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I am concerned with combination of the Arizona heat, and the fact that under those jeans he is wearing Long Johns, he will lose more water by sweating more. The long sleeve, jeans and boots will help protect him some, but the long johns (especially if hand made woolies) will really take it out of him fast. I fear for him at this point. Does anyone know if children are more or less resilient without water then an adult? I can not find anything on it...IMHO
I made the same honest mistake - not knowing much about FLDS and their views on things like technology. I think it's their "Little House on the Prairie" attire that made me think they might have similar views as the Amish.
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Thanks. I think I had the definition of sect wrong, or more likely I was once again confused. But if I'm understanding you correctly - FLDS is a sect of Mormonism like WBC is a sect of Christianity. The larger, organized religion doesn't recognize them, they are merely offshoots or formed after schisms.
What does all this have to do with Jerold?
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Sorry if someone has already posted this, but I hadn't seen this new photo of Jerold and a new release by the sheriffs office.
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https://www.facebook.com/CoconinoSheriff/posts/1066526120039237
It seems that they revised the time he was last seen from 1:30 to 2:30.
Have the family even been confirmed to be FLDS?
400 volunteers going shoulder to shoulder is not nearly enough to cover the large area that needs to be searched.
I thought they were having hail storms and mud slides today.
On another note - Today is 3 days into the search for Jarold. At this point in the search for DeOrr Kunz Jr, his dad was praising SAR and speaking in depth of the operation to find his son. I wonder if we will hear from Jarold's mom/parents. It must be difficult to remain optimistic. I don't know if there was a scanner thread for DeOrr where people followed the first few days of that search but it has to be so hard finding a shoe print and possibly hearing a child's yells and not being able to locate him.
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I can't believe he hasn't been found yet.
I thought they were having hail storms and mud slides today.
On another note - Today is 3 days into the search for Jarold. At this point in the search for DeOrr Kunz Jr, his dad was praising SAR and speaking in depth of the operation to find his son. I wonder if we will hear from Jarold's mom/parents. It must be difficult to remain optimistic. I don't know if there was a scanner thread for DeOrr where people followed the first few days of that search but it has to be so hard finding a shoe print and possibly hearing a child's yells and not being able to locate him.
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Thank you for your no-nonesense/good sense posts. You ought to join a SAR unit. Does anyone know if there are statistics on how often SAR teams are successful on the searches they do? In other words, what is their "find" rate?
Some parents aren't as diligent as you. Doesn't mean they're bad parents or that it is impossible for a child to go missing in their care. And sometimes really bad things happen to the most diligent parents who might have super bad luck one tragic time.
They are using some citizens. Have you called and put your name on the list?
I would think, with the heat, that Jerold would've taken some of those layers of clothes off. I wonder if anything has been found yet?
So far they have found two pieces of trace evidence to my knowledge. They found a shoe print with a star shape in the heel on 8/7. Jerolds mother confirmed that the shoes he was wearing had a star shape embedded in the heel of the shoe.
Yesterday, 8/9, a searcher called in something else that was found within a few hundred feet of the shoeprint previously found. To my knowledge, what that item was never was identified over the public airways.
There was vague chatter about something having to do with water, such as a water bottle or something that could hold water....but nothing definitive was ever put out over the airwaves.
Below is a map I made up showing the locations of these events. You can zoom in and out with the center wheel on your mouse for closer views. You can highlight the items in the menu to the left and read the descriptions. You can also scroll over the different items on the map for a description.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zAAmDUXJe_aE.kcsOUmM2GJ3A&usp=sharing
How far from the campsite were those two items?
I've seen kids throw off clothes at much lower temperatures, especially if they are active.
12 miles
12 as in... twelve?
Yes....they found the tracks about 36 hours after he disappeared. This kid was walking and moving........trying to find his way back home.
The average adult walks at the pace of about 3 miles per hour, so in 4 hours, you could walk 12 miles.
He walked through the forest for 36 hours.....and went 12 miles. Makes sense.
Don't forget, the first night he was lost, he may have wandered aimlessly all night long. He may have had enough moonlight to follow a dirt road or a fire service road for miles.
We'll keep you and use your brain right here.No, I live 200 miles to the east, I don't know the area, and I don't know the trails in the area. They don't need me searching, they need people searching that know the area like the back of their hand. Ranchers, hunters, locals, hunting guides, indians.........anybody that has lived and played there for 20 years. That's who should be searching for this kid. These are people that know the backroads, the game trails, the logging roads and the shortcuts.
Those locals have been cut out of it, because they didn't sign up and "train" to be on a SAR team. Why would they sign up ? They don't want to be hero's, they just live around there.
The locals have been replaced by "trained" search teams that are totally unfamiliar with the search area. Uh-huh.
Disgraceful.......and it may cost this kid his life.
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