GUILTY Australia - Morgan Huxley, 31, stabbed to death, Neutral Bay, NSW, 8 Sept 2013 #3

[sosocurious]

Sgt Moon told the jury that "was a definate demarkation between the colouring of the bag " suggesting it had been cleaned.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...eized-court-told/story-fni0cx12-1227256803092

 

[Ausgirl]

Alleged killer most likely to have been wearing a shoulder bag at the time of the stabbing, court hears

Detective Sergeant Gregory Moon from the Forensic Services Group told the jury he considered a range of scenarios based on all the information before him.

They included the bag being put on the bed or the floor or brushing up against blood that was already on the wall or other surfaces.

Sergeant Moon said "the wearing of the bag was the highest probability".

Sergeant Moon said this was based on the large number of relatively shallow stab wounds which would not have created a large amount of projected blood.

He also considered the possibility that Mr Huxley was stabbed by someone else.

He said Kelsall would have to have been very close by for that to have happened.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/265...-bag-at-the-time-of-the-stabbing-court-hears/

"I can't rule that out but I don't think that would be a high probability of occurring," he said.

 

[sarahlund]

This is also confusing me - the changing story. I also don't believe him running as he was cold (Morgan although inebriated was in a t-shirt and no shoes) and then justifying taking a longer route home and stopping to look at items on the side of the road (if he was that cold he ran along Military Road).

 

[Ausgirl]

MORGAN Huxley described his ex girlfriend as “a psycho” to his best friend and complained that she had turned up unannounced at his house, a court has heard today.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...sydney-continues/story-fni0cx12-1227257112121

:facepalm:

 

[fruity]

Isn't he denying being in the apartment at all, though? I thought he was claiming he went right home and to sleep after work, taking a longer route home (that just happened to coincide with Morgan's).

No, he is saying that he had a consensual sexual encounter. That's what tipped the police off about him in the first place. They had interviewed him and then about a week later he went to the police again to say they had the encounter. My guess is that he saw in the media that they had dna and DJK wanted to explain why his DNA was in the room.

I'm on my phone - I will be back to edit links in, but some of that info is in the links I put into the timeline post.

http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/stabbing-ac...l-says-boss-20131014-2vix7.html#ixzz2hlKQgFpb

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/...ad-his-last-beer/story-e6frg6n6-1226739920271

The Daily Telegraph can reveal that Kelsall had already been interviewed by police, days before he contacted them to say he had engaged in sexual activity with Huxley the night of the fatal stabbing.

Police sources said Kelsall was "tagged and released", but earmarked for further questioning, after they initially spoke to him about Mr Huxley's killing.

Detectives first spoke with Kelsall about a week before he was arrested and charged with murder, after he had been captured on CCTV running along behind Mr Huxley, 31, as the pair headed along Military Rd, in the early hours of September 8.

Police sources said when they first interviewed Kelsall, there were parts of his version of events from that night, which indicated to detectives he needed to be reinterviewed at a later date.

However, while detectives were continuing with their murder investigation, and before they were in a position to speak with Kelsall a second time, it will be alleged he contacted them with other details of what took place that night.

Police will allege that it was during the second time they spoke with Kelsall that he told them he and Mr Huxley had engaged in consensual sexual activity together, prior to Mr Huxley being found bleeding to death from 28 stab wounds.

 

[fruity]

The jury has been told DNA evidence, including the blood of Mr Huxley being discovered on a shoulder bag worn by Kelsall on the night of the murder, is “not in dispute” by the defence.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...eized-court-told/story-fni0cx12-1227256803092

 

[sarahlund]

I think it was season 2 of "Broadchurch" which clearly outlined defence strategy. One (as well as making clear no murder weapon found etc) is suggesting other people it could've been - it doesn't even need to be close to concrete, just the idea there could be other people with a motive (the ex-girlfriend, the work associate).

As for Daniel's parents saying he wasn't violent etc and a quiet book nerd etc, the people I know who have interviewed murderers (as lawyers and filmmakers) have said the thing which struck them most was how boring and ordinary the person was - which was backed up during the podcast "Serial" in which they noted psychopaths (i.e. charming) are rarely murderers.

I think Daniel saw Morgan struggling with the ATM clearly drunk, and once established he was alone (watching him in the Oaks from the lane) saw the opportunity to enact his fantasies. I find Daniel is a lot like Robert Durst (doco series "The Jinx") in which he tells enough of the truth to make his story seem plausible. For me, him going to Big Bear centre early in the morning on very little sleep for no reason is far more than coincidental - don't they say they always return to the scene of the crime?

 

[fruity]

This is interesting, from the same link above.

Kelsall’s counsel Christopher Watson asked Sgt Moon if that could suggest that Mr Huxley was stabbed again as he tried to get from his bed to the bedroom door.

“I don’t believe so. Taking into account (there was) lot of saturation on the pillows, he’s been there for a period of time for that to occur,” Sgt Moon replied.

obviously the defence is trying to say that there was time for someone else to go in and stab him after DJK left (but then how does that explain the 6 blood stains on the bag). It also clears up some of the time between 1.30 and 3. I thought DJK left just before 3 but perhaps he wasn't there for that long. It sounds like Morgan was unconscious for a while and then got out of bed.

 

[Ausgirl]

Ah, I think I was confused by this:

Mr McGrath said Kelsall denied following Mr Huxley home, but claimed to have noticed him on the street that night while he was walking back to the cooking school to check if he had left a light on.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-04/cleaner-on-trial-for-stabbing-murder-of-morgan-huxley/6273746

So he's saying they hooked up on the street..

 

[fruity]

They're trying to bring in the psycho homicidal girlfriend here:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...sydney-continues/story-fni0cx12-1227257112121

 

[Ausgirl]

and the angry business partner:

The court heard the dispute led to Mr Huxley, who ran his own marine business, moving out of John's jetty on Sydney Harbour.

"Did Morgan speak to you on the phone and say something like, 'John's parked my car in and I can't get out. He says he wants his generator back and he's going to call police'?"

"Yes."

The court also heard Mr Huxley had described John as a "lunatic".

Under cross-examination from Mr Kelsall's barrister, Christopher Watson, Mr Moroney agreed his friend had also been having trouble with former girlfriends, who had found out about each other.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nsw...death-murder-trial-hears-20150310-1408ll.html

 

[fruity]

His stories don't add up.

http://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-daily-telegraph-sydney/20150307/281788512525821/TextView

Combine the content from that link (and also the other link where he said he got home sometime before 3am) with the stuff I c&p'd above and they just don't work together.

Going home with Morgan at 1.30am, having a 'consensual sexual encounter', then walking home the long way and getting there at 2am? I don't think so.

I really can't work out how he is going to explain it.

 

[marlywings]

Thanks enzeder
Note to self - read more carefully.lol

Has the blood on the glasses been mentioned?

I know it sounds confusing and I'm not really making myself very clear lol but it's easier for me to get things in perspective with maps and pic's imo.

I can't recall the glasses being mentioned yet but I may have missed it.

So far it doesn't appear the blood on Kelsall's glasses has been mentioned. I wonder when prosecutor will bring that up in the trial.....and how is the defence team going to explain it away.

09/10/2013

It will also be alleged that blood was found on a pair of Mr Kelsall's prescription glasses which were found by police.

http://newsstore.fairfax.com.au/app...&cls=177&clsPage=1&docID=SMH131009I07JI5GTQ9G

 

[marlywings]

They're trying to bring in the psycho homicidal girlfriend here:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...sydney-continues/story-fni0cx12-1227257112121

So typical of majority of defence teams. Pass the blame onto the victim, confuse the jury and cast every amount of doubt into their heads whenever possible.

Baden Clay killed his wife, left her laying in mud then dragged her through mud at the trial and accused Allison of being suicidal.

Ramsaran killed his wife Jennifer, she was accused of being suicidal.

Gittany - his fiancée was a suicidal ballerina who just happened to take a giant leap over the balcony.

Even ole cowan, Daniel's killer, wasn't me your honour, someone in prison passed the info on.

On WS alone there are literally 1,000's of cases all similar to above!!

 

[SouthAussie]

So six blood stains on the bag, and likely Kelsall was wearing it, which probably means it was clean on one side and not on the other.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/26583352/murdered-man-had-problems-with-psycho-ex/

Remember the CCTV vision that police were very interested in on Clark Road? I wonder if that can help to pinpoint Kelsall’s movements to show he likely got home much later than he says.

“A staff member at the Clark Rd newsagent said detectives were interested in all the vision from the night Mr Huxley was brutally murdered, sometime in the early hours of September 8.”
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...of-morgan-huxley/story-fni0cx12-1226727243494

It seems to me that they have got to get him placed at/near the scene later than he says because, iirc, Dr Watson indicated that Morgan would have bled out within 20 mins if an artery had been cut (which we now know it was).

 

[SouthAussie]

Oh, I was wrong about my recall of the exsanguination time. If it was the carotid artery that was cut (which it was) it takes less than 8 minutes to bleed out, and Morgan would likely have become unconscious before then.

I wonder if Kelsall was slipping out the back door and hopping the wall into that strip of barren land (or wasn't there also a driveway that ran alongside the back of the flat?) as Jean was crossing the landing to Morgan's room.


Opinion of M.D. Head & Neck Surgery at link.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110127204021AAebCkh


"The court has been told Mr Huxley suffered 28 stab wounds, his carotid artery was cut and the tip of a knife was embedded in his head."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morgan-hu...mid-bookworm-court-hears-20150309-13z2cc.html

 

[sosocurious]

"I have thought about this subsequently and we had pet cats and dogs and he was always very good to them"

"He said he had never asked his son if he had committed the murder."

I feel for these parents - subsequently thinking about how their son treated animals but not asking did you do this?

Why would he not ask?

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/03/09/father-labels-accused-murderer-as-caring.html

 

[sosocurious]

By the beginning of 2012 Mr kelsall said his son had become progressively worse.

Due to ongoing problems. Mr Kelsall said his son went to a new doctor and psychiatrist who believed he had been misdiagnosed with bi - polar and was on the wrong medication.

I wonder if it was the new or old doctor he disclosed his thoughts of stabbing a random too?

I am curious;

* If there were a new/suspected diagnosis?
* If new medication was prescribed?
* If DK was compliant with his medication?

His parents seem to be very protective of DK. imo

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/03/09/father-labels-accused-murderer-as-caring.html

 

[SouthAussie]

By the beginning of 2012 Mr kelsall said his son had become progressively worse.

Due to ongoing problems. Mr Kelsall said his son went to a new doctor and psychiatrist who believed he had been misdiagnosed with bi - polar and was on the wrong medication.

I wonder if it was the new or old doctor he disclosed his thoughts of stabbing a random too?

I am curious;

* If there were a new/suspected diagnosis?
* If new medication was prescribed?
* If DK was compliant with his medication?

His parents seem to be very protective of DK. imo

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/03/09/father-labels-accused-murderer-as-caring.html

October 15, 2013
Mr Deverall said Mr Kelsall suffered from Asperger's syndrome and was a contractor who came into his business to clean after hours.

''We were made fully aware at the time that Jack suffered from Asperger's,'' Mr Deverall said. ''But we found that, as he had no customer interaction, just after-hours cleaning, that it didn't make any difference.''

''He was obsessed with being a chef's apprentice and always turned up wearing chef's pants,'' Mr Deverall said. ''He didn't need to. He could have done it in his trackies. We found him very docile and slow. And quiet. Could hardly get a word out of him.''

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/stabbing-...solutely-normal-says-boss-20131014-2vix7.html

 

[sosocurious]

Kelsall was lurking in that alley for what? Half an hour? With a -direct- view of the bar where Morgan was sitting. I think I did some screen shots of google view, in a previous thread. There is no way he was not stalking Morgan.

And now I'm thinking about how Kelsall carried knives around, pretending to be a chef. And his fantasies of stabbing somebody, more than a year earlier. Makes me wonder if he had been just -waiting- for the perfect victim, in order to live out his fantasy.

I also remember (I think?) that Morgan was waiting for a girl at the pub but she had to be elsewhere. I'm thinking, he left the door unlocked in case she came by (as he was known to do). Kelsall (not knowing his victim had a flatmate) knocks on door - tries the handle, finds the door open. Morgan's already in bed, probably passed out or close to it after drinking all afternoon/night.

I think there's a very real possibility Kelsall had been meticulously planning a kill, for quite some time.

I also think he stripped down in Morgan's room for the kill. Maybe had a change of clothes in his bag? Surely he did not run home naked. No way could he avoid getting blood on him during that attack.

He went by a park on the way home, iirc?

Ausgirl

I initial thought he may have a change of clothes.
But -
As it is likely DK's bag was over his shoulder at the time it was bloodied I am now thinking he was fully dressed.

He wasn't interviewed until the 24 September just over 2 weeks after the murder.

Mr Watson said that no blood was found on the clothes he was wearing that night.
Seriously how would they know for sure what set of clothes he had on that night.
Cause I am thinking he had several sets of matching work attire (boots and all) that match those on the CCTV.

2 weeks plenty of time to dispose of bloodied clothes, shoes and a knife minus the tip. imo

We still have not heard about the prescription glasses or the stolen money that was reported earlier.

I wonder if any foot prints were left or if there were finger prints on the back door?

DK's father said he did not hear his son come in the morning of the 8th September. So if he did not hear him come in, then it is just as possible he did not hear him shower. imo

I don't really know how to say this but - it seems as though the defense are putting a few well this could have happened scenarios out there (disgruntled - ex, bloke) but buddy I am afraid you are going to have to explain the damning evidence yourself ???? I always thought that is what you paid the big $, for legal rep to defend, question, argue, dispute etc the damning evidence. imo

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/damning-e...rer-daniel-kelsall-court-20150306-13wuea.html
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/morgan-hu...mid-bookworm-court-hears-20150309-13z2cc.html
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...an-to-follow-him/story-fni0cx12-1227250897403