Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #60

[Awakening]

William Tyrrell's foster mother gives her version of what happened at the home where he disappeared | Daily Mail Online

It's understood police are working on a theory that William's foster mother was using the car on the day of his disappearance. The car has never before been examined.

I'm weary of this particular news source but if this bit "The car has never before been examined" is correct then I'm shocked and makes me think anything is possible.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

FGM's car wasn't examined? Nice one!

 

[PrimeSuspect]

"William was dressed in a 'Spiderman' costume and he was full of beans," the grandmother told police a few days later according to a statement released by the NSW Coroners Court on Tuesday.
"He was jumping out of his skin with energy."
After playing on the rear verandah William ran around the right side of the house toward the front of the property.
"That's the last time I saw William," she said.
The woman describes the harrowing first moments of the search in which her daughter, William's foster mother, was calling out for the young boy.
Police arrived to search the house and surrounding area and the scene descended into "pandemonium", the foster grandmother stated at the time.
"I can't think of anyone who would want to harm William," she said, noting local police officer Wendy Hudson first asked the question.
"I suggested (a neighbour) across the road (as he keeps odd hours and lives alone).
"Wendy assures me that she has checked him out thoroughly."
AAP has chosen not to name the neighbour.
The foster grandmother, in the same police statement, said she was also concerned William might have made his way to nearby Batar Creek Road which had "lots of traffic moving back and forth".

William Tyrrell's foster nan named neighbour in investigation

 

[cocomonkey]

I am thinking that this search of the Kendall area has been planned for a while due to the number of officers involved. I thought it was said that this line of inquiry has been in the pipeline for quite a while. I'm wondering if they have just been waiting for an excuse to take William's sister from the Foster Carers for any reason they could think of. The investigators would know that when things "hit the fan" that the girl would need to be in a stable place. I'm wondering if they know full well the bruising is innocent but it gave them the an opportunity to act. It is just strange that as soon as she is reported to have bruising she is removed and the intense investigations and public innuendo began.

 

[iiiii's]

does anyone know who the first responding female police officer was whose first instincts sensed something was “off”about the scene?

I thought it was a detective Vanessa Patridge. IIRC, after the 1st day police were reporting back to the station that they thought something more sinister had taken place and she arrived on scene for the 1st time the following morning. When Michael Usher interviewed her on 60 minutes, her 1st thoughts were, "William's not missing", which she repeated that phrase and didn't clarify what she meant by it and it has always stood out to me, cause it was so profound, cause he is missing. One thing I've noticed about police is sometimes they mean exactly what they say and other people put there own inference on that. If he wasn't missing to the person who had reported him missing, then that person, it would logically follow, would know where he is. IMO

Another example of police literally saying what they mean was 1st responder Chris Rowley in the same program. He met the FF for the 1st time at the house, even though we were all under the impression that he was out looking for WT. I know that I thought, surely they mean in a general sense, like around the property, outside, but it was later confirmed in other media that Chris Rowley 1st encountered FF coming out of the bathroom at the house crying.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Let's face facts here, unless whoever did this either confesses to police, or tells someone who reports them, this case isn't getting solved.

 

[Aimee2]

And yet in CO's book "Missing William Tyrrell" page 97 it states that "There had been forensic testing of William's foster nana's car, and of the new four wheel drive. His foster parents had surrendered computers and phones for forensic testing too. "

And in the paragraph prior, " A crime scene officer...had gained consent from William's foster nana to conduct a forensic search of her house, three days after William disappeared".

 

[bearbear]

its unbelievable if fgms car wasnt examined, in the early days of the searches i was obsessively worried he was in a car boot, while others here were worried about septic tanks, i had to reassure myself all the vehicles would be checked thoroughly, but now to find out they werent!!!

 

[PrimeSuspect]

"I can't think of anyone who would want to harm William. I was asked this question initially by Wendy HUDSON (a police woman who lives in Kendall) and I suggested [a neighbour] across the road (as he keeps odd hours and lives alone). Wendy assures me that she has checked him out thoroughly," it reads.
The man has been vetted by Strike Force Rosann investigators, and found to have had no involvement in the case. He has since left the Kendall area.
William's foster parents, who cannot be identified, decided to take him and his sister to Kendall in September 2014 because his grandmother wanted to sell her house after her husband had died.
The little boy's foster parents, who both have a "long history of experience in real estate", were concerned "that I was going to do the wrong thing", the statement said.

'Keeps odd hours and lives alone': William Tyrrell's foster grandmother reveals her suspicions

 

[stormyseas]

For those asking about FGM’s statement..

William Tyrrell's foster grandmother's police statement to inquest revealed | Daily Mail Online


“When William Tyrrell's foster grandmother was asked who would want to harm the little boy, she could only suggest one person - a man who lived nearby.

A witness statement by the foster nanna, one of the last two people to see William alive, has been released by the inquest investigating the boy's disappearance.

'I can't think of anyone who would want to harm William,' she told police in the statement, dated two days after the boy disappeared.

'I was asked this question initially by Wendy Hudson (a police woman who lives in Kendall) and I suggested Peter across the road, (as he keeps odd hours and lives alone),' the inquest document said.

The statement was tendered to the inquest on March 25 and released on Tuesday following an application to the Coroner's Court by Daily Mail Australia.

The foster gran, whose home William disappeared from on September 12, 2014, told police her other theory was that the boy may have walked down a nearby highway with 'lots of traffic moving back and forth'.

The woman, who was 81 at the time of William's disappearance, described the him as 'full of beans ... jumping out of his skin with energy' that morning.”

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Behind a paywall.

Forensic focus turns to garage; former Tyrrell detective slams 'wasted time' claims

Says they will be using specialist subterranean equipment today, 18th November,
Item found yesterday 17th sent off to FASS (Forensic and Analytical Science Service)
Says this is the item that was not a match for the spiderman suit.
Current home owner is working with the team to allow full access to the property.

 

[bearbear]

I thought it was a detective Vanessa Patridge. IIRC, after the 1st day police were reporting back to the station that they thought something more sinister had taken place and she arrived on scene for the 1st time the following morning. When Michael Usher interviewed her on 60 minutes, her 1st thoughts were, "William's not missing", which she repeated that phrase and didn't clarify what she meant by it and it has always stood out to me, cause it was so profound, cause he is missing. One thing I've noticed about police is sometimes they mean exactly what they say and other people put there own inference on that. If he wasn't missing to the person who had reported him missing, then that person, it would logically follow, would know where he is. IMO

Another example of police literally saying what they mean was 1st responder Chris Rowley in the same program. He met the FF for the 1st time at the house, even though we were all under the impression that he was out looking for WT. I know that I thought, surely they mean in a general sense, like around the property, outside, but it was later confirmed in other media that Chris Rowley 1st encountered FF coming out of the bathroom at the house crying.

yes! thats it! thank you!! been trying to find it on my phone!

 

[missepic]

yes! thats it! thank you!! been trying to find it on my phone!

is there a video for this interview anywhere? i cant find it

 

[katydid23]

The word "I" used 9 times by FM by my count and the name "William" mentioned once.

But she used the words 'he' and 'him' a few dozen times. And when she used I, it was in combination with 'him.'

' I couldn't hear him, I couldn't see him anywhere. ' 'I was clutching at anywhere - would he get through that? Would he climb through that?'

They were asking her to explain what happened from her point of view that day. So using 'I makes sense. She cannot tell us what William was seeing or hearing.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Can anyone point me in the direction where local police officer at the time, Wendy Hudson, said as far as she knew, the FGM's vehicle wasn't forensically tested or even checked over?

 

[silverau]

At the coronial inquest, Wendy Hudson, one of the first police respondents at 48 Beneroon drive was asked if the FGM car had been examined - she said, 'not to her knowledge'.

Which makes me wonder the source cited for CO's claim in her book.


Or perhaps Wendy Hudson wasn't informed of any subsequent forensics?

 

[silverau]

It's either a red flag or incredibly unfortunate that the time on the digital camera was adjusted for the morning WT disappeared. I may have missed it, but do LE know if someone adjusted the time before or after WT went missing?

Its a good question actually.

And if adjusted, when? Just after she took the photo? When she says she went inside and neglected to make mention that was an activity she did (the camera) or when she was asked for a recent photo of William for investigators? (Latter is more reasonable IMO)

I'd also like to know if it was JUST that photo with the time adjusted in the sequence of patio photos or if all in the sequence were adjusted.

 

[katydid23]

I take Jubelin's word for it. If he said in his published book, that FGM's car was forensically examined and the Foster parents had their phones and computers examined, then I believe him. I don't think he would put that in the book if it was untrue. JMO

Great Expectations posted upthread:

And yet in CO's book "Missing William Tyrrell" page 97 it states that "There had been forensic testing of William's foster nana's car, and of the new four wheel drive. His foster parents had surrendered computers and phones for forensic testing too. "

And in the paragraph prior, " A crime scene officer...had gained consent from William's foster nana to conduct a forensic search of her house, three days after William disappeared"

 

[iiiii's]

is there a video for this interview anywhere? i cant find it

 

[JLZ]

I'm guessing, FM had L enrolled in a pony club near their home in North Sydney, where L may have fallen within the week of the avo application, which accounts for bruises.
Imo, the FM has offered this explanation, we can take it or leave it, but rest assured the police will follow this up hence the charges for alleged assault by FPs.

I think they're offering it as a possible, not as the definitive, explanation.

They have now brought in lawyers and intend to fight the charges, claiming the alleged injuries could have come from a fall from a horse, The Australian revealed.
William Tyrrell: Inside 96 minutes which could hold answer what REALLY happened to missing toddler | Daily Mail Online , BBM.

I'm sure my parents wouldn't have been able to explain my abundant bruises when I was 11 years old. In this case it seems the parents are being asked for an explanation of bruises they're first hearing about after the child has been removed. It's a fishing expedition.