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Crikey I’m asking myself the same thing Violet
The original post had an error in initials and now corrected upthread to FFC from MFC I understand.
Crikey I’m asking myself the same thing Violet
Crikey I’m asking myself the same thing Violet
With respect, I am a social worker in the foster care space and I was raised from a baby in a non-biological family...raising someone else's child with the best intentions can be surprisingly difficult. You can't love a child out of their trauma. As much as foster/adoptive parents want to be "the real parents" they cannot be. At the same time, they are not "babysitters" or a "place-h0lder" but they are not and cannot take the place of the birth parents. This relationship is ingrained in the baby in utero and reinforced during and immediately after birth. When a fracture takes place the child suffers trauma. This may take a lot of time to bond thereafter with another caregiver/parent, but the mother/child relationship will never be forgotten at an unconscious level. Another parent relationship is possible of course, but it takes time, patience and great sensitivity to create that bond. IMHO.
i agree with you k-Mac. Have first hand experience of a wonderful foster woman caring for a challenged / ing young girl; sharing progress, access & holiday time with her bio-aunt & Granny while the dad in jail & mother unknown whereabouts.Some fostering boundaries/ rights appeared to have blurred into adoption boundaries/rights and that no matter how well intentioned for the children they thought they where its just not ok what happened here.
I know a fostering family and she never refers to herself as mum.
They are first names and she refers to herself as such and suches carer. She helps support the child with their parents relationship. And its bad.
Selfless wonderful human being.
But that is a can of worms because for every amazing foster family out there is a dooshbag one.
So like everything its individual.
But Williams foster family created a nice home and surroundings for him on the surface but were not supportive of his relationship with his biological family and trying to eliminate them out of his life was not the usual or their place morally or legally. (IMO)
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I was suggesting that the surveillance may have been prior to the AVO and new dig.
Good point about lockdown & visits being potentially cancelled. Does anyone have any information on this?
I wonder if it would be possible that she could leave the house on an occasion wearing slippers on her feet, then once at her car realise her mistake and go back into her house to put proper shoes on her feet?Maybe she was feeling very distressed and her mind was on other matters besides choosing her clothing for the day. imo.
I think the FC’s have been very aware of the direction this was taking, for a few months at least, so my point still stands. JMO.
Both of my children, now grown, and parents themselves, consider me to be Mom. They had open adoptions, which were vital--- but by their teen years they both chose to step away from their active birth family connections because of the difficult circumstances, which had led to them being removed from the family in the first place. But they were no longer 'in trauma' about the fracture because it had been healed over time. They had time to know their birth families and to fully process the situations and to feel able to stay in contact in the future if they would like to.
I do , with all respect, take issue with the statement that adoptive mothers ' cannot be the real parents.' I was in the delivery room when both our babies were born. We were able to take them home 48 hours later. I was a stay at home mom and my children did not go to day care until they were ready for Pre-k at age 4. I did all of those things because I did not want my kids to feel fractured or to have trauma that some babies have from being bounced around after their birth.
So I AM their mum. I was the one person who cared for them every single day and night of their lives, and from 48 hours old.. I can never take the place of their birth parents and wouldn't want to. My kids know where they got their smiles and their physical attributes and their talents and their laughs and their ethnic traits. But I can still be 'mom' because that was what I did, actively and lovingly.
We talk about adoption quite openly because it is what it is and we have always been very truthful about it with everyone. My kids feel like they were supposed to end up being in our family, and it wasn't a bad thing or negative thing the way it happened---it was a spiritual thing and our family was created the way it was supposed to be, which is not the usual way but things happen for a reason.
It did not take a lot of time for them to bond with us as parents. Even though they had visits with birth family members, and calls and letters, they always knew that we were their forever family, and the family they would grow up with. That was comforting to them and to us. There is plenty of love to go around.
That’s beautifully written and welcome Jeckandi.
My two cousins were adopted and raised by people who truly wanted and loved their children.
My two cousins went on a hunt to find their true mother who, unfortunately ‘had not a maternal bone in her body’
They walked away loving and admiring their adoptive parents all the more.
Both of my children, now grown, and parents themselves, consider me to be Mom. They had open adoptions, which were vital--- but by their teen years they both chose to step away from their active birth family connections because of the difficult circumstances, which had led to them being removed from the family in the first place. But they were no longer 'in trauma' about the fracture because it had been healed over time. They had time to know their birth families and to fully process the situations and to feel able to stay in contact in the future if they would like to.
I do , with all respect, take issue with the statement that adoptive mothers ' cannot be the real parents.' I was in the delivery room when both our babies were born. We were able to take them home 48 hours later. I was a stay at home mom and my children did not go to day care until they were ready for Pre-k at age 4. I did all of those things because I did not want my kids to feel fractured or to have trauma that some babies have from being bounced around after their birth.
So I AM their mum. I was the one person who cared for them every single day and night of their lives, and from 48 hours old.. I can never take the place of their birth parents and wouldn't want to. My kids know where they got their smiles and their physical attributes and their talents and their laughs and their ethnic traits. But I can still be 'mom' because that was what I did, actively and lovingly.
We talk about adoption quite openly because it is what it is and we have always been very truthful about it with everyone. My kids feel like they were supposed to end up being in our family, and it wasn't a bad thing or negative thing the way it happened---it was a spiritual thing and our family was created the way it was supposed to be, which is not the usual way but things happen for a reason.
It did not take a lot of time for them to bond with us as parents. Even though they had visits with birth family members, and calls and letters, they always knew that we were their forever family, and the family they would grow up with. That was comforting to them and to us. There is plenty of love to go around.
Both of my children, now grown, and parents themselves, consider me to be Mom. They had open adoptions, which were vital--- but by their teen years they both chose to step away from their active birth family connections because of the difficult circumstances, which had led to them being removed from the family in the first place. But they were no longer 'in trauma' about the fracture because it had been healed over time. They had time to know their birth families and to fully process the situations and to feel able to stay in contact in the future if they would like to.
I do , with all respect, take issue with the statement that adoptive mothers ' cannot be the real parents.' I was in the delivery room when both our babies were born. We were able to take them home 48 hours later. I was a stay at home mom and my children did not go to day care until they were ready for Pre-k at age 4. I did all of those things because I did not want my kids to feel fractured or to have trauma that some babies have from being bounced around after their birth.
So I AM their mum. I was the one person who cared for them every single day and night of their lives, and from 48 hours old.. I can never take the place of their birth parents and wouldn't want to. My kids know where they got their smiles and their physical attributes and their talents and their laughs and their ethnic traits. But I can still be 'mom' because that was what I did, actively and lovingly.
We talk about adoption quite openly because it is what it is and we have always been very truthful about it with everyone. My kids feel like they were supposed to end up being in our family, and it wasn't a bad thing or negative thing the way it happened---it was a spiritual thing and our family was created the way it was supposed to be, which is not the usual way but things happen for a reason.
It did not take a lot of time for them to bond with us as parents. Even though they had visits with birth family members, and calls and letters, they always knew that we were their forever family, and the family they would grow up with. That was comforting to them and to us. There is plenty of love to go around.
My biological parents were killed in a car crash when I was one year old. My three year old sister and I were adopted and sent to Australia. I recall nothing but my sister very vaguely remembers the plane flight and a lot of fuss. It seems to me that LT may well have recollection of what happened whe WT disappeared.
Once age 12 the child can choose to enter an adoption without the birth perents consent
My biological parents were killed in a car crash when I was one year old. My three year old sister and I were adopted and sent to Australia. I recall nothing but my sister very vaguely remembers the plane flight and a lot of fuss. It seems to me that LT may well have recollection of what happened whe WT disappeared.
Some other place , local park or play centre from memoryThere is no way I make a claim to be a long term member. The information re frequency of children's personal connection visits with their bio parents may have been discussed by the bio mother in a televised interview? IMO
Were these visits at ffc home or in some other place?
Chipmunks Play CenterSome other place , local park or play centre from memory
@SouthAussie
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William’s story starts 10 years ago, when his father met a girl. In 2010, they had a daughter. Three months later, that child — a girl called Lindsay in court documents — was taken into state care. What was the issue?
Violence. It wasn’t directed at the child. Lindsay’s mother went to a party. It got out of hand. Police got called. She spat at police. She was aggressive. She has mental health problems, and is addicted to drugs. She lashed out, in a way that made officers feel unsafe.
They decided Lindsay was “at risk of harm” — that’s a formal categorisation — and handed her to the NSW Department of Family and Community Services ...........
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Thanks for the link. To me it seems unusual that a wanted child who was exposed to psychological harm stayed in care long term imo. It's technically hard to prove even though it's obviously not good for the child.
Even the way the first child was taken presumably while at home being babysat while the mother was out. That one incident isn't enough to remove a child. There must be more to it. imo.
@winterberry
I find it's often a statement of fact that people have addiction issues and mental health issues. The stigma around them makes it sound pejorative. Many people with similar issues are good hearted and are able to gather the strength to address their issues. They're often vulnerable people themselves. I believe the b mother has owned her past publically now imo? She is obviously stable enough now and has her other kids in her care imo.
I really find it very unusual her kids weren't returned to her.
Yes agree ....This would depend on decisions already made by family court. If the children were already on 18 year orders bio mums chance of having them returned would be slim.
She may not have had further chn removed because she has cleaned up her act, but doesn’t automatically equate to getting earlier chn back.
All IMO
Yes agree ....
William was deemed a long term placement in the care of the FACS Minister in April 2013.
William Tyrrell: Inside privileged life of foster mother, why she hates Spiderman photo | Daily Mail Online
They were going anyway..it's not hard to change and sort..some people are just good at organizing.. means nothingI think the FM is more than capable of thinking on her feet, she was able to pull together and quickly organise to go to the FGM'S as a 'last minute' change of plan.
11 September, 2014:
2.50pm: On a last minute change of plan, the foster mother and father leave their Sydney home, drop their cats at kennels.
4pm: The foster parents collect William and his sister from childcare and start the drive up to Kendall one day earlier than planned, via the F3, stopping en route at Caltex, Wyong and then, at 6.35pm, Raymond Terrace McDonalds.
William Tyrrell’s doomed life
It could relate to a post in here that was posted of the fgm statement and she used the words patio and balcony..I don't have the link and can't remember who posted linkThey can of course, but at what cost to those they implicate if Police are wrong? Millions of dollars it would seem
I considered a deathbed confession too. Also wondered if they were floating the idea of a balcony accident to give the perpetrator an ‘out’ so to speak.