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frogwell said:
When? Does he?. If I'd seen a connection between them to date, I'd probably agree with you all. We can assume because of the lines of business they are both in that they crossed paths more often, but it hasn't been reported. They both move to the coast from a town in central NSW that sits at about the same latitiude. So common when people from the country go on holidays and then decide to move in later life.

http://wauchope.localstats.com.au/demographics/nsw/north-coast/mid-north-coast/wauchope
http://bonny-hills.localstats.com.au/demographics/nsw/north-coast/mid-north-coast/bonny-hills

Above are 2 demographic reports on Warchope and Bonny Hills, I found the percentages of what people do for work interesting or should I say not out of character for the towns 2 of the POI's lived in.
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Jones is also friends with Bill Spedding, a washing *machine repairman and an earlier person of interest.

Attempts by The Daily Telegraph to get in contact with Bickford yesterday were unsuccessful.
 
Makara said:
I totally agree. IMO I don't think that Spedding is being framed for the historical child sex offences. IMO it is a case of the angry mother of the two victims trying to right a perceived wrong in her eyes. There is so much we don't yet know about this case and perhaps will never know.

What is really telling IMO is that Spedding, or more to the point his lawyer, is stalling both the NSW and Victorian cases. Why? An innocent man IMO would want to 'get the show on the road' so to speak, clear his name and get on with his life. In reality, both the NSW and Victorian cases could drag on for years. Why anyone would want to live with that hanging over their head is beyond me. And who foots the bill?
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Why did he waive his right to a committal hearing?

Crown prosecutor Craig Everson said the prosecution would rely on tendency evidence between the two alleged victims and other allegations not the subject of charges on the indictment......


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-b...hild-sexual-assault-case-20160907-grako8.html
 
sosocurious said:
Why did he waive his right to a committal hearing?

Crown prosecutor Craig Everson said the prosecution would rely on tendency evidence between the two alleged victims and other allegations not the subject of charges on the indictment......


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-b...hild-sexual-assault-case-20160907-grako8.html
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"If you decide not to cross examine any witnesses or a Magistrate refuses to direct the attendance of a witness you may choose to agree to dispense with the formalities of a committal hearing.
If you choose this course, you will be committed to trial to the District Court."
http://www.armstronglegal.com.au/criminal-law/court-tour/major/not-guilty/committal-hearing/no/

BBM


"If you do not take this course, the prosecutor will tender a brief of evidence that contains all the evidence the police intend to rely upon at your trial.
The Magistrate will read the evidence and decide firstly in his or her opinion whether the evidence is capable of satisfying a jury, that you have committed an indictable offence beyond a reasonable doubt.
The court must then be satisfied that there are reasonable prospects that a jury would convict you of an indictable offence. If the Magistrate is not satisfied, the Magistrate will dismiss the charge against you."
 
SouthAussie said:
"If you decide not to cross examine any witnesses or a Magistrate refuses to direct the attendance of a witness you may choose to agree to dispense with the formalities of a committal hearing.
If you choose this course, you will be committed to trial to the District Court."
http://www.armstronglegal.com.au/criminal-law/court-tour/major/not-guilty/committal-hearing/no/

BBM


"If you do not take this course, the prosecutor will tender a brief of evidence that contains all the evidence the police intend to rely upon at your trial.
The Magistrate will read the evidence and decide firstly in his or her opinion whether the evidence is capable of satisfying a jury, that you have committed an indictable offence beyond a reasonable doubt.
The court must then be satisfied that there are reasonable prospects that a jury would convict you of an indictable offence. If the Magistrate is not satisfied, the Magistrate will dismiss the charge against you."
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Thanks SA
Judge John Pickering took issue with the defence only serving documents on the crown the day before the hearing was due to start.....

"This is a serious application for, as I understand it, a permanent stay of proceedings where the allegations are of the utmost seriousness," he said.................

The case was adjourned to February 6 with the trial judge expected to hear the stay application.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-b...hild-sexual-assault-case-20160907-grako8.html
 
Hbayne said:
Jones is also friends with Bill Spedding, a washing *machine repairman and an earlier person of interest.

Attempts by The Daily Telegraph to get in contact with Bickford yesterday were unsuccessful.
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OCTOBER 2 2015
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Wife horrified at probe into estranged husband over William Tyrrell disappearance

Jones and Mr Spedding knew each other from living in Wellington.

They both moved to the Mid North Coast but relatives say they weren't close.
 
SouthAussie said:
Yes, I think we always remember the 'who' of those who have done us wrong or harmed us, starting from very early in our lives. It is part of our innate makeup, meant to warn us and protect us from further harm.
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True for some. I have 'snapshot' memories of a traumatic even that occurred when I was around 18 months old. Ignorance really is bliss in some cases.
 
deugirtni said:
yes, that is why i said they need to re-start their restart. It took 7 long years to bring DM's killer to face justice, and why? And what did it take to get it there? And where would it still be today if not for the coroner's inquest? If his parents hadn't fought and fought for it to happen? If they hadn't revisited the alibis? People may have thought the police 'knew' in that case as well, since they (the police) seemed to balk at an inquest.
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Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin said he and his colleagues were feeling the pressure of what was now a 10-month investigation to find William, who disappeared from his grandmother’s home in Kendall, on the NSW mid-north coast.
“The type of crime we’re talking about, and we’re talking about human intervention here, is something that there’s no excuse for not coming forward if you do have information,” he said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...e/news-story/9b98d96a3dbc4a8101e74fce96668fc2

NSW State Coroner Michael Barnes, known as “Cold Case Barnes” because of his work on unsolved murders, has confirmed he is working “closely” with homicide detectives but there are no steps yet to open an inquest into the toddler’s disappearance.

Mr Barnes has been receiving regular updates on the country’s biggest missing persons case.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/52f56fd9f743bf83491a28e8fc6acc53
 
I would assume that to have the NSW State Coroner working closely with the homicide detectives on the case, would be to try to a) come to a stonger position of whether WT is dead or alive based on all the evidence they have so far, b) to point out any holes, blindspots in the way the investigation has been run, where they might want to refocus based on his career experience? MOO

It always blows me away that DM's remains were recovered after all those years.
What I found so disturbing about DM's case, was that he was killed within 2 hours of being abducted.For stranger abduction, his case was text book statistically. For years there were sightings and horrific statements made about what had happened to him involving much prolonged suffering, from other POI's, (for the life of me , I will never understand why) that his family had to endure.
 
Makara said:
Exactly. Thank you.

It has gotten beyond the point of who posts what on Facebook or other social media. What a lot of people don't realise is that there are specialist police squads (in all states and territories of Australia) that are assigned specifically to monitor online social media. They know a whole lot more than we will ever hope to know about everyone even remotely connected to William, his biological family and extended family.
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Agreed. Even with the remarkably high sleuthing skills I observe here, we are basically working with one very limited source of information - the internet. Police have so many more sources of information - complete access to databases of all other cases and perpetrators being just one further example.
 
If a person was a pedo then you would think that they would be continually abusing children. With BS, if he is a pedo. then it would appear that there has not been any victims from between the case he is in court for now until the time of William's abduction. Even if the victims have not come forward there would be talk or innuendo you would think. The more time goes on the more I wonder if William did have a tragic accident and his body has not been found. Something like an old well or drain or something similar. A million dollars surely would have someone with any information come forward. Even if you were afraid that sort of money buys a lot of protection.
 
louisepiglet said:
If a person was a pedo then you would think that they would be continually abusing children. With BS, if he is a pedo. then it would appear that there has not been any victims from between the case he is in court for now until the time of William's abduction. Even if the victims have not come forward there would be talk or innuendo you would think. The more time goes on the more I wonder if William did have a tragic accident and his body has not been found. Something like an old well or drain or something similar. A million dollars surely would have someone with any information come forward. Even if you were afraid that sort of money buys a lot of protection.
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often though, men who molest children, choose family members, much easier to keep a secret and especially so if their wife/partner turns a blind eye, so it can go on for years and the children too frightened to tell anyone until adulthood, which seems has happened in the historic cases pending, there may be other family member victims or even other children hes known, too ashamed or scared of shaming family etc to come forward in this case, no matter how much money is offered
 
louisepiglet said:
If a person was a pedo then you would think that they would be continually abusing children. With BS, if he is a pedo. then it would appear that there has not been any victims from between the case he is in court for now until the time of William's abduction. Even if the victims have not come forward there would be talk or innuendo you would think. The more time goes on the more I wonder if William did have a tragic accident and his body has not been found. Something like an old well or drain or something similar. A million dollars surely would have someone with any information come forward. Even if you were afraid that sort of money buys a lot of protection.
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bbm

..... but even more enemies (think of a ring of pedos plus all their families! - don't know how many that would be ...). IMO
 
louisepiglet said:
If a person was a pedo then you would think that they would be continually abusing children. With BS, if he is a pedo. then it would appear that there has not been any victims from between the case he is in court for now until the time of William's abduction. Even if the victims have not come forward there would be talk or innuendo you would think. The more time goes on the more I wonder if William did have a tragic accident and his body has not been found. Something like an old well or drain or something similar. A million dollars surely would have someone with any information come forward. Even if you were afraid that sort of money buys a lot of protection.
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BBM: We looked at this a thread or two ago. Most rewards are still unclaimed. A reward does not make most people who 'know' come forward.
Who knows why. Maybe because the perp is the only one who knows he/she committed the crime. Maybe because a partner does not want to lose their man/woman to the prison system. Maybe because a family member does not want to tear their family apart. Maybe because an informer is afraid they will be found, regardless, and harmed due to their revelation.

Eg ...

VICTORIA Police has not paid a cent of nearly $14 million offered in rewards in the past decade, raising doubts about the true worth of cash incentives in solving crimes.
At least 43 rewards, totalling $13,750,000, have been posted since 1998.
But despite the riches on offer and numerous claims, not one reward has been collected.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/poli...or-information-in-10-years-20090118-7k4p.html


Why Don't Rewards Work?
Sometimes the police get tips, but they don't pan out. Sometimes there may not be a witness to the actual crime, or it may take time before someone realizes someone he knows may have been involved in a crime.

More often than not, though, it's fear. The promise of cash isn't enough to overcome a would-be tipster's fear that helping the police may jeopardize his or his family's lives and safety. The criminal he helps capture may have family and friends who won't react kindly to the criminal's capture.

http://criminal.lawyers.com/criminal-law-basics/does-offering-rewards-to-solve-crimes-pay-off.html
 
bearbear said:
often though, men who molest children, choose family members, much easier to keep a secret and especially so if their wife/partner turns a blind eye, so it can go on for years and the children too frightened to tell anyone until adulthood, which seems has happened in the historic cases pending, there may be other family member victims or even other children hes known, too ashamed or scared of shaming family etc to come forward in this case, no matter how much money is offered
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thnx for your response BB. I agree - men who do this stuff are very cunning in hiding their activities, and also in blind-siding their partners.
Rather than castigating those women, I prefer to support & empathise with them in the tumultuous times of their emotions... as they range from disgust, disappointment, disillusioned, hatred - and as they come to struggle to rationalise and fight for their own sanity in the face of it all.

When it gets to the point where anyone in the loop speaks out - they should be applauded and then very quickly wrapped in a blanket of safety, love & security.

Somehow we need to find a way to reverse the ability for these Scum to continue to exercise the power they play over their victims.

We need to ensure our kids know that they can safely tell us everything - we are not going to die, we are not going to jail, no one is going to be hurt or worse off, in fact everything will be better when we know about everything, since we are the loving protectors. ... I have no f&:)/ idea of the words - you all choose to suit your own personality.

However I am quite serious in that WE (as a society) need to find a way to eradicate the enabling power of these pedeophiles
 
not in reference to bs, but if a man commits incest only with his own children is he then also a danger to other children outside the family, is he classified as a paedophile?
like when some men in prison have homosexual encounters but dont classify themselves as gay once outside prison?
opportunist sex?
the prisons are full of men who have been arrested for incest but they are never called paedophiles, would they be put on any sex offender list?
 
bearbear said:
not in reference to bs, but if a man commits incest only with his own children is he then also a danger to other children outside the family, is he classified as a paedophile?
like when some men in prison have homosexual encounters but dont classify themselves as gay once outside prison?
opportunist sex?
the prisons are full of men who have been arrested for incest but they are never called paedophiles, would they be put on any sex offender list?
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Yes. They would be put on the non-public sex offender registry. (BBM) This is from a Victorian website, but I am pretty sure it applies country-wide.

Who is on the Victorian Register of Sex Offenders?

Class 1 offences
Sexual penetration of a child
Rape
Incest
Sexual penetration of a child under 16
Sexual penetration of 16 or 17 year old
Sexual penetration of a person with a cognitive impairment by providers of medical or therapeutic services
Sexual penetration of person with a cognitive impairment by providers of special programs
Compelling sexual penetration if the person who the offence is committed against is a child
Persistent sexual abuse of a child under the age of 16
Facilitating sexual offences against a child
Aggravated sexual servitude
Sexual intercourse or other sexual activity with a child outside Australia
Persistent sexual abuse of a child outside Australia
Sexual intercourse or other sexual activity with a young person outside Australia where the offender is in a position of trust or authority

http://www.secasa.com.au/pages/the-victorian-register-of-sex-offenders/
 
The main theory, at the time Det Jubelin described it in the 60minutes documentary, was MOO that WT walked to the roadside of the main section of Benaroon (the section that's downhill from the bend), and was abducted from there.

Is it possible instead, he walked to the roadside at the end of the main driveway, on the top section of Benaroon, and was abducted from there?
 
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