Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 2

[FigTree]

I wonder...
if Williams abduction may have been a small ransom demand gone wrong -
or something like payback 'scare' gone awry...
ie - William was taken, and never meant to be harmed nor 'missing' - but William was noticed missing so quickly and Police responded so effective and efficiently putting a full swing search for William, that any plan someone had to make their point, or make a demand had been taken - there was no window of opportunity to implement anything, or contact the family without being identified.

I hope William is safe tonight - and somewhere there are 2 stupid adults working out how they can return him.
Its easy - drop him off at the local Police station now - and hand yourselves in while you're at it.

Praying for William.

 

[Violette]

http://www.skynews.com.au/video/national/2014/09/22/police-investigate-body-in-car-boot.html

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...he-boot-of-a-car/story-fngr8h4f-1227066112085

 

[LolaAngelina]

http://www.skynews.com.au/video/national/2014/09/22/police-investigate-body-in-car-boot.html

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...he-boot-of-a-car/story-fngr8h4f-1227066112085

How is this related to William's case?

 

[Violette]

It was meant to be a reply to pudnegg's post further up as he said he would try to find links on this body in the boot case. Sorry, you can see my post count is low so I'm being a noob lol.

 

[catswhiskers]

I have to admit I held my breath for a few moments when I first heard about the body found in a car boot. :what: It's terrible no matter who the victim is, but I was glad to hear it wasn't a child.

 

[they'll get you]

How is this related to William's case?

violet was responding to my comment that Port Macquarie and surrounding areas are usually quiet.
Also there was a stabbing in the main street of Port and I suggested that sometimes unusual crimes could be connected.
JMHOO

 

[Blessed]

I always assumed that the errand was carried out by car - not sure what made me think that. Am I correct in thinking this, or could the errand have been carried out on foot? I believe the 'father' returned to the scene quickly.

Could he of been at a neighboring house assisting a neighbor??


Moo

 

[they'll get you]

I have to admit I held my breath for a few moments when I first heard about the body found in a car boot. :what: It's terrible no matter who the victim is, but I was glad to hear it wasn't a child.

I thought Oh No! Coincidently two bodies found in separate incidences, Sydney & another in Taree.

 

[Puggle]

Ground based radar (GBR) can be employed to assist police and law enforcement investigation teams in forensic searches. GBR detects objects buried in the ground and reveals ground structure. Large areas can be searched quickly and non-destructively, greatly improving search efficiency and reducing unnecessary excavation operations.

Forensic applications of GBR include: detection of buried bodies, graves, hides and caches, and the detection of cavities both in the ground and in structures. In order to best develop a suitable range of geophysical tools for forensic application, more research is necessary in both field use and software development.

http://www.macaulay.ac.uk/geoforensic/geoforen_noninvasive.html

The big draw of this science is that it potentially cuts down the enormous amount of manpower it takes to find a very small grave in a very large forest.. I think it's great police are utilising all available options.

The one thing that resonated with me is that Geo Forensics incorporates the principle “whenever two objects come into contact, there is always an exchange of material”. c Is there any chance that a suspect/s has been identified...and soil or geological particles taken as samples..say from shoes has been identified

geological evidence that points to a specific location...say...Middle Brother National Park. This may explain the turnabout by police changing search area...and to then take the line that it may very well be possible that William was "assisted" whatever that means into a car and taken there.

 

[Puggle]

Possibly a silly question but what are the chances of police committing to such an extensive search without believing he was out there from very early on?
I know things aren't always what they seem in the world of police investigations but a staged search is probably too far fetched. Thoughts?

A matter of accountability I would suspect...even if police had their own theories/gut feelings...unless they can prove anything immediately they can't afford to overlook every possibility and be seen to be doing everything humanly possible until they have all the facts.....if William's remain are eventually found somewhere in the Kendall State Forest and it could be proven he died of natural causes and they didn't conduct searches they would be open to a liability case by the parents and would be ripped apart in the public arena no doubt.

 

[Puggle]

OR William ran out thinking it was dad & the car hit him and they quickly bundled him in?
Remembering the police were looking for a damaged vehicle.

They'll get you....can you provide a link to say they were looking for a damaged vehicle...I have only seen reports where they were looking for evidence such as clothing or anything else that could be associated as evidence thrown from a car.

 

[Aglaia]

I wonder...
if Williams abduction may have been a small ransom demand gone wrong -
or something like payback 'scare' gone awry...
ie - William was taken, and never meant to be harmed nor 'missing' - but William was noticed missing so quickly and Police responded so effective and efficiently putting a full swing search for William, that any plan someone had to make their point, or make a demand had been taken - there was no window of opportunity to implement anything, or contact the family without being identified.

I hope William is safe tonight - and somewhere there are 2 stupid adults working out how they can return him.
Its easy - drop him off at the local Police station now - and hand yourselves in while you're at it.

Praying for William.

I have a close relative currently training to join a specialised forensics team in nsw
I asked her if she'd heard anything, she said only what's been reported in the media
I asked her if she had any ideas
She said all she could think of was some sort of ransom, maybe the family is related to tyrrell wines

I've been mulling over this idea for days trying to see if it could at all fit, but like all other theories, coming up with nothing

 

[Violette]

I have a close relative currently training to join a specialised forensics team in nsw
I asked her if she'd heard anything, she said only what's been reported in the media
I asked her if she had any ideas
She said all she could think of was some sort of ransom, maybe the family is related to tyrrell wines

I've been mulling over this idea for days trying to see if it could at all fit, but like all other theories, coming up with nothing

Maybe, but the spelling of Tyrrell wines has a double R, Williams surname has a single R. Could well be a possibility though.

 

[pudnegg]

I've been doing some research in the background going back to basics and on one of the very first NSW Police Force posts which went up on the 12th September 2014 @ 12:50pm - so 2 hours and 20 minutes after WT went missing - they were advising the public that they DID NOT have a photo of the boy and that they were currently trying to obtain one.

https://www.facebook.com/nswpoliceforce/posts/10152439192696185?fref=nf

 

[pudnegg]

Maybe, but the spelling of Tyrrell wines has a double R, Williams surname has a single R. Could well be a possibility though.

I had thought of this also but can't tie them in anywhere. It also makes you question whether it was more 'high profile' given how quickly everyone responded. Police were within 6 minutes, AirPol - same day etc...this could be standard practice I'm not sure but just throwing it out there.

 

[Puggle]

Maybe, but the spelling of Tyrrell wines has a double R, Williams surname has a single R. Could well be a possibility though.

Hi Violette.... maybe check out page 12 post number 281...there is a mention on that post about the spelling of surname.

 

[they'll get you]

They'll get you....can you provide a link to say they were looking for a damaged vehicle...I have only seen reports where they were looking for evidence such as clothing or anything else that could be associated as evidence thrown from a car.

"""Superintendent Paul Fehon said the State Emergency Service's volunteers will walk the forest's trails as they search for part of a vehicle that may have become detached."""

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/2568489/roads-forests-focus-of-search-for-missing-william-tyrell/

 

[Violette]

I swear I'm going to get fired because I can't stop refreshing this thread waiting for more news, good news, well any news at all. As soon as I wake I'm searching young Williams name, I just can't get this awful thing off my mind.
I am totally flummoxed to what has happened. It's like he's been picked up on the spot and vanished all together without a trace. What gets me is there isn't any scent of him, no clues, nothing and its heart wrenching.
I can only barely imagine what his parents and siblings are going through, especially Williams mum being heavily pregnant. Those who've had children here know that you try your best not to get stressed or upset for fear of causing your unborn anxiety, but how can she cope in a situation like this?!

I'm thinking of all avenues and praying he's nearby and had an accident or something and can’t be seen, but the fact the sniffer dogs found nothing eradicates that theory. The only one theory plausible is he's been picked up by some vehicle, but it such a short space of time? It must've been a very split second thought for the perpetrator to think of capturing him. One because he was visiting his grandmothers that day, meaning he couldn't of been watched/targeted over time, and two, the thought process of seeing him and deciding to capture him in such a small time window is unfathomable....for me anyway.

I am completely baffled but I hope and pray he is found very very soon so the family can move on with whatever outcome.

 

[paddlekick]

Hi all, First post for this case but I have been keeping up and spending every minute I can get catching up on all of the posts here as if it's my job! Does anyone else find themselves thinking of this case almost obsessively like I just can't let William down.

I too am at a loss. Some thoughts which I haven't seen mentioned here are maybe a 'friend' of grandma? I too think a random opportunist in that street is very unlikely (but not impossible!) But maybe a friend of grandma's who had visited the house many times, perhaps helped do handyman jobs around the place since her husband passed away. Had seen photos of William, heard about his 'complicated family history' and pitted him like Chloe Campbell's abductor or just took a 'liking' to him. He could know which hiding spots were best and unseen from the windows.

How would this person know William had arrived? I know if my mum had been surprised with her grandchildren she might share it on FB. Lots of older people accounts. Or the small town bush telegraph?

When I wondered about the house layout and looked at the photos. I thought a known person could stand right there at the front of the house knowing it's only a spare room behind that window and she never uses the side door etc and if he was busted by one of the adults he could explain it away, dropped back to see how you are/ pick up that tool.

Not sure but a thought I keep coming back too.

 

[they'll get you]

Welcome Paddlekick

I can't get my head around that if the kids were playing chasies around the house then why didn't the dogs pick williams scent?
Police mentioned to the fence line...... But no fences. :thinking:

I heard a report on TV 2night saying much info has been given to police & they are going to wring that info out.

I just hate the thought that sweet little angel might be dead somewhere.
Sometimes I think he's very close to the house, even crawled under that little verandah. = no chasies = no scent. :thinking:
TGYxx

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