would look into it but nothing happened. A newspaper did, but it was more of a translation of existing info, not really an investigation. It’s sad, i really believe it would uncover much much more

Thanks Carovb. It’s amazing as this guy could be one of the most prolific criminals ever to come out of Belgium. And his background story could be a lot darker than we already know. IMHO there are a number of other victims in Belgium and at least 1 who sadly met the same fate as Marion.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

IMO he is protected somehow by the "establishment " eg the gendarmerie, the government. They kicked him out of Belgium but turned a blind eye to his misdemeanours. He was protected IMO. But why. The newspapers wont do a full story on him or investigate his criminal past even now. Why?
RC in his day was close friends with people in the Government if you look at his documents. And one of those people are closely related to the Coppenolles still today.
Who is RB?
What other lifelong criminal can get away with so much in a small place like Belgium ? If everyday people not even in that country can find so much on him, WHY are these establishments turning a blind eye???

Is he related to someone so highly respected that they turn a blind eye to him and his victims???
How much is a victims life worth???
This case is like no other. He is connected to someone and is protected IMO

Even ASIO here had him pegged and did sweet **all

The journalists from Lux were the only ones digging up his skeletons and even that wasn't enough for the Belgium newspapers to pick up !

As with the Brabant Gang killers there appears to be an unwillingness to expose the culprits in Belgium. It beggars belief nobody was found and convicted of those crimes. It does have the feel of an establishment cover up.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

44 years ago

Just imagine if the Australian Federal Police and ASIO had have done their job back in the 70's

NAA open documents

It is utterly astonishing when you read this document. Interpol after him too and still nothing? Do we have his Interview Report?