GUILTY Australia - Stephanie Scott, 26, Leeton, NSW, 5 April 2015 - #3

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The arrogance!

"I have formed the view that there are no reasonable prospects of success on an appeal against the inadequacy of the sentence," the statement said.

formed views often have to be re-assessed.... its the nature of things..

It doesn't give me a lot of confidence in the forthcoming sentence to be pronounced upon Vincent.

The only thing I am relying on for a savage , justified , lengthy sentence is that one matter of fact.. the 5 or 10 minutes he took to 'drive home to collect his 'rape kit', and returned to the school''... whatever was in it may or may not be made part of the evidence, I hope it is. This one aspect of this crime should surely attract a huge inviolable unarguable way - over - the - standard 20 years. ..

It should, but that doesn't follow that it will. But it should.
 
of course, I think the fact that Vincent had collected a 'rape kit'.. he actually named it that, and that kit was safely stored at home, ready for use at an opportune time, no doubt he went thru it at times, removing this, replacing that, packing it this way, then that way, should automatically attract an extra 10 years on top of a huge savage lengthy sentence..
 
well. He has been released. .. to where, to do what, with whom, I don't know.

it was a wrong decision, and down the track that will become more than obvious.
 
How do they know which one is which? For certain.

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'Leeton resident Mark Norvall, who was behind the petition, said the community has had to accept the reality of Stanford walking free, but no-one is happy about it.

"As we said all along, this is not justice," Mr Norvall said.


"This guy's crime was worse than average and yet he got 50 per cent off the average sentence for that crime.

"The community's not feeling happy about it at all."

Mr Norvall said Marcus Stanford's release just proved "our system is wrong and we need to fix it".

"And there will be another petition going forward with changes to sentencing guidelines," he said.

'We're putting the justice system on notice'

Mr Norvall said the community was not about to stop making a noise about the length of the sentence.

"We're also putting the entire justice system on notice that ... when it comes to [Vincent Stanford's] sentencing on October 11, there's going to be no holding back," he said.

"We don't want half-arsed sentencing when it comes to Vincent.


"Our expectation is life with no possibility of parole."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-...der-killers-twin-marcus-stanford-free/7828314


That's around, sort of, in the vicinity of where I want Vincent's sentence , also..................
 
While the Forrest, SA community was adamant they did not want Marcus back there, what about the Leeton community? There will be outrage. We can only assume that Marcus is now living at his mother's place. In the same house?
 
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/marcus-stanford-apologises-for-stephanie-scott-murder-coverup-20160921-grlo0k.html

What a piece of crap thinking saying sorry will make a difference to the family and saying covering up a rape/murder was a "stupid thing to do". My skin crawls.

Marcus Stanford apologises for Stephanie Scott murder cover-up

"I want to say sorry for what I've done and for the hurt I've caused the family," he told Channel Nine. "For now I hope I don't cause any more trouble." He said he had done "a really stupid thing".
 
http://www.irrigator.com.au/story/3825013/receipts-in-brief/

RECEIPTS from a number of Leeton retail outlets are included in a brief about Vincent Stanford.
by MONIQUE PATTERSON, Apr 2016.

EVIDENCE tendered against Vincent Stanford included in the brief are receipts from a number of Leeton outlets... receipts from Mitre 10 in Leeton and the Shell Service Station and a written note by Stanford,telecommunications records, the purchase of viagra and a translated Netherlands school report are also included in the brief.
In addition to these items, there are also handwriting samples, fingerprints and a forensic procedure consent form from Vincent’s older brother Luke...
 
I have 3 days to get to grips with the sentencing of Vincent.

A life sentence is the maximum.. there is no factor that would permit a judge to veer off this maximum , in this case... the hoo haa about the amateur diagnosis of Autism doesn't appear to have any legs to run with, notwithstanding the 'letters from Holland' in regard to Vincent's schooldays.. . he may very well have been merely an obstructive and defiant student. This is not a mental health issue, but a personality defect.


20 years before being allowed to apply for parole is the usual. . .. 25 if the victim was a child. .. I just cant see any reason a judge could have for moving this non parole amount to a lesser number of years.. it was premeditated, even if the victim was not particularly the chosen one pre -murder, the preparation infers that murder was the desired outcome . It was not a spontaneous unforeseen murder.

and then there is the real bastardry , in this case, of pleading guilty, after all the trouble Vincent went to hide himself, and his actions, to avoid detection, etc.. .. his guilty plea will reward him with a discount on the non parole element of his sentence.. not the life sentence, that isn't any part of the discount that a guilty plea attracts..

The problem I have is, this discount is , in a whole lot of ways, subject to the perspective of the judge. He/she will be bound by certain parameters, and expectations, but there is plenty of elbow room in that element of the sentencing that has me grinding my teeth with rage. It is possible, I don't say probable, that Vincent could get a non parole sentence of only 10 years, .. I cant bear it, and think that is horrific but it is possible. It would be based on his age and his potential for rehabilitation.. ( I say his potential for rehab is slim, in the light of the long , relentless planning, his execution of his crime, and his behavior after it, it all points to a barely functioning human being, . .. a chosen path, not an involuntary one. ) ..

There is provision for the judge to edge into the opposite point of view, a non parole sentence of 30 years isn't unheard of, but this will be , like any sentencing, up to the judge, but the provision is certainly there in NSW law , nothing to prevent it, and lots to expect it, considering this crime. I am expecting it at the very least, but .. I expected a lot more loaded onto Marcus.. .I have to come to some compromise ....
 
Vincent Stanford Sentencing

Supreme Court Justice Robert Hulme will hear sentencing submissions today for Vincent Stanford who pleaded guilty to the rape and murder of Stephanie Scott.
This is a long awaited day for many. Our thoughts are especially with Stephanie's parents, siblings and fiance whom may go through many powerful emotions today as they encounter the rapist and murderer. Our thoughts are also with the Leeton and Canowindra communities for whom this is also an important and long awaited day for justice to be seen to be done
:grouphug:
 
FYI
http://www.irrigator.com.au/story/4213530/stanford-sentence-in-griffith-this-week/?cs=1524

Submissions for Vincent Stanford sentencing to be held in Griffith on Tuesday
9 Oct 2016.

Supreme Court judge, Justice Robert Hulme, will hear sentencing submissions for Vincent Stanford by the Crown Prosecutor and Stanford’s barrister...
submissions may take most of the day.
It is not yet known when Justice Hulme will deliver sentence...

bolded by me.

Surely, submissions by Vincent's barrister won't take more than 2 minutes?.. What possible character witnesses could be produced?. perhaps his mother, 'yes, Vincent once, in 1998, put the rubbish bins out, unasked'. .. or Luke, the older brother, ' um, he fed the kitten sometimes'.. . I cant see his employer, Joss Constructions , giving him a glowing reference.. And just who did provide references for Vincent to get this plum job in a rural town , in outback NSW?., these are the kind of jobs that locals get, and need, he would be in a position of power, amongst children who have to go to school, for 6 hours a day.. what possible references could he have that delivered him this job in Leeton? .

Stuff from Holland?. .. the usual about his 'deprived' childhood... .. spare me, Holland is a welfare state on a much higher scale than Australia, Annike would have been able to access kindergartens, doctors, housing, etc, which may have well been a part of why she took the 3 boys back to Holland.

I expect the rest of the time to be taken up by the Crown Prosecutor, submitting the endless aggravating elements of this horror, right back to when he started ordering the components for his 'kit'.... and even before that. Days of this, starting from when he first took himself off on a reconnaissance around Leeton, and when the idea of Cocoparra Park as a funeral pyre became his chosen place.

God help her mother and father, and Aaron. ..
 

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