Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #69

[SLouTh]

William Tyrell search: police say sniffer dogs have found no trace of boy

Article from 16th September 2014

"“It’s baffling that there’s no lead at this time,” Superintendent Paul Fehon told Macquarie Radio on Tuesday.

“We would have thought we would have had some indication of something at this stage of this very thorough search.”

Neither police sniffer dogs nor cadaver dogs had been able to pick up any sign of the boy, Fehon said"

Yes that is the exact same article that I referred to in my post.

 

[SLouTh]

I think if William was 'handpicked', FACS would have set his sister up with the FP first, then brought William to them after his removal at 7 months old. Instead of leaving William's sister with other carers until months later.

As it was, William needed immediate care, when he was removed (which turned out to be after FACS found him).
And FACS moved his sister there later on

BBM
Are you sure about this SA??? I am struggling to find any evidence that LT was placed after William was placed with the Fosters????

I am sure I have read somewhere that LT was placed with the Fosters 5 weeks before William arrived.

I am also trying to find that info atm, so will just say imo

 

[KateM]

No, but just looking at him I would say that he appears to be within that average weight range, I weigh children every single day in my profession, and I am a reasonable predictor of what the weight will be.....

All children's medications are based on weight- mg/kg/dose and it is important to be aware of the correct weight range ..... It is also important to question a weight, if it does not appear to be correct...

In addition to this, I am sure FACS know exactly how much William weighed. And that information will be in the Police File.

JMO

I just don't find the discussion on a child's weight respectful to William, but by all means question the adults in the case. IMO

I was replying initially to a post by a medical professional who thought that William looked underweight for his age. This has nothing to do with being respectful to William and everything to do with questioning how well he was being cared for by the FP's, who lost him in their care...

 

[sleepinoz]

From Memory I can't find a link, maybe it was in a Podcast, wasn't there mention of the FFC gathering clothes etc when a dog was brought to the property early on? Only to be told that it wasn't a search dog but a cadaver dog? Anyone?

Thanks SA, you answered my question.

 

[KateM]

No, but just looking at him I would say that he appears to be within that average weight range, I weigh children every single day in my profession, and I am a reasonable predictor of what the weight will be.....

All children's medications are based on weight- mg/kg/dose and it is important to be aware of the correct weight range ..... It is also important to question a weight, if it does not appear to be correct...

In addition to this, I am sure FACS know exactly how much William weighed. And that information will be in the Police File.

JMO

I just don't find the discussion on a child's weight respectful to William, but by all means question the adults in the case. IMO

I was replying initially to a post by a medical professional who thought that William looked underweight for his age. This has nothing to do with being respectful to William and everything to do with questioning how well he was being cared for by the FP's, who lost him in their care...

William Tyrell search: police say sniffer dogs have found no trace of boy

Article from 16th September 2014

"“It’s baffling that there’s no lead at this time,” Superintendent Paul Fehon told Macquarie Radio on Tuesday.

“We would have thought we would have had some indication of something at this stage of this very thorough search.”

Neither police sniffer dogs nor cadaver dogs had been able to pick up any sign of the boy, Fehon said"

It still doesn't tell us where exactly the CADAVER dog searched for William's scent.

 

[SouthAussie]

BBM
Are you sure about this SA??? I am struggling to find any evidence that LT was placed after William was placed with the Fosters????

I am sure I have read somewhere that LT was placed with the Fosters 5 weeks before William arrived.

I am also trying to find that info atm, so will just say imo

Sorry ... it was just one week after William was placed with the foster parents. (Not months, not sure why I thought it was some months.)

This is from the case law ..... (we are not supposed to post the link, otherwise I would).

"Julian was removed from the care of his mother at 7 months’ age because of concerns that he was at risk of harm (associated with domestic violence and drug abuse), and placed with foster carers.
Julian’s sister, who is a year older than Julian and whom I shall call Sarah, had been removed from her mother’s care before Julian was born, and the Children’s Court had allocated parental responsibility for her to the Minister; she was later placed with the same carers as Julian, a week after he was.
Subsequently, having found that there was no realistic possibility of restoration to their parents, the Children’s Court made final orders allocating parental responsibility for Julian and Sarah to the Minister until they attain 18"

 

[sleepinoz]

I was replying initially to a post by a medical professional who thought that William looked underweight for his age. This has nothing to do with being respectful to William and everything to do with questioning how well he was being cared for by the FP's, who lost him in their care...

It still doesn't tell us where exactly the CADAVER dog searched for William's scent.

I don't think the exact location is available to the general public, the Police of course know.

 

[sleepinoz]

What clothes was the FFC gathering? Were they the clothes the FP’s were wearing the day before or that morning WT disappeared?

Williams clothes for a sniffer dog to help find him, and then she found that it was a cadaver dog - from what I remember.

 

[SLouTh]

Sorry ... it was just one week after William was placed with the foster parents. (Not months, not sure why I thought it was some months.)

This is from the case law ..... (we are not supposed to post the link, otherwise I would).

"Julian was removed from the care of his mother at 7 months’ age because of concerns that he was at risk of harm (associated with domestic violence and drug abuse), and placed with foster carers.
Julian’s sister, who is a year older than Julian and whom I shall call Sarah, had been removed from her mother’s care before Julian was born, and the Children’s Court had allocated parental responsibility for her to the Minister; she was later placed with the same carers as Julian, a week after he was.
Subsequently, having found that there was no realistic possibility of restoration to their parents, the Children’s Court made final orders allocating parental responsibility for Julian and Sarah to the Minister until they attain 18"

Thanks for that SA ..... interesting how so much info in this case has been in contradiction to other documents ...

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

Williams clothes for a sniffer dog to help find him, and then she found that it was a cadaver dog - from what I remember.

Was it mentioned anywhere that the FFC’s clothes were tested or confirmed to be in their possession in the day/s after William’s disappearance?
I notice in the video walk through of the FMFC they walk around the back of the house and the clothesline is visible, with clothes on it, so some washing must of been done. But, there’s no visual of clothes worn the day before by the FP’s. There may be an explanation as to why, but just curious.

 

[sleepinoz]

Was it mentioned anywhere that the FFC’s clothes were tested or confirmed to be in their position in the day/s after William’s disappearance?
I notice in the video walk through of the FMFC they walk around the back of the house and the clothesline is visible, with clothes on it, so some washing must of been done. But, there’s no visual of clothes worn the day before by the FP’s. There may be an explanation as to why, but just curious.

I can't remember it being mentioned, if Police released it maybe you will need to do some searching. The video was taken, what 6 days later?, I'm sure they would have more than one load to hang on the line.

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

BBM - what does this mean?

If the doc was included in an article it’d be sweet, if you follow the case I’m sure you’ve seen some info referencing it

 

[Warshawski]

FM took those photos because they were drawing pictures to put on their grandfathers grave and so it was obviously an important thing to take a photo of. No doubt there are just as many photos of his sister, yet obviously they aren’t released as her identity is suppressed.

I get that, however I’d think it important to recall other memories of what was likely their final ‘holiday’ at # 48, considering FFGM was moving on.
With all the reported activity that morning, I’m surprised there’s not photos of them playing in the surrounds, riding their bikes in the driveway etc.

I’m also interested in Where on the property William’s scent was detected. Was it only the driveway, or was his scent detected at other boundary areas, at the ‘climbing tree’ etc .

 

[LolaAngelina]

I get that, however I’d think it important to recall other memories of what was likely their final ‘holiday’ at # 48, considering FFGM was moving on.
With all the reported activity that morning, I’m surprised there’s not photos of them playing in the surrounds, riding their bikes in the driveway etc.

I’m also interested in Where on the property William’s scent was detected. Was it only the driveway, or was his scent detected at other boundary areas, at the ‘climbing tree’ etc .

It’s quite possible there are many more photos. The police have only released what they felt were relevant to the case.

 

[k-mac]

There is a really big problem with the 'system'.

Why does BM have full custody of Williams 2 little brothers but its not appropriate for Williams sister to be with her Bm and her brothers.

Either BM is an unfit mother or she isn't.

Why in the world are biological siblings being treated 180 degree different.

The hypocrisy and red tape in this case is disgusting.

MOO

 

[sleepinoz]

There is a really big problem with the 'system'.

Why does BM have full custody of Williams 2 little brothers but its not appropriate for Williams sister to be with her Bm and her brothers.

Either BM is an unfit mother or she isn't.

Why in the world are biological siblings being treated 180 degree different.

The hypocrisy and red tape in this case is disgusting.

MOO

IMO She doesn't. JMOO

 

[Warshawski]

I want to add to that, that AFAIK little W got "handpicked" to come to these foster parents, because they wanted a pair of siblings. The sister already was in care anyway, and it might be, the baby William as the sister's bio brother was given to the foster parents all too willingly by authorities. The bio parents (especially the bio father, it seemed later) were desperate for keeping William, but it wasn't allowed. I never heard, they were desperate to get the sister back, probably they had come to terms with her foster care, but they were so very attached to the baby son. I know, there were drugs and violence between the parents in the play. But who knows, if their chance to keep William, couldn't have been better without this certain wish of the foster carers to get siblings. MOO

I agree FromGermany - but I think perhaps DEPT saw a perfect opportunity to fulfil the FFP ‘order’ of 2 siblings.

This is all just My Opinion - I rely on memory as I don’t have stored links like all the clever & diligent people ! Thanks for being here

• It’s my understanding that L was removed from her parents at 3 months of age & put into care - so sad. And she may’ve had a couple of short term placements.
• I’ve heard conflicting info as to when William was actually taken from his parents: 9 mths or 7 mths.
  
• Both children then went to live with the people we refer to as FFP. I do wonder how that co-ordination came about & why they were determined to remove W from parents who displayed a desperate love for him & to have him with them. I wonder just what ‘support’ was given to his Mum to help her get on track.
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• Quite a massive lifestyle change I should imagine, to have a ‘soon to be’ Toddler & a ‘just over’ Toddler arrive & interrupt your ‘two-some’ status, to where you now focus on nappies & crying babies!

<modsnip>
However I also think that we mainly hear everything as if it’s to do with William only, because the focus is on finding William / finding out what happened to Him
( as opposed to L)

 

[JLZ]

There is a really big problem with the 'system'.

Why does BM have full custody of Williams 2 little brothers but its not appropriate for Williams sister to be with her Bm and her brothers.

Either BM is an unfit mother or she isn't.

Why in the world are biological siblings being treated 180 degree different.

The hypocrisy and red tape in this case is disgusting.

MOO

That amounts to saying that if someone produces a child every year or two, and is intermittently not sufficiently unfit as a parent to have any children remaining in his or her care removed, then any children who were previously removed should be returned--which might be a dozen times before the child is independent. Is that your position? Current thinking is that the less a child is deparented, reparented the better.

Edited to BBM

 

[k-mac]

That amounts to saying that if someone produces a child every year or two, and is intermittently not sufficiently unfit as a parent to have any children remaining in his or her care removed, then any children who were previously removed should be returned--which might be a dozen times before the child is independent. Is that your position? Current thinking is that the less a child is deparented, reparented the better.

Edited to BBM

'my position' is.....
Either she is a fit mother or she isnt.

She is either capable of caring for children (and if she has the kids they must think so) or not.

Not some...This one..but not that one....wtah??

Your post clarifies exactly my point...CLEAR AS MUD red tape.

moo

 

[LolaAngelina]

Out of her mouth on national tv she stated in 2018 thats exactly what she was doing. She stated she desperately wanted custody of williams sister.


bbm
How do you know she isn't/ hasn't?

TIA.

<modsnip> IMO if the younger 2 have been removed she wouldn’t have a very good case to get Williams sister returned.