Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #32

[papertrail]

I don’t know, maybe because his paedophile mate was pres

therefore you are now contending there is a corrupt police officer involved. police checks require official forms to be filled out and submitted in order for a check to be done. it's not a matter of just ringing up your mate who is a police officer for a favour. and the GAPA organization were required by FACS to have the checks carried out. it is normal process the request for check document has the organization requesting the check. the check is done and the outcome advised in writing to the requesting organization and FACS in this case.

The president or administrators of the local GAPA group would not be able to fudge a check.

or are you also implying that someone within FACS is involved. if you are that will lead to a very very interesting discussion that has not been done here yet.

 

[Hbayne]

therefore you are now contending there is a corrupt police officer involved. police checks require official forms to be filled out and submitted in order for a check to be done. it's not a matter of just ringing up your mate who is a police officer for a favour. and the GAPA organization were required by FACS to have the checks carried out. it is normal process the request for check document has the organization requesting the check. the check is done and the outcome advised in writing to the requesting organization and FACS in this case.

The president or administrators of the local GAPA group would not be able to fudge a check.

or are you also implying that someone within FACS is involved. if you are that will lead to a very very interesting discussion that has not been done here yet.

No no and no . No police corruption or corrupt facs officers bust a few conniving revolting paedophiles

 

[purpleandgreen]

]therefore you are now contending there is a corrupt police officer involved[/B]. police checks require official forms to be filled out and submitted in order for a check to be done. it's not a matter of just ringing up your mate who is a police officer for a favour. and the GAPA organization were required by FACS to have the checks carried out. it is normal process the request for check document has the organization requesting the check. the check is done and the outcome advised in writing to the requesting organization and FACS in this case.

The president or administrators of the local GAPA group would not be able to fudge a check.

or are you also implying that someone within FACS is involved. if you are that will lead to a very very interesting discussion that has not been done here yet.

BBM. And you came to this conclusion how? Are we reading different threads?

 

[Hbayne]

BBM. And you came to this conclusion how? Are we reading different threads?

I thought the same ??? Fudged checks, corrupt police I’m lost in this response and what I’m supposedly alluding to

 

[papertrail]

Bought over from thread 14 - post 208 Mountain Mumma

http://www.gapa.org.au/meeting-reports/page/3/

What a bitter bitter irony.

In the Meeting Reports of October 21, 2013 we have PB presiding as President.

Excerpt from the minutes of that meeting:

“Discussion took place over Working with Children Check.
Notice of Motion was moved Tony Jones second *** ***** that,
As you will be aware a new Working with Children Check came into effect on 15th June 2013 and must be completed by all authorised carers by December.
Once you have your clearance number GAPA must be provided with that number, your date of birth and date of cover to keep a register, as requested by the Office of the Children’s Guardian.”

thankyou! so Jones cast his own demise <modsnip>.

 

[sosocurious]

therefore you are now contending there is a corrupt police officer involved. police checks require official forms to be filled out and submitted in order for a check to be done. it's not a matter of just ringing up your mate who is a police officer for a favour. and the GAPA organization were required by FACS to have the checks carried out. it is normal process the request for check document has the organization requesting the check. the check is done and the outcome advised in writing to the requesting organization and FACS in this case.

The president or administrators of the local GAPA group would not be able to fudge a check.

or are you also implying that someone within FACS is involved. if you are that will lead to a very very interesting discussion that has not been done here yet.

Wasn't it the Office of the Children&#8217;s Guardian which is independent of facs?

In 2013 legislative changes expanded the role of the Office to be an independent government agency that works to protect children by promoting and regulating quality, child safe organisations and services.

The Office reports to the NSW Minister for Family and Community Services and to Parliament.

Under our legislation, the Office of the Children&#8217;s Guardian:

accredits and monitors the designated agencies that arrange statutory out&#8209;of&#8209;home care in NSW
maintains and monitors the NSW Carers Register, a centralised database of people who are authorised, or who apply for authorisation, to provide statutory or supported out-of-home care
registers and monitors agencies that provide, arrange or supervise voluntary out&#8209;of&#8209;home care
accredits non&#8209;government adoption services providers
authorises the employment of children under the age of 15, and child models under the age of 16, in the entertainment sector
administers the Working With Children Check and encourages organisations to be safe for children
administers the Child Sex Offender Counsellor Accreditation Scheme &#8211; a voluntary accreditation scheme for persons working with those who have committed sexual offences against children.

https://www.kidsguardian.nsw.gov.au/about-us/who-we-are

from post 634
Excerpt from the minutes of that meeting:

Once you have your clearance number GAPA must be provided with that number, your date of birth and date of cover to keep a register, as requested by the Office of the Children&#8217;s Guardian.&#8221;

 

[sosocurious]

thankyou! so Jones cast his own demise what an effing dick.

Yeah .... but PB stepped down for family reasons. Just about the time that wwcc were required.:thinking:
Wonder if AJ also stepped down at that time?

Yes it has been said that as soon as gapa members learned of the allegations. But as you say you can't believe everything you read in the media.
The timing ... so confusing.
Maybe there were a few that failed the test .....:dunno:
Spouses living apart it seems..
Tricky if one past the test and the other doesn't.
imo

 

[papertrail]

eek is that thunder you all jumping up and down lol because there's not a cloud in the sky lo l.

keep in mind bickford as president of port macquarie GAPA group at the time when the working with children legislation requirement came inJune 2013, was a cleanskin re sex based criminal convictions and I consider it would be dangerous to jump to a conclusion that he and Jones were up to no good.

yep I know there has recently been a woman named Karinna that has come out saying stuff about Jones but she stepped up after announcement of a reward therefore can her info be relied upon re her assertion about the connection between bickford and Jones being more than mere acquaintances. who used to go fishing together. more red herrings

I have never read anything about Jones fostering bio grandchildren. anyone know where Jones was born and if he was known by any other 1st or 2nd names

 

[sosocurious]

eek is that thunder you all jumping up and down lol because there's not a cloud in the sky lo l.

keep in mind bickford as president of port macquarie GAPA group at the time when the working with children legislation requirement came inJune 2013, was a cleanskin re sex based criminal convictions and I consider it would be dangerous to jump to a conclusion that he and Jones were up to no good.

yep I know there has recently been a woman named Karinna that has come out saying stuff about Jones but she stepped up after announcement of a reward therefore can her info be relied upon re her assertion about the connection between bickford and Jones being more than mere acquaintances. who used to go fishing together. more red herrings

I have never read anything about Jones fostering bio grandchildren. anyone know where Jones was born and if he was known by any other 1st or 2nd names

You know I agree - we do not know whether Jones cared for grandchildren.

Just that

His family also wanted to make clear that they remain supporters of GAPA, the vast majority of whose members are upstanding citizens.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...e/news-story/32e25b03d673e69bcd1d82aa3b04f527

 

[Wexford]

therefore you are now contending there is a corrupt police officer involved. police checks require official forms to be filled out and submitted in order for a check to be done. it's not a matter of just ringing up your mate who is a police officer for a favour. and the GAPA organization were required by FACS to have the checks carried out. it is normal process the request for check document has the organization requesting the check. the check is done and the outcome advised in writing to the requesting organization and FACS in this case.

The president or administrators of the local GAPA group would not be able to fudge a check.

or are you also implying that someone within FACS is involved. if you are that will lead to a very very interesting discussion that has not been done here yet.

A police check is not the same as a Working With Children Check.

 

[Wexford]

please provide where your belief stems from.

I believe that has already been addressed by Soso. It was not a belief, it was in the minutes of a GAPA meeting.

 

[papertrail]

just to confirm everyone's understanding. spedding was not a member of GAPA or any other similar group? If he was not after news of impending legislation he would be aware of required background checks. hmmmm

 

[Wexford]

just to confirm everyone's understanding. spedding was not a member of GAPA or any other similar group? If he was not after news of impending legislation he would be aware of required background checks. hmmmm

Yes he was a member of a similar group. He was not a member of GAPA.
Posting link again: https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...andparent-support-groups-20150905-gjfrug.html

 

[bearbear]

highly skilled and highly regarded police officers do not get involved with deceitful behaviour like you are alluding to. what you are saying without saying it is that DCI Jubelin has acted in a deceitful manner and fed false information to the press and the public. get real. i am sure defence counsels would have a picnic with that scenario. do you really think DCI Jubelin is going to risk his career and reputation like that. for goodness sake step away from the keyboard.

im not accusing police of lying, police use clever strategy all the time to catch criminals, just look at how they caught brett cowan etc they use media all the time to their advantage, they are accountable to their higher ups not us the public!

 

[ParaK]

Man questioned over William Tyrrell's disappearance faces child sex ...
Sorry if it has already been linked but has there been any indication when the Victorian charges against BS will be in court?

 

[SouthAussie]

Man questioned over William Tyrrell's disappearance faces child sex ...
Sorry if it has already been linked but has there been any indication when the Victorian charges against BS will be in court?

I looked this morning. Spedding was not on the court list yet.



Committal is supposed to be 30th March, according to this article. Unless he waives committal again. (ETA Please ignore this sentence and link, soso just pointed out to me that this was in 2017 )


Magistrate Mark Stratmann adjourned the committal mention until March 30 next year, but told the lawyer this was the last time he will be excused from attending court.

The new offences are alleged to have occurred in Clarendon near Ballarat and other locations across regional Victoria.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/4240094/alleged-paedophile-spedding-to-face-court-next-year/

 

[sosocurious]

im not accusing police of lying, police use clever strategy all the time to catch criminals, just look at how they caught brett cowan etc they use media all the time to their advantage, they are accountable to their higher ups not us the public!

and the police told us that the use of the media was a key strategy.
No secrets ...put it out there ..... strategy.

One of the team&#8217;s key strategies has been to harness the media interest in the case, ..............

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...t/news-story/1743cf18eadd8bc4b860a6ae7cbf6d76
Another William Tyrrell person of interest

 

[SouthAussie]

Look at the Daniel Morcombe case. They suspected Cowan, but no DNA was left in Cowan's vehicle. By pure chance.

I am not sure about the DNA evidence in Daniel's case. It took 8 years for them to test for it. I wonder about the integrity of the tape samples after 8 years. Does it degrade after time, if it is just hair? We all know that skin and hair both degrade after time.

It was an appalling lapse by an Inspector who apparently did not believe in Cowan's guilt at the time.


DNA samples taken from the car belonging to Daniel Morcombe's killer were not examined for eight years, a coronial inquest into the schoolboy's disappearance has heard.
When asked why DNA testing was not done on the hair found in the car, Inspector Pobar said technology at the time was laborious and often yielded little results.
"Almost a decade has passed before those tape lifts were eventually examined and everyone to their own judgement but from our perspective that's far too long," Mr Morcombe said.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-...rder-evidence-ignored-for-eight-years/8122904

 

[sosocurious]

I looked this morning. Spedding was not on the court list yet.

Committal is supposed to be 30th March, according to this article. Unless he waives committal again.


Magistrate Mark Stratmann adjourned the committal mention until March 30 next year, but told the lawyer this was the last time he will be excused from attending court.

The new offences are alleged to have occurred in Clarendon near Ballarat and other locations across regional Victoria.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/4240094/alleged-paedophile-spedding-to-face-court-next-year/

argh - think that was 2017

MARCH 30 2017

William "Bill" Spedding was due to face a committal mention before the Ballarat Magistrates' Court on Thursday.

On Thursday magistrate Ronald Saines granted the adjournment request, telling the court the NSW trial, which is expected to take five weeks, was a sufficient reason to delay the Victorian matters.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/4565783/spedding-fails-to-appear-on-victorian-charges/

JULY 6 2017

An alleged paedophile may not front a Ballarat court on historic child sex abuse charges until 2018...........
Magistrate Ronald Saines said it was unusual, but he would adjourn the case to further committal mention at a date to be fixed.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/...-spedding-could-avoid-court-for-rest-of-year/

:waiting:

 

[SouthAussie]

argh - think that was 2017

MARCH 30 2017

William "Bill" Spedding was due to face a committal mention before the Ballarat Magistrates' Court on Thursday.

On Thursday magistrate Ronald Saines granted the adjournment request, telling the court the NSW trial, which is expected to take five weeks, was a sufficient reason to delay the Victorian matters.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/4565783/spedding-fails-to-appear-on-victorian-charges/

JULY 6 2017

An alleged paedophile may not front a Ballarat court on historic child sex abuse charges until 2018...........
Magistrate Ronald Saines said it was unusual, but he would adjourn the case to further committal mention at a date to be fixed.

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/...-spedding-could-avoid-court-for-rest-of-year/

:waiting:

Hahaha .... oops. You're right.

Didn't we see somewhere that it was likely to be early March this year? I can't find the link now.