Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #3

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...driving-Dad-Gable-Tostee-s-arrest-murder.html



Thursday, August 7

Documents provided by police to the court say Warriena Wright uses her online name Cletus to set up a date with Gable Tostee on mobile
dating app Tinder. They make a date to to meet in Surfers Paradise, the court docuements allege.

8.45pm: CCTV cameras capture Mr Tostee and Ms Wright meeting in Cavill Mall.
8.48pm: Mr Tostee and Ms Wright briefly enter the Surfers Paradise Tavern Beer Garden.
8.58pm: Mr Tostee and Ms Wright enter Avalon Apartments.
9pm – 12.56am: Mr Tostee and Ms Wright drink and socialise inside Avalon Apartment 1404.
12.57am: He says, 'don't go baby please and then asks '...
1.01am - 1.06am: He tells her he has 'IQ of 150...
1.09am: He says they should go to Jupiter's [casino]...
1.16am: After discussing gods, and him saying he is 'Zeus' there is the sound of hitting and he
says 'You have no idea ... English mother *advertiser censored**er. Do you speak it?'
1.26am - 1.29am: He says, 'I should walk you home' and says 'just be nice'. Conversation is calm.
1.32am: He says, 'how about another drink'. She 'denies'...
1.35am: The music stops and she says 'where is my sister's s**t? Where is my *advertiser censored**ing data? Where is my iPhone'
and they have a heated conversation about her phone, her stuff, his saying she has been beating him up.
1.38am: She says 'I am going to call the police' to which he responds, 'how are you going to call the police without your phone'.
1.39am: He says, 'your phone must be out of battery ... it must be out on the balcony ... you have had too much to drink'.
She says, 'I am gone. I will be out of your hair, see you later.'
1.41am: He asks if they 'can sit down and discuss this' and asks her to 'stay the night'...
The conversation calms down and they discuss money, Greek gods and mythology.
1.47am - 1.49am: She says she did not used to be a believer and he says with his vodka she is a believer.
She asks to look at the balcony and he warns her not to jump.
He states, 'people with white coats are going to come in' and says that she would jump off the balcony and that he
is totally flattered that his vodka has had that effect on her.
1.40 - 1.50am: While she goes to the toilet, he whispers into the recording device, 'God help me - **** ... *****'.
1.52am: He asks her if she got the photos he sent her 'our balcony photos' and says 'you are so much more drunker than me I need to catch up'.
Drinks are poured and he says 'that is like vodka on the rocks - that is yours'. Sound of more drink getting poured and he says 'try that, it tastes better'
1.56am: She says 'that is horrible. I am going to leave that there'.
1.56-2.03am: There is the sound of more drinks getting poured.
2.05-2.07am: He tells her to 'chill out' Possible pouring of more drinks. Asks her again if she is hungry. They talk about penis size.
2.10.50am: Sounds of a struggle begin, after which he says she is 'insane'.
Over the next few minutes the argument gets worse and at 2.13am the sounds of a struggle are interspersed with his swearing and her saying 'OK, it is all good' while she sounds out of breath.
It is during the 10 minutes leading up to 2.21am that he calls her a 'god damn psycho' twice and there are further sounds of the struggle.
In an outline of submissions for the Crown case, the alleged facts say that at 2.17am, after he tells her 'get up, get up' and she says,
'I am so sorry', 'there are sounds consistent with the deceased being held down and her airway restricted. Her breath is clearly laboured.
Full details in MSM link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...driving-Dad-Gable-Tostee-s-arrest-murder.html

.... This is where it comes to mind is he enforcing her to give oral sex to him ?
First he asked her if she is hungry between 2.05-2.07 AM and then is the talk about penis size and in a few seconds the sounds of Struggle have started
at 2.10 AM? Is this perhaps the reason why her breath and airway are restricted??
 
:hug: Poss... :hug:

Much :heart: to you. I know how you feel. A few days away can help. That, and/or watching youtubes of puppies and kitties. :)

(mind you I am presently over run with real life puppies and kitties right now.. omg, my pets, so cute, Idk if I could read here as much as I do if it wasn't for their silly, furry ways)
THANKS :deepbreaths:
Off topic: have a very young bibi possum here to calm me.
 
That's so true, SouthAussie. We used to run with our intuition based on face-to-face contact.

I'm personally super glad I'm not on the scene now - I'm a sucker for a well written phrase! I'd automatically build the writer into someone fabulous, witty and intelligent in my head.......when they may just be someone who's good with words :scared:

Amen Sister.
 
Insp Gadget my quoter has gone haywire.

I only hope with that in mind that the no no no isn't her being sodomised, the bang on the glass isn't her being pinned against it, and then 'chucked', bent over, onto the railing. I can't imagine no being said that many times in a row unless it was an objection to something physical being done to me.

(Gable was undressed. We know that Rrie's dangling legs had black pants on them. We don't know if they were pulled up at the top. I am not convinced that the sound reported to be the door sliding to a close wasn't it actually sliding open).

At 2.23am, according to the court transcript, Tostee says '*advertiser censored**, *advertiser censored**, *advertiser censored**' before getting dressed and letting himself out of his apartment and then through the basement of the Avalon Apartments and onto the street.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ble-Tostee-s-arrest-murder.html#ixzz3DFe7TsY2

All conjecture.

ETA, the timelines on the different articles have slightly different interpretations so I am getting more confused by the day.
 
Isn't it a 2 piece sliding glass door? So if one was closed... one may still be open?
 
RSBM

Seems absurd and horrifying doesn’t it? Total disregard for life.

As if the lawyer (or common sense) is going to say ... ‘no, don’t call an ambulance, high tail it outta there right now’.

The lawyer would have just said what he evidently said later on … ‘turn yourself in, make no comments, let us see the lay of the land before any further action’.

GT obviously hates and disregards police and authority. Why would he call police when he abuses them and runs from them at high speed.

Maybe he remembers the tickle of the tazer. :thinking:
 
I'm not convinced that apps like Tinder are any more risky than going home with someone just met in a bar. I'm not familiar with the apps, but assuming the average tinder date starts off meeting in a public place then how is it different to getting a feel for someone in a bar? I suppose it could be harder to trust your gut if you've already selected each other off an app and gone to the point of meeting. I guess that depends on the individual - I think I'd worry about offending someone if I walked out. Easier to excuse yourself from some guy at a bar, but that's just me. On the other hand, if you meet a tinder date sober (to begin with) then maybe it's a better way to gauge people than mid-way through a night at the pub. Seems to me the vast majority of pub/club and tinder hook-ups go as intended. There are smart and dumb ways to go about both. But even the smartest girls/guys can run into crazy. Heck, more often the crazy doesn't rear it's head until they're well into a relationship.

bbm

:floorlaugh: Aint that the truth??!!!
 
Love to you, Possum xxxx

:heartluv:
 
Insp Gadget my quoter has gone haywire.

I only hope with that in mind that the no no no isn't her being sodomised, the bang on the glass isn't her being pinned against it, and then 'chucked', bent over, onto the railing. I can't imagine no being said that many times in a row unless it was an objection to something physical being done to me.

(Gable was undressed. We know that Rrie's dangling legs had black pants on them. We don't know if they were pulled up at the top. I am not convinced that the sound reported to be the door sliding to a close wasn't it actually sliding open).



All conjecture.

ETA, the timelines on the different articles have slightly different interpretations so I am getting more confused by the day.

I am SOOOOO hoping that wasn't what was happening......but it does make some degree of hideous sense.:facepalm:

Well thought out - if horrible -, Insp.Gadget. Good to see you here!!:loveyou:
 
Don't forget the neighbour who witnessed the fall also said she awoke to the sounds of what she thought was furniture being thrown around in GT's apartment - things were getting very physical in there just before Warriena's death :(

Has anyone seen a link to a transcription of the audio that has an uncensored version of what GT says to himself while Warriena was in the loo?? I'm pretty sure I've only seen a **** version, and have wondered what he actually said and what he meant by it.
 
Don't forget the neighbour who witnessed the fall also said she awoke to the sounds of what she thought was furniture being thrown around in GT's apartment - things were getting very physical in there just before Warriena's death :(

Has anyone seen a link to a transcription of the audio that has an uncensored version of what GT says to himself while Warriena was in the loo?? I'm pretty sure I've only seen a **** version, and have wondered what he actually said and what he meant by it.

A bit more:
1.40 - 1.50am: While she goes to the toilet, he whispers into the recording device, 'God help me - s h i t ... b i t c h'.

ETA websleuths censored it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ble-Tostee-s-arrest-murder.html#ixzz3DG6pa4FU
 
2.10am: Sound of a struggle. Female: 'That really hurt my vagina.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2750083/FULL-TRANSCRIPT-Inside-Apartment-1404-minute-minute-tape-Warriena-Wright-Gable-Tostee-s-fatal-date-laughter-weird-conversation-violent-row-final-struggle-plus-happened-afterwards.html#ixzz3DGSFGmby

Little research has been focused on the suppository (anal or vaginal insertion) method of administration. Anecdotal evidence of its effects are infrequently discussed, possibly due to social taboos in many cultures. The rectum and the vaginal canal is where the majority of the drug would likely be taken up, through the membranes lining its walls. This method is often known within methamphetamine communities as a "butt rocket", "potato thumping", "turkey basting", a "booty bump", "keistering", "plugging", "shafting", "bumming" and "shelving" (vaginal). It is anecdotally reported to increase sexual pleasure, while the effects of the drug last longer.

That is from a forum (http://isoleeted.com/index.php?topic=8333.0;wap2) but more here: http://projectneon.org/reduce/safer_using/
 
2:17am: You're a god damn psycho. I am going to let you go. I am going to walk you out of this apartment just the way you are. You are not going to collect any of your belongings you are just going to walk out and I am going to slam the door on you do you understand. If you try and pull anything. Ill knock you out. Ill knock you the f... out. Do you understand? Do you understand? Do you understand?

2:17am: Cmon Get up. Get up. Female states – I am so sorry. Male states I don't care. Struggling – Male – You don't understand do ya. You don't understand anything at all do you. You don't understand do you. Struggle. Male states 'Let go' You think that you hit me and I was going to fall down like in the movies. More laboured breathing sounds. Male states Let go of it. Let go. Let Go. Let go. More choking sounds

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-...police-transcript-tostee-murder-trial/5731322



bbm. Okay - trying to work out exactly what was happening from these edited bits of transcript:

So firstly I just noticed after telling her he is going to walk her out the door, he says 'C'mon get up. Get up.' Which implies she is down. What has happened that she is down?

Then not long after, the transcript says "more choking sounds", which implies there were choking sounds earlier (which aren't in the published transcripts).

To me that suggests he had already choked her by this point......

PS the transcription of the audio is outrageously poor - whoever transcribed it made no effort to make it clear who was speaking each time.
 
2:17am: You're a god damn psycho. I am going to let you go. I am going to walk you out of this apartment just the way you are. You are not going to collect any of your belongings you are just going to walk out and I am going to slam the door on you do you understand. If you try and pull anything. Ill knock you out. Ill knock you the f... out. Do you understand? Do you understand? Do you understand?

2:17am: Cmon Get up. Get up. Female states – I am so sorry. Male states I don't care. Struggling – Male – You don't understand do ya. You don't understand anything at all do you. You don't understand do you. Struggle. Male states 'Let go' You think that you hit me and I was going to fall down like in the movies. More laboured breathing sounds. Male states Let go of it. Let go. Let Go. Let go. More choking sounds

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-...police-transcript-tostee-murder-trial/5731322



bbm. Okay - trying to work out exactly what was happening from these edited bits of transcript:

So firstly I just noticed after telling her he is going to walk her out the door, he says 'C'mon get up. Get up.' Which implies she is down. What has happened that she is down?

Then not long after, the transcript says "more choking sounds", which implies there were choking sounds earlier (which aren't in the published transcripts).

To me that suggests he had already choked her by this point......

PS the transcription of the audio is outrageously poor - whoever transcribed it made no effort to make it clear who was speaking each time.

Agreed, Isis, and each transcript has different details - like him putting his trousers and belt back on is only in one I have seen. The furniture the neighbours heard being thrown is not mentioned in any transcripts. The THREE screams that news reports had us believe neighbours heard don't correlate to any of the transcripts (I think).
 
Is it possible to purchase the Tostee transcript, like the journalists have? Does anyone know?

Like people were able to purchase the docs in the GBC case..........
 
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